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Post by Saint on Oct 28, 2020 14:57:29 GMT -6
The only disadvantage with Altuve out there is his arm would be like Johnny Damon or Juan Pierre. Baserunners would have a field day. Then again, none of our outfield arms this season kept anyone from taking extra bases. He'd be fine at home with his arm. I don't think he actually has a bad arm. I think sometimes he tries flipping the ball with too quick a release rather than actually getting his body behind the throw. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 28, 2020 14:58:09 GMT -6
The only disadvantage with Altuve out there is his arm would be like Johnny Damon or Juan Pierre. Baserunners would have a field day. Then again, none of our outfield arms this season kept anyone from taking extra bases. What about Correa to LF Bregman to SS move Gurriel to 3B trade for Josh Bell?  ? Correa is too good defensively at SS. You cut his value in half by moving him to LF. No way. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Oct 28, 2020 15:01:41 GMT -6
What about Correa to LF Bregman to SS move Gurriel to 3B trade for Josh Bell? ? Correa is too good defensively at SS. You cut his value in half by moving him to LF. No way. Has the arm |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 28, 2020 15:04:51 GMT -6
I have a feeling that we'll be disappointed in this offseason. I honestly don't expect any big names at all (including Springer and Brantley), and I think any medium level name will likely come as a relief pitcher. I wouldn't be surprised to see our starting OF as Straw, Tucker, Yordan/Diaz/Stubbs/Prospect. Or, if Altuve can't get his throwing in order, move him to LF and let Diaz be the regular 2B. I think if Click has a poor offseason like that, Dusty would move Correa to LF and start Toro at 3B
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Post by Saint on Oct 28, 2020 15:05:43 GMT -6
Correa is too good defensively at SS. You cut his value in half by moving him to LF. No way. Has the arm Sure, but not worth it. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 28, 2020 15:06:13 GMT -6
I have a feeling that we'll be disappointed in this offseason. I honestly don't expect any big names at all (including Springer and Brantley), and I think any medium level name will likely come as a relief pitcher. I wouldn't be surprised to see our starting OF as Straw, Tucker, Yordan/Diaz/Stubbs/Prospect. Or, if Altuve can't get his throwing in order, move him to LF and let Diaz be the regular 2B. I think if Click has a poor offseason like that, Dusty would move Correa to LF and start Toro at 3B
If/when he wins the GG this year, they won't move him to LF. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 28, 2020 15:07:57 GMT -6
The Rangers declined Kluber's option...would anybody take the gamble?
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 28, 2020 15:11:00 GMT -6
I think if Click has a poor offseason like that, Dusty would move Correa to LF and start Toro at 3B
If/when he wins the GG this year, they won't move him to LF. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 28, 2020 15:12:39 GMT -6
If/when he wins the GG this year, they won't move him to LF. I know but I just don't think there is a chance they would move him from SS at this point in time. I would think he would have more trade value as a SS than a LFer if it came to that next year also. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 28, 2020 15:22:51 GMT -6
It'd be a desperate situation if we couldn't even get Profar
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 28, 2020 15:24:52 GMT -6
The only disadvantage with Altuve out there is his arm would be like Johnny Damon or Juan Pierre. Baserunners would have a field day. Then again, none of our outfield arms this season kept anyone from taking extra bases. What about Correa to LF Bregman to SS move Gurriel to 3B trade for Josh Bell? ? That weakens the infield defense because Gurriel is not an impressive 3B from what I’ve seen, and his range is fairly limited. Plus, Correa’s defense was improved this past season. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 28, 2020 15:25:51 GMT -6
The Rangers declined Kluber's option...would anybody take the gamble? Run it back with the Luhnow “low velo” approach! |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Oct 28, 2020 15:29:20 GMT -6
The Rangers declined Kluber's option...would anybody take the gamble? With options yes. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 29, 2020 7:24:42 GMT -6
I'm ready for Astros to change some of the personnel, to get much needed prospects.
Looking at 2021 this is definitely looks not to be the same team of old.
Verlander and Osuna Will not be pitching. Springer is signing elsewhere. I'm guessing Brantley the same. Reddick should be gone. Add on top of that last year's departures of Cole and Harris, abd the year before, Morton; therefore, I think it's time to retool / regroup..... Make some trades and hopefully get some great low-cost signings.
Trade Greinke, McCullers and Correa. I think all of these three would be playing somewhere else after next season anyway. If the Astros are not going to be true contenders this year, might as well get compensation for these players now.
The great thing is if we don't do well this season, the Astros draft pick punishment is over.
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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2020 7:33:04 GMT -6
I'm ready for Astros to change some of the personnel, to get much needed prospects. Looking at 2021 this is definitely looks not to be the same team of old. Verlander and Osuna Will not be pitching. Springer is signing elsewhere. I'm guessing Brantley the same. Reddick should be gone. Add on top of that last year's departures of Cole and Harris, abd the year before, Morton; therefore, I think it's time to retool / regroup..... Make some trades and hopefully get some great low-cost signings. Trade Greinke, McCullers and Correa. I think all of these three would be playing somewhere else after next season anyway. If the Astros are not going to be true contenders this year, might as well get compensation for these players now. The great thing is if we don't do well this season, the Astros draft pick punishment is over. I think we should wait and see how the team is looking come the trade deadline next season. We have plenty of tools to be a good team if we make a few solid moves. Offer Brantley and Springer QOs. Go get a couple reasonable OFers and a veteran pitcher for some depth. Go after one more deep postseason run while we still have the guys you mentioned. Then, if we stink once we're a couple months in, make some trades and go the route you're thinking. If we're borderline, just go with what we got and hope for the best and then make some more QOs next offseason and re-tool. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 29, 2020 8:04:26 GMT -6
I think you all need to realize that a QO doesn’t necessarily guarantee a compensatory draft pick (see: Keuchel, Dallas).
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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2020 8:08:03 GMT -6
I think you all need to realize that a QO doesn’t necessarily guarantee a compensatory draft pick (see: Keuchel, Dallas). It's still rare that it doesn't. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 29, 2020 9:21:01 GMT -6
I'm ready for Astros to change some of the personnel, to get much needed prospects. Looking at 2021 this is definitely looks not to be the same team of old. Verlander and Osuna Will not be pitching. Springer is signing elsewhere. I'm guessing Brantley the same. Reddick should be gone. Add on top of that last year's departures of Cole and Harris, abd the year before, Morton; therefore, I think it's time to retool / regroup..... Make some trades and hopefully get some great low-cost signings. Trade Greinke, McCullers and Correa. I think all of these three would be playing somewhere else after next season anyway. If the Astros are not going to be true contenders this year, might as well get compensation for these players now. The great thing is if we don't do well this season, the Astros draft pick punishment is over. I think we should wait and see how the team is looking come the trade deadline next season. We have plenty of tools to be a good team if we make a few solid moves. Offer Brantley and Springer QOs. Go get a couple reasonable OFers and a veteran pitcher for some depth. Go after one more deep postseason run while we still have the guys you mentioned. Then, if we stink once we're a couple months in, make some trades and go the route you're thinking. If we're borderline, just go with what we got and hope for the best and then make some more QOs next offseason and re-tool. so long as we can get equal value at the trading deadline as opposed to trading for the season begins I'm all for it. I just truly believe the Astros overachieved in the postseason last year... With Verlander and Osuna not going to pitch again this year, plus key departures of at least Springer, I see it as time to trade away the ones you're not wanting to or not a a decent probability of re-signing |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 29, 2020 10:13:53 GMT -6
I think you all need to realize that a QO doesn’t necessarily guarantee a compensatory draft pick (see: Keuchel, Dallas). But not making the QO does guarantee that you won't get a compensatory draft pick. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 29, 2020 10:41:56 GMT -6
I think you all need to realize that a QO doesn’t necessarily guarantee a compensatory draft pick (see: Keuchel, Dallas). But not making the QO does guarantee that you won't get a compensatory draft pick. True, but generally if the player is good enough to get a QO, they stand to get signed by another team. Keuchel was trending down, so teams just waited until midseason, when the draft pick compensation period expired, to sign him. In Dallas' case: The juice was not worth the squeeze |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 29, 2020 12:16:35 GMT -6
But not making the QO does guarantee that you won't get a compensatory draft pick. True, but generally if the player is good enough to get a QO, they stand to get signed by another team. Keuchel was trending down, so teams just waited until midseason, when the draft pick compensation period expired, to sign him. In Dallas' case: The juice was not worth the squeeze Did it cost the astros a cent? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2020 12:19:57 GMT -6
I think we should wait and see how the team is looking come the trade deadline next season. We have plenty of tools to be a good team if we make a few solid moves. Offer Brantley and Springer QOs. Go get a couple reasonable OFers and a veteran pitcher for some depth. Go after one more deep postseason run while we still have the guys you mentioned. Then, if we stink once we're a couple months in, make some trades and go the route you're thinking. If we're borderline, just go with what we got and hope for the best and then make some more QOs next offseason and re-tool. so long as we can get equal value at the trading deadline as opposed to trading for the season begins I'm all for it. I just truly believe the Astros overachieved in the postseason last year... With Verlander and Osuna not going to pitch again this year, plus key departures of at least Springer, I see it as time to trade away the ones you're not wanting to or not a a decent probability of re-signing Normally I would agree, but I feel like we still have too many good players that I hate to see them give up. And we can call it what we want, but it would be mostly giving up. Even with the turnover, we still have 6 potential all-star caliber offensive players if they bounce back the way we expect. There is every reason to believe that Bregman, Altuve, and Correa could be battling each other for an MVP award next year. All are still in their primes. There aren't many teams that can say that, and then you add in guys like Yordan and Tucker who have tons of potential. Bregman Altuve Yordan Tucker Correa Gurriel And then our pitching, even without JV and Osuna, ended up being more than effective. If we can strengthen the OF and add a vet or two to the pitching staff, we still have as good a chance as we did this year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 29, 2020 12:20:58 GMT -6
I think you all need to realize that a QO doesn’t necessarily guarantee a compensatory draft pick (see: Keuchel, Dallas). But not making the QO does guarantee that you won't get a compensatory draft pick. I know. I’m just saying that nothing is guaranteed. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 29, 2020 12:23:45 GMT -6
But not making the QO does guarantee that you won't get a compensatory draft pick. I know. I’m just saying that nothing is guaranteed. I've seen Bortaz make a spelling and grammar mistake before, JS. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2020 12:26:45 GMT -6
If it came to free agency or QOs next year, it should be pretty easy decisions:
1. Correa gets a QO. He'll make more elsewhere if we can't keep him and we'll get a pick.
2. If Greinke is good we give him the QO. Either he leaves and we get a pick, he leaves and pulls a Keuchel and we don't lose anything, or he stays with us and we have another year of him. If he sucks during the year, we don't have to make him an offer and again we lose nothing.
3. Same thing with McCullers, although he'll likely get a multi-year offer from another team due to his youth unless he absolutely craters next year.
4. Springer gets a QO. No brainer.
5. Brantley gets a QO. Either we get a pick (because someone WILL sign him to another 2-year deal), or he stays with us for another year (albeit, maybe a little expensive for one year for him).
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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2020 12:40:41 GMT -6
The Astros hire 71 year old Dusty Baker!
White Sox: Hold my beer.
"Indeed, ESPN’s Jeff Passan tweets that the move to hire La Russa was purely a “Reinsdorf decision” while noting that others in the organizations “have concerns” about La Russa’s ability (or lack thereof) to connect with the club’s young core."
It does seem like a bit of a strange fit. A super old white guy (who is very old school) with a team full of mostly young Latin players. Does LaRussa speak Spanish?
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 29, 2020 12:54:43 GMT -6
We need to claim Hand for the bullpen.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Oct 29, 2020 13:39:46 GMT -6
We need to claim Hand for the bullpen. Agree I've always liked hand as a closer |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 29, 2020 13:41:07 GMT -6
We need to claim Hand for the bullpen. If they take him back, who could we trade to get him from the Indians? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 29, 2020 13:42:00 GMT -6
Is LaRussa just bored or something?
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