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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 18, 2021 6:41:24 GMT -6
I will, when he accepts a contract that equals his performance. Do you support the other players being paid according to what they currently contribute to the team's success? That's a strawman argument, son. I support paying them the contract the team and player agreed to. |
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Post by koolade2 on Aug 18, 2021 7:49:57 GMT -6
^^^^ This, Now you can argue that maybe that was too much but if the Team and player agree then they should be paid that. I will admit I have never been a Hughe Fan of Correa and the number they are talking about if I was GM I certainly would have second thoughts on if he should be one of the highest-paid players when his numbers don't reflect that.
Yes, his defense is superb but that is only half the show as some in here have argued on players in the past.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 18, 2021 9:27:18 GMT -6
Do you support the other players being paid according to what they currently contribute to the team's success? That's a strawman argument, son. I support paying them the contract the team and player agreed to. I do, too. But, we should expect the player to produce at the level for which he is being paid. Right now, our lowest paid guys seem to be putting most of the runs on the board. I don't think Correa can expect to get a contract that he wants unless his overall production picks up. His defense is elite, but, we can't pay him $30million a year strictly for his defense. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 18, 2021 9:30:57 GMT -6
^^^^ This, Now you can argue that maybe that was too much but if the Team and player agree then they should be paid that. I will admit I have never been a Hughe Fan of Correa and the number they are talking about if I was GM I certainly would have second thoughts on if he should be one of the highest-paid players when his numbers don't reflect that. Yes, his defense is superb but that is only half the show as some in here have argued on players in the past. I haven't always been a big Correa fan, either. I started to change my mind due to the leadership I saw from him last season, especially in the post season. Before he was out with the "illness"......whatever it was......he was putting up some pretty good numbers. Since then, he has been awful. The first time Tucker went into this health and safety protocol bullshit, it took him over a week to get going again. He was hot when he went out this time, too. The club should be trying to find out why Tucker is the guy who keeps having this problem. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 18, 2021 9:56:09 GMT -6
I don’t know how many damn stars this lineup needs to beat these garbage teams. They should do well enough without Bregman and Tucker to sweep the Royals.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 19, 2021 7:26:01 GMT -6
That's a strawman argument, son. I support paying them the contract the team and player agreed to. I do, too. But, we should expect the player to produce at the level for which he is being paid. Right now, our lowest paid guys seem to be putting most of the runs on the board. I don't think Correa can expect to get a contract that he wants unless his overall production picks up. His defense is elite, but, we can't pay him $30million a year strictly for his defense. That sounds reasonable on the surface, but it doesn't take much of a closer look to discover that it's literally a fallacy. Unless of course, you change "should expect" to "can hope". To begin with, the indentured servants (pre-arb players) are paid minimum wage (half a mill) and in some cases a pittance to acknowledge better performance. You can often see them producing at a FAR greater rate than what they are being paid. Arb players are generally paid about half of what their past performance would get a Free Agent. So again, it's likely you'll get more value per dollar for them. But in some cases, they will produce less than what you pay for. Now let's get down to brass tacks. Free agent salaries are based on past performance and whatever the market will bear. So by doing some simple mathematical substitution based on truth, we can easily dispel the fallacy of "expectations". Since FA salaries are largely based on past performance, and ... Truth: Past performance does NOT guarantee future results, We should NOT "expect the player to produce at the level for which he is being paid."We can hope for it, but we can't expect it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 19, 2021 9:26:06 GMT -6
I do, too. But, we should expect the player to produce at the level for which he is being paid. Right now, our lowest paid guys seem to be putting most of the runs on the board. I don't think Correa can expect to get a contract that he wants unless his overall production picks up. His defense is elite, but, we can't pay him $30million a year strictly for his defense. That sounds reasonable on the surface, but it doesn't take much of a closer look to discover that it's literally a fallacy. Unless of course, you change "should expect" to "can hope". To begin with, the indentured servants (pre-arb players) are paid minimum wage (half a mill) and in some cases a pittance to acknowledge better performance. You can often see them producing at a FAR greater rate than what they are being paid. Arb players are generally paid about half of what their past performance would get a Free Agent. So again, it's likely you'll get more value per dollar for them. But in some cases, they will produce less than what you pay for. Now let's get down to brass tacks. Free agent salaries are based on past performance and whatever the market will bear. So by doing some simple mathematical substitution based on truth, we can easily dispel the fallacy of "expectations". Since FA salaries are largely based on past performance, and ... Truth: Past performance does NOT guarantee future results, We should NOT "expect the player to produce at the level for which he is being paid."We can hope for it, but we can't expect it. Unfortunately, what we see all too often are players who sign big money, multi-year contracts after working hard to earn them, and, then get satisfied that they have the money locked up and there is a steady decline in production. We gave Richard Hidalgo as huge contract after a career year and he sucked after getting it and was out of baseball within a couple of years. There are countless examples of players signed by many teams who have done the same thing. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 28, 2021 9:43:20 GMT -6
Brantley was your Player of the Game. A very close second was Correa. I’m pretty sure there may not have been another shortstop with the arm to end the game. He was also robbed of an assist at home on replay (like Chas in KC). I hope he comes back next season. With Springer there was the age excuse. Correa hasn’t hit his prime yet.
Pressly needs to do better. He can’t be missing his spots as badly as the young relievers. Correa bailed him out big time.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 28, 2021 10:04:07 GMT -6
Brantley was your Player of the Game. A very close second was Correa. I’m pretty sure there may not have been another shortstop with the arm to end the game. He was also robbed of an assist at home on replay (like Chas in KC). I hope he comes back next season. With Springer there was the age excuse. Correa hasn’t hit his prime yet. Pressly needs to do better. He can’t be missing his spots as badly as the young relievers. Correa bailed him out big time. We need to give some kudos to Jake for the two run double that drove in our first two games. We saw more evidence as to why we need to all we can to re-sign Carlos Correa, the best SS in the game and currently our MVP. If we let him walk, we will live to regret. True, we will have to overpay by a lot to keep him. Since he is the best player on the team and plays the most critical position on the field, if we are going to drastically overpay, this is the time to do it. There is nothing available and nobody we can develop who would be close to the quality of SS and overall player we have in Correa. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 28, 2021 10:28:03 GMT -6
Brantley was your Player of the Game. A very close second was Correa. I’m pretty sure there may not have been another shortstop with the arm to end the game. He was also robbed of an assist at home on replay (like Chas in KC). I hope he comes back next season. With Springer there was the age excuse. Correa hasn’t hit his prime yet. Pressly needs to do better. He can’t be missing his spots as badly as the young relievers. Correa bailed him out big time. We need to give some kudos to Jake for the two run double that drove in our first two games. We saw more evidence as to why we need to all we can to re-sign Carlos Correa, the best SS in the game and currently our MVP. If we let him walk, we will live to regret. True, we will have to overpay by a lot to keep him. Since he is the best player on the team and plays the most critical position on the field, if we are going to drastically overpay, this is the time to do it. There is nothing available and nobody we can develop who would be close to the quality of SS and overall player we have in Correa. People are forgetting that if they were in Correa’s shoes, they’d be doing the same thing minus the reporter sound bytes. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 28, 2021 12:06:46 GMT -6
We need to give some kudos to Jake for the two run double that drove in our first two games. We saw more evidence as to why we need to all we can to re-sign Carlos Correa, the best SS in the game and currently our MVP. If we let him walk, we will live to regret. True, we will have to overpay by a lot to keep him. Since he is the best player on the team and plays the most critical position on the field, if we are going to drastically overpay, this is the time to do it. There is nothing available and nobody we can develop who would be close to the quality of SS and overall player we have in Correa. People are forgetting that if they were in Correa’s shoes, they’d be doing the same thing minus the reporter sound bytes. He's no different from the others.......He wants all the money he can get while he can get it. No doubt Crane will feel the heat to give him the money. He is part that holds that infield together besides being a clutch hitter, especially in the post season. I'll catch hell for saying it, but, Carlos Correa is the guy we can the least afford to lose at this time because of his all-around game. What other SS makes the play he made to end last night's game.....NONE of them. We were all glad when they extended Altuve and Bregman.......Correa is just as important, if not more. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 28, 2021 18:58:17 GMT -6
People are forgetting that if they were in Correa’s shoes, they’d be doing the same thing minus the reporter sound bytes. He's no different from the others.......He wants all the money he can get while he can get it. No doubt Crane will feel the heat to give him the money. He is part that holds that infield together besides being a clutch hitter, especially in the post season. I'll catch hell for saying it, but, Carlos Correa is the guy we can the least afford to lose at this time because of his all-around game. What other SS makes the play he made to end last night's game.....NONE of them. We were all glad when they extended Altuve and Bregman.......Correa is just as important, if not more. I agree. More people would be on this same side if they weren’t tired of him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 28, 2021 20:12:24 GMT -6
He's no different from the others.......He wants all the money he can get while he can get it. No doubt Crane will feel the heat to give him the money. He is part that holds that infield together besides being a clutch hitter, especially in the post season. I'll catch hell for saying it, but, Carlos Correa is the guy we can the least afford to lose at this time because of his all-around game. What other SS makes the play he made to end last night's game.....NONE of them. We were all glad when they extended Altuve and Bregman.......Correa is just as important, if not more. I agree. More people would be on this same side if they weren’t tired of him. If we manage to keep Correa, we may have to out-bid the Tigers. No doubt Hinch is lobbying them to go get Carlosl |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 7, 2021 22:11:12 GMT -6
I nominate Breggie for tonight's player of the game......Carlos a close runner up.
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 8, 2021 9:13:23 GMT -6
I nominate Breggie for tonight's player of the game......Carlos a close runner up. No doubt Mr. Bregman is the player of the game. I am pleased that our hall of fame manger finally moved him to the 3 hole where he belongs. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 12, 2021 21:12:28 GMT -6
Today's player of the game goes to Lance. Also, shoutout to the Stromfather...
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 12, 2021 21:59:58 GMT -6
Today's player of the game goes to Lance. Also, shoutout to the Stromfather... Great choice. Glad to see you give a shoutout to our outstanding pitching coach. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 13, 2021 7:44:19 GMT -6
Big shoutout to Yuli, too. 4-for-4, crossed the plate once and drove one in.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 14, 2021 7:02:36 GMT -6
Plenty of candidates last night. Who's the PoG, abregmanfan? |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 14, 2021 7:24:08 GMT -6
I vote for Snitker. What a great coach
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 14, 2021 7:50:14 GMT -6
My choice for player of the game is Siri. I had to give it to him because he may never get selected again.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 14, 2021 8:06:08 GMT -6
if 4/5 with 5 RBI and 2 HR don't get you the PoG, nothing will.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 14, 2021 9:16:00 GMT -6
My choice for player of the game is Siri. I had to give it to him because he may never get selected again. You chose correctly. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 14, 2021 9:19:48 GMT -6
Meyers gets PoG for drawing that walk.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 14, 2021 9:23:31 GMT -6
Meyers gets PoG for drawing that walk. I'd consider Odorizzi for getting out of the game before he blew the lead so Dusty have to do more bullshit and pull him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 14, 2021 9:28:37 GMT -6
Meyers gets PoG for drawing that walk. I'd consider Odorizzi for getting out of the game before he blew the lead so Dusty have to do more bullshit and pull him. Dusty gets PoG for urging Odorizzi to act more hurt. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 16, 2021 9:04:33 GMT -6
Player of the game honors go to Urquidy.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 17, 2021 8:14:39 GMT -6
Plenty of candidates again last night. I'll say Carlos. What say you, abregmanfan? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 17, 2021 8:38:13 GMT -6
Plenty of candidates again last night. I'll say Carlos. What say you, abregmanfan ? Co-players of the game, Garcia and Carlos. I like what Garcia did a little more. My dang computer crashed during the game last night so I wasn't able to post during the game. I was pissed. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 17, 2021 9:09:55 GMT -6
My dang computer crashed during the game last night It's your damned fault for programming it to give you an instant notification whenever the Astros score a run. You overloaded it!  |
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