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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 6, 2021 14:21:33 GMT -6
I think all of us agree that none of the players or coaches should be without some criticism. The problem is that we all differ on how much they should receive, and why it isn't consistent/fairly spread. The bottom line is that Strom is obviously a good pitching coach. But he has certainly not had success with everybody and deserves to receive some criticism for some of the pitching issues, just as the pitchers deserve a lot of criticism. No coach in any sport has had total success. The coach can only do so much, and, then it's up to the player to put what he has been taught into action. Strom can work with these guys on mechanics, spin rate, etc. all day long, but, unless they grasp it and execute it on the mound, they won't have success. Most of our pitchers who have control issues are the young, Hispanic guys. I think being overly emotional in game situations has a lot to do with it. It's veterans like Greinke and Odorizzi who are killing themselves with poor location on pitches that end up getting hit out of the park. Both of them threw BP in their last starts, and, Odorizzi has been consistently terrible. He gives the same excuse game after game when interviewed in the post game. "My mechanics were off". Duh, we know that. Strom can spot the problem and tell him and show him what it is, but, he has to make the corrections. He has not done it. As for the hitters, Robel is just awful and has no clue. For him to stay on the roster is ridiculous. I think Chas will get better the more he plays and he is showing signs of it. Hopefully, Jose will see that going to the plate and swinging at everything he sees is why he isn't hitting better. They all have slumps and the good ones will work their way out of them. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 6, 2021 14:35:47 GMT -6
I think all of us agree that none of the players or coaches should be without some criticism. The problem is that we all differ on how much they should receive, and why it isn't consistent/fairly spread. The bottom line is that Strom is obviously a good pitching coach. But he has certainly not had success with everybody and deserves to receive some criticism for some of the pitching issues, just as the pitchers deserve a lot of criticism. No coach in any sport has had total success. The coach can only do so much, and, then it's up to the player to put what he has been taught into action. Does that apply to all coaches, or just Strom? Does it apply to the Houston hitting coaches whom you castigate nearly daily? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 6, 2021 15:09:19 GMT -6
No coach in any sport has had total success. The coach can only do so much, and, then it's up to the player to put what he has been taught into action. Does that apply to all coaches, or just Strom? Does it apply to the Houston hitting coaches whom you castigate nearly daily? It applies to Strom, the hitting coaches, or any coach in any sport in this country. I don't see our pitchers going to other teams and improving, but, we see the hitters doing it regularly. Toro left us hitting .211. He is hitting .438 with the Mariners with three home runs. Straw is doing about the same with the Indians. Look at Teoscar Hernandez and Colin Moran. Even Stassi started hitting after leaving Houston. I don't castigate the hitting coaches any more than you have castigated Strom. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 6, 2021 15:16:36 GMT -6
I think all of us agree that none of the players or coaches should be without some criticism. The problem is that we all differ on how much they should receive, and why it isn't consistent/fairly spread. The bottom line is that Strom is obviously a good pitching coach. But he has certainly not had success with everybody and deserves to receive some criticism for some of the pitching issues, just as the pitchers deserve a lot of criticism. My complaint about Strom criticism is that it does not exist. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 6, 2021 15:17:59 GMT -6
OMG you guys are worse than girls fighting over some dude For f—kin’ real. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 6, 2021 15:21:56 GMT -6
If there was a win-a-date-with-Strom promo, some here would claw and scratch for the prize For f—kin’ real. I was a huge Luhnow fan as well. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 6, 2021 15:28:26 GMT -6
Yeah, that was surprising. It’s not like anyone said he should be fired. I stick up for Altuve and Strom, as I did for Straw. And I would for Brantley, but fortunately no one really has repeatedly put him down. I think to date the Astros have done very well this season. They are not as strong as the 2017 or 2018 team, but they are legit WS contenders. They are doing better than I thought they would be doing. So I am very proud of them. Plus, I did not like Timmy's response - And there is nothing you can do about it. I like him a lot. He always make me laugh. But to act like a little brat kid: it's my forum, I can be bitch if I want to/it's my party, I can cry if I want to. He is better than that, or at least I think of him to be. I stick up for Altuve when it is warranted like when Corch blamed him for McCullers sucking against the Rays. Great pitchers overcome shitty fielding like McCullers did his last start. However, when he becomes José Carter, I’ll criticize. This doesn’t diminish from his overall greatness. I liked Straw but thought he should’ve been traded. I’ve been saying for weeks that Click needed to trade for rotation help or a possible upgrade in CF, which made me hate the Straw trade. They brought up his replacement Jake Meyers to only face closers. So far, that has been a waste of a call up, but I guess I shouldn’t fault Dusty because our 1B woke up on the wrong side of the bed and has been out a week. Finally, the point about Tim, I think he had a right to say something. You know we’re cool, man, but you did fire the first shot. I mean I couldn’t care less about being called a bitch, but I think that Strom is a strange hill for everyone to die on. Hinch got railroaded by his players and thrown under the bus but gets a mere fraction of the defense that Strom does. If you look at it at face value, he’s a coach who gets a lot out of starters and almost nothing from his relievers. His pitchers also can’t get ahead of hitters to save their lives. For him to get no flack for any of this horrid starting pitching is just fans taking part in a cult of personality. Strom is great but isn’t a god. Let’s all chill. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 6, 2021 15:38:16 GMT -6
It may be time for Mahatma Papa to intervene.
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Post by Saint on Aug 6, 2021 17:28:59 GMT -6
I think all of us agree that none of the players or coaches should be without some criticism. The problem is that we all differ on how much they should receive, and why it isn't consistent/fairly spread. The bottom line is that Strom is obviously a good pitching coach. But he has certainly not had success with everybody and deserves to receive some criticism for some of the pitching issues, just as the pitchers deserve a lot of criticism. My complaint about Strom criticism is that it does not exist. Sure it does. From you and Bortaz (and me to a much lesser degree). |
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Post by Saint on Aug 6, 2021 17:32:31 GMT -6
I like all of Luhnow, Hinch, and Strom.
But Luhnow and Hinch f*cked up and got what they deserved. Strom deserves some criticism but is still an excellent coach.
P.S. Hinch >>>>>>>>>> Dusty (Although even though I'm not a fan of Dusty, I think he's probably been a good stabilizing force in the clubhouse and the media after everything went down. And that's primarily what he was brought in to do.)
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