|
|
Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 15:31:56 GMT -6
What does leadership look like to y'all? What makes you think that "leadership" isn't happening in the clubhouse or in the dugout? Just because we aren't seeing somebody yell at a teammate on the field, doesn't mean it isn't happening. "Veteran leadership is the same thing as "playing with no fire" to me. Losing teams are always "not playing with fire" and have no "veteran leadership". All of a sudden when they're winning they're not lacking any of that. No one knows what they do in the clubhouse. For all we know, they could be playing cornhole in Correa's rectum. We can only discuss what we can see. |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 15:33:17 GMT -6
What does leadership look like to y'all? What makes you think that "leadership" isn't happening in the clubhouse or in the dugout? Just because we aren't seeing somebody yell at a teammate on the field, doesn't mean it isn't happening. "Veteran leadership is the same thing as "playing with no fire" to me. Losing teams are always "not playing with fire" and have no "veteran leadership". All of a sudden when they're winning they're not lacking any of that. No one knows what they do in the clubhouse. For all we know, they could be playing cornhole in Correa's rectum. We can only discuss what we can see. I guess this all seems to me the way people complaining about Altuve seems to you. We're complaining about 1st place team and one of the best in baseball because they've struggled against some duds. They're still a 1st place great team. |
|
|
|
Post by unionstation82 on Aug 24, 2021 15:37:34 GMT -6
No one knows what they do in the clubhouse. For all we know, they could be playing cornhole in Correa's rectum. We can only discuss what we can see. I guess this all seems to me the way people complaining about Altuve seems to you. We're complaining about 1st place team and one of the best in baseball because they've struggled against some duds. They're still a 1st place great team. That’s the issue. First place teams don’t fall on their faces against duds so often. It’s one thing if a team has your number, but several of them? That’s a tiny red flag. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 15:47:15 GMT -6
There quite obviously hasn't been any. I'll second that. We don't need someone to curse them, yell at them, or have a tantrum. We just need a couple of veterans to point out the obvious.,we are playing down to the level of the competition and that needs to change. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 15:52:40 GMT -6
No one knows what they do in the clubhouse. For all we know, they could be playing cornhole in Correa's rectum. We can only discuss what we can see. I guess this all seems to me the way people complaining about Altuve seems to you. We're complaining about 1st place team and one of the best in baseball because they've struggled against some duds. They're still a 1st place great team. I don't think anyone is pointing a finger at any individual player for not providing leadership. Jose Altuve has as much desire and heart as any player on this team now or any of the teams we have had in the past. I have never questioned that. All of my concerns with him have been his mental mistakes and lack of plate discipline at times. At the present, he is having much better AB's and he is getting hits, and, a lot of that comes from waiting for a good pitch to hit. The whole point of complaining about a lack of leadership is because of their continued struggles against bad teams. Instead of taking advantage of them, we play down to their level. |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 15:56:42 GMT -6
I guess this all seems to me the way people complaining about Altuve seems to you. We're complaining about 1st place team and one of the best in baseball because they've struggled against some duds. They're still a 1st place great team. That’s the issue. First place teams don’t fall on their faces against duds so often. It’s one thing if a team has your number, but several of them? That’s a tiny red flag. But they ARE a 1st place team. It doesn't matter where the wins or losses come from. So what if y'all are right and they're lazy against the bad teams? Does it matter if the end result is good? Whatever wins the division and gets them back in the postseason is fine with me. |
|
|
|
Post by unionstation82 on Aug 24, 2021 16:09:56 GMT -6
That’s the issue. First place teams don’t fall on their faces against duds so often. It’s one thing if a team has your number, but several of them? That’s a tiny red flag. But they ARE a 1st place team. It doesn't matter where the wins or losses come from. So what if y'all are right and they're lazy against the bad teams? Does it matter if the end result is good? Whatever wins the division and gets them back in the postseason is fine with me. How does it not bother you that they’re sucking against bad teams when they keep making a big deal about how “easy” the schedule is the rest of the way? They’re in first place now, but that can change if they keep going the way they’ve been going. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 16:10:44 GMT -6
That’s the issue. First place teams don’t fall on their faces against duds so often. It’s one thing if a team has your number, but several of them? That’s a tiny red flag. But they ARE a 1st place team. It doesn't matter where the wins or losses come from. So what if y'all are right and they're lazy against the bad teams? Does it matter if the end result is good? Whatever wins the division and gets them back in the postseason is fine with me. I think the point is while it's true we are in first place, we would have a commanding lead in the division instead of being only 3.5 games ahead of the A's if we had not played like crap to the poor teams. The results against bottom feeders is not good. If they were, we'd have a 10 game lead in the division. |
|
|
|
Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2021 16:12:32 GMT -6
But they ARE a 1st place team. It doesn't matter where the wins or losses come from. So what if y'all are right and they're lazy against the bad teams? Does it matter if the end result is good? Whatever wins the division and gets them back in the postseason is fine with me. How does it not bother you that they’re sucking against bad teams when they keep making a big deal about how “easy” the schedule is the rest of the way? They’re in first place now, but that can change if they keep going the way they’ve been going. I don't understand being satisfied with just being in first place while we are handing games to horse shit teams instead of building on our division lead. Oakland has been struggling and we have not taken advantage because we sucked against the Royals and Twins. |
|
|
|
Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 24, 2021 16:48:19 GMT -6
That’s the issue. First place teams don’t fall on their faces against duds so often. It’s one thing if a team has your number, but several of them? That’s a tiny red flag. Emphasis on the 'tiny' red flag. Or even 'small' red flag. Or even a plain ol' regular sized red flag. But just how serious is it? Lets look at the Astros' record against the teams mentioned earlier in this thread: KC, Twins, Tigers, Orioles, and Rangersvs KC: 1-4 Yeah, that's seriously out of kilter. Can't write that off to "that's baseball" vs Twins: 3-4 A bit out of kilter. Worth mentioning. vs Tigers: 2-5 More than a bit out of kilter. Worth mentioning. vs Orioles: 3-3 Should be better but isn't because ... baseball. If the Astros had won just one more of those games. It would be 4-2 and the Orioles wouldn't be in this conversation. vs Rangers: 9-3 Why are they even in this conversation? A .750 winning percentage is above expectations even against an absolute bottom dweller. Yeah, the Rangers had one sweep against the Astros. The Astros won all nine other games.
I agree there's something worth looking into here. The Astros do need to do better against bottom tier teams. But the sky is not falling, regardless of what Chicken Little might want you to believe. |
|
|
|
Post by thomasj13 on Aug 24, 2021 16:53:12 GMT -6
I guess this all seems to me the way people complaining about Altuve seems to you. We're complaining about 1st place team and one of the best in baseball because they've struggled against some duds. They're still a 1st place great team. That’s the issue. First place teams don’t fall on their faces against duds so often. It’s one thing if a team has your number, but several of them? That’s a tiny red flag. Well the very good thing is that you don't face duds in the playoffs.... |
|
|
|
Post by Hunter McCormick on Aug 24, 2021 17:03:14 GMT -6
That’s the issue. First place teams don’t fall on their faces against duds so often. It’s one thing if a team has your number, but several of them? That’s a tiny red flag. Well the very good thing is that you don't face duds in the playoffs.... |
|
|
|
Post by thomasj13 on Aug 24, 2021 17:07:27 GMT -6
Well the very good thing is that you don't face duds in the playoffs.... Time to order another one. |
|
|
|
Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 24, 2021 18:19:01 GMT -6
No one knows what they do in the clubhouse. For all we know, they could be playing cornhole in Correa's rectum. We can only discuss what we can see. I guess this all seems to me the way people complaining about Altuve seems to you. We're complaining about 1st place team and one of the best in baseball because they've struggled against some duds. They're still a 1st place great team. But you’re notorious for excusing horrible play (unless it comes from Altuve). |
|
|
|
Post by Saint on Aug 24, 2021 18:58:17 GMT -6
I guess this all seems to me the way people complaining about Altuve seems to you. We're complaining about 1st place team and one of the best in baseball because they've struggled against some duds. They're still a 1st place great team. But you’re notorious for excusing horrible play (unless it comes from Altuve). I try to look at overall production and value. A bad game or a small sample size doesn't bother me much. |
|
|
|
Post by bearbryant on Aug 24, 2021 20:20:44 GMT -6
What does leadership look like to y'all? What makes you think that "leadership" isn't happening in the clubhouse or in the dugout? Just because we aren't seeing somebody yell at a teammate on the field, doesn't mean it isn't happening. "Veteran leadership" is the same thing as "playing with no fire" to me. Losing teams are always "not playing with fire" and have no "veteran leadership". All of a sudden when they're winning they're not lacking any of that. Sometimes team just lose. They stink for a while, or the other team stinks a little less. There isn't always some grand answer or cause. |
|
