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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 20:57:39 GMT -6
How many 2-out RBI have they given up to the Orioles? I swear they’re a World Series contender.
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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2021 20:59:06 GMT -6
How about a HR, guys?
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 21:09:48 GMT -6
It’s like when the Astros had zero clutch ability at home against the Nats but worse.
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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2021 21:09:53 GMT -6
I'm sorry but Maldonado just isn't that good. He has a great arm but the way they're hyping him up drives me crazy.
I know plenty of people don't like WAR, but he's literally a 0 WAR player.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 21:11:20 GMT -6
I'm sorry but Maldonado just isn't that good. He has a great arm but the way they're hyping him up drives me crazy. I know plenty of people don't like WAR, but he's literally a 0 WAR player. And pretty much all of us here are faster.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 21:15:27 GMT -6
Just lose. Being a bunch of quitters now.
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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2021 21:22:55 GMT -6
Well that's game.
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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2021 21:23:17 GMT -6
And honestly, it never felt like a game we were going to win.
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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2021 21:26:16 GMT -6
What does a pitching change matter now, Dusty? You're just slowing the f*cking game down.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2021 21:32:49 GMT -6
What does a pitching change matter now, Dusty? You're just slowing the f*cking game down. In Dusty's defense, he doesn't have a lot of options. The injury to Urquidy screwed up this whole game. Our shitty bullpen plus pathetic hitting and we see the results. We are about to lose a home series to the worst team in the league. It is amazing how the hottest team can sweep the last home stand, go 5-2 on the road, and, then come home to suck. Orioles up 9-3. To be honest, they look like they don't give a shit. Click's great off season work on building this bullpen is really showing. Bottom of seven, Rangers lead A's 3-2.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 21:41:29 GMT -6
What planet am I on? Todd mad at Dusty? Corch defending him?
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2021 21:53:08 GMT -6
What planet am I on? Todd mad at Dusty? Corch defending him? The guy we should be mad at is Click. He's idiot who stuck us with this bullpen. It's so bad now, Robel Garcia is pitching the 9th and has given up a pair of two run homers. We trail 13-3. This is a damn joke. We don't go to the playoffs with this garbage.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 22:02:58 GMT -6
What planet am I on? Todd mad at Dusty? Corch defending him? The guy we should be mad at is Click. He's idiot who stuck us with this bullpen. It's so bad now, Robel Garcia is pitching the 9th and has given up a pair of two run homers. We trail 13-3. This is a damn joke. We don't go to the playoffs with this garbage. Garcia did better than Stanek.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 22:05:23 GMT -6
After the garbage pitching of Stanek, they pinned the loss on poor Garza.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2021 22:06:34 GMT -6
The guy we should be mad at is Click. He's idiot who stuck us with this bullpen. It's so bad now, Robel Garcia is pitching the 9th and has given up a pair of two run homers. We trail 13-3. This is a damn joke. We don't go to the playoffs with this garbage. Garcia did better than Stanek. Yes. We didn't expect Garcia to be any good, but, Stanek stunk up the ballpark. They will have to make a couple of roster moves to bring up different shitty relievers for tomorrow. I said Click is a terrible GM before the season started and I've seen nothing to change my mind. We lose Luhnow and Hinch and end up with shit like Click and Baker.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2021 22:08:14 GMT -6
On a brighter note, Solak homers in the top of the 9th and the Rangers lead the A's 5-2.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2021 22:24:40 GMT -6
Rangers beat the A's 5-4 so they don't gain on us.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2021 22:54:26 GMT -6
This team needs multiple relievers. Whatever goes on in the minors, good or bad, doesn’t convince me. Bielak was on par with Javier in the minors and look at him now. Paredes and Abreu were great in AAA too.
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Post by m240 on Jun 30, 2021 6:09:46 GMT -6
Helter skelter
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 30, 2021 7:06:21 GMT -6
The Astros are hurting the Orioles' chances of getting the #1 draft pick next June.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 30, 2021 8:12:19 GMT -6
What planet am I on? Todd mad at Dusty? Corch defending him? The guy we should be mad at is Click. He's idiot who stuck us with this bullpen. It's so bad now, Robel Garcia is pitching the 9th and has given up a pair of two run homers. We trail 13-3. This is a damn joke. We don't go to the playoffs with this garbage. How many times do we have to go over this, there was really nothing available in the offseason, as far as relievers. He signed two of them. One hasn't played yet, And the other one, some nights is good and some nights not so good. Most of top available relievers in the offseason, are either hurt right now or sucking.... So I know it's easy to say he didn't do enough, but can you explain how you would have done better? He can be judged at the trade deadline, to see if he's going to help the team out in the bullpen.
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2021 8:27:18 GMT -6
What planet am I on? Todd mad at Dusty? Corch defending him? Actually I wasn't mad at Dusty, it just seemed like a useless pitching change at that time. Already down by 6 and we're going to make a move with 2 outs in the inning? Just get the crapfest over with. I'm mad at the offense suddenly completely failing with RISP, and I'm worried we're going to lose Urquidy for a long period. I'm not actually not upset at the bullpen. We know they struggle when they get heavily used and they're very poor when thrown for a loop like yesterday (and Dusty isn't great at managing that either). Most bullpens have the same problem. If Urquidy doesn't get hurt, I don't think we see the issues we saw yesterday.
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2021 8:36:47 GMT -6
The bullpen does fine in most normal games (the starter goes 6-7 innings). They're just absolutely horrible when they have to come in super early unless we have a Javier available since he is the only reliever shown to be decent in a long relief role. We don't have another good long reliever. Most teams don't have multiple good long relievers.
Baez being hurt really screwed up their plans for the bullpen. I also think they expected to be using Garcia as a reliever, but he's been so good as a starter you can't demote him.
On the plus side, Scrubb did a good job yesterday. If the offense could have gotten them a lead earlier, I think we would have seen a different game.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2021 9:01:06 GMT -6
The guy we should be mad at is Click. He's idiot who stuck us with this bullpen. It's so bad now, Robel Garcia is pitching the 9th and has given up a pair of two run homers. We trail 13-3. This is a damn joke. We don't go to the playoffs with this garbage. How many times do we have to go over this, there was really nothing available in the offseason, as far as relievers. He signed two of them. One hasn't played yet, And the other one, some nights is good and some nights not so good. Most of top available relievers in the offseason, are either hurt right now or sucking.... So I know it's easy to say he didn't do enough, but can you explain how you would have done better? He can be judged at the trade deadline, to see if he's going to help the team out in the bullpen. There had to be something available better than the garbage we have. I am not supposed to be a GM, but, since Click basically did nothing, none of us could have done less. He signed one clown that was released in ST, Baez who has yet to throw a pitch, and Stanek, who you never know what you are going to get. Honestly, I don't know what we have to offer that will get us much help at the deadline without giving up top prospects. I'm not trading Korey Lee or Leon for a reliever.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2021 9:05:28 GMT -6
The bullpen does fine in most normal games (the starter goes 6-7 innings). They're just absolutely horrible when they have to come in super early unless we have a Javier available since he is the only reliever shown to be decent in a long relief role. We don't have another good long reliever. Most teams don't have multiple good long relievers. Baez being hurt really screwed up their plans for the bullpen. I also think they expected to be using Garcia as a reliever, but he's been so good as a starter you can't demote him. On the plus side, Scrubb did a good job yesterday. If the offense could have gotten them a lead earlier, I think we would have seen a different game. The disaster we witnessed last night began with Urquidy having to leave in the second inning. You are right in that our pen does fairly well when the starter goes 6-7 innings. Normally, we would get that from Urquidy, but, when he left that early and we had to bring in Scrubb, Raley, Taylor, and Garza to bridge the gap we have problems. We didn't expect Stanek to come in an throw BP, but, he took us out of the game. Scrubb looked good so maybe that is a good sign. Maybe getting a healthy Abreu back soon will help, but, he often has control problems. Another problems in the last 7 days is Jose and Brantley are a combined 7-39. The top of the order is not getting it done. The middle and bottom are producing most of our offens.e
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2021 9:15:18 GMT -6
The bullpen does fine in most normal games (the starter goes 6-7 innings). They're just absolutely horrible when they have to come in super early unless we have a Javier available since he is the only reliever shown to be decent in a long relief role. We don't have another good long reliever. Most teams don't have multiple good long relievers. Baez being hurt really screwed up their plans for the bullpen. I also think they expected to be using Garcia as a reliever, but he's been so good as a starter you can't demote him. On the plus side, Scrubb did a good job yesterday. If the offense could have gotten them a lead earlier, I think we would have seen a different game. The disaster we witnessed last night began with Urquidy having to leave in the second inning. You are right in that our pen does fairly well when the starter goes 6-7 innings. Normally, we would get that from Urquidy, but, when he left that early and we had to bring in Scrubb, Raley, Taylor, and Garza to bridge the gap we have problems. We didn't expect Stanek to come in an throw BP, but, he took us out of the game. Scrubb looked good so maybe that is a good sign. Maybe getting a healthy Abreu back soon will help, but, he often has control problems. Another problems in the last 7 days is Jose and Brantley are a combined 7-39. The top of the order is not getting it done. The middle and bottom are producing most of our offens.e Until the bases loaded double by Stanek, the bullpen had actually done a pretty good job given the situation. Only one of Raley's runs was earned. Not having a reliable bridge to Pressly is our main issue. Baez was supposed to fill that role.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 30, 2021 9:16:42 GMT -6
The bullpen does fine in most normal games (the starter goes 6-7 innings). They're just absolutely horrible when they have to come in super early unless we have a Javier available since he is the only reliever shown to be decent in a long relief role. We don't have another good long reliever. Most teams don't have multiple good long relievers. Baez being hurt really screwed up their plans for the bullpen. I also think they expected to be using Garcia as a reliever, but he's been so good as a starter you can't demote him. On the plus side, Scrubb did a good job yesterday. If the offense could have gotten them a lead earlier, I think we would have seen a different game. The disaster we witnessed last night began with Urquidy having to leave in the second inning. You are right in that our pen does fairly well when the starter goes 6-7 innings. Normally, we would get that from Urquidy, but, when he left that early and we had to bring in Scrubb, Raley, Taylor, and Garza to bridge the gap we have problems. We didn't expect Stanek to come in an throw BP, but, he took us out of the game. Scrubb looked good so maybe that is a good sign. Maybe getting a healthy Abreu back soon will help, but, he often has control problems. Another problems in the last 7 days is Jose and Brantley are a combined 7-39. The top of the order is not getting it done. The middle and bottom are producing most of our offens.e There was nothing to sign...The ones that you and I liked got hurt early and will not pitch this season. Therefore, blaming Click for not getting done in the OS is wrong and tiresome. Now, he has a job to do. He needs to get two relievers before the deadline. It won't come at the expense of Leon, hopefully not Lee as well
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2021 9:27:31 GMT -6
Brantley was never going to maintain a .350 AVG, and Yuli likely not with .330 either. Some of that was bound to come back to Earth, just like Altuve wasn't going to keep hitting HRs at a 40+ pace.
They're getting plenty of guys on base with Correa, Yuli, and Altuve showing some of the best walk rates of their career, but they've just struggled to get big hits. We saw Jose hit a couple hard balls for outs with runners on, and Tucker smoked some as well. It's just a combination of some things balancing out and some bad luck.
In theory, if the guys keep hitting the ball hard and getting lots of men on base, the offense will improve again and pick up again quickly.
Some plus sides:
I like that we saw them trying to be more aggressive on the basepaths (everything but Maldanado getting thrown out at 2nd). Altuve is actually 3/4 in SBs this year. I'm hoping we see him pick it back up again as long as he chooses the right times to attempt.
Straw keeps getting on base very well.
Toro had a good game.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2021 9:27:33 GMT -6
The disaster we witnessed last night began with Urquidy having to leave in the second inning. You are right in that our pen does fairly well when the starter goes 6-7 innings. Normally, we would get that from Urquidy, but, when he left that early and we had to bring in Scrubb, Raley, Taylor, and Garza to bridge the gap we have problems. We didn't expect Stanek to come in an throw BP, but, he took us out of the game. Scrubb looked good so maybe that is a good sign. Maybe getting a healthy Abreu back soon will help, but, he often has control problems. Another problems in the last 7 days is Jose and Brantley are a combined 7-39. The top of the order is not getting it done. The middle and bottom are producing most of our offens.e There was nothing to sign...The ones that you and I liked got hurt early and will not pitch this season. Therefore, blaming Click for not getting done in the OS is wrong and tiresome. Now, he has a job to do. He needs to get two relievers before the deadline. It won't come at the expense of Leon, hopefully not Lee as well After going back and looking, you are right. The pickins' were slim in the relief department. We do need two relievers before the deadline. It will be interesting to see how he goes about getting them.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 30, 2021 9:29:06 GMT -6
The bullpen does fine in most normal games (the starter goes 6-7 innings). They're just absolutely horrible when they have to come in super early unless we have a Javier available since he is the only reliever shown to be decent in a long relief role. That’s because our bullpen sucks.
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