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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2021 12:31:18 GMT -6
Great. With his over-inflated ego he should fit right in. Let the Yankees deal with his frequent disappearing acts. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Nov 7, 2021 13:02:16 GMT -6
Some questions with CC looking at NY, where they have more questions in their pitching staff to address after Cole. Would they be in the mix, knowing that Judge will be on the market after next season. Are they really serious about bringing Rizzo back and throwing Voit under the bus. But then again they are one of only a handful of teams that have the bucks to throw around that could give him a competitive offer.
They booed Cole when he had his bad stretch this past season, CC would be no different, would he handle the Big Apple. This franchise is desperate to get to a World Series.
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Post by talshill on Nov 7, 2021 13:26:23 GMT -6
If NY is what he wants, let him go. We'll beat his ass and he can sit on the sofa with the rest of the NYY watching the Astros.
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Post by paastrosfan on Nov 7, 2021 13:31:17 GMT -6
If NY is what he wants, let him go. We'll beat his ass and he can sit on the sofa with the rest of the NYY watching the Astros. It is bad enough at this point to visit that city, without playing ball there. It is getting to the point as walking down the streets of Kabul. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 7, 2021 14:05:28 GMT -6
Astros have given Correa the qualifying offer, per Jon Heyman. So clearly he won't be signed during the exclusive period and will indeed be hitting the market.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2021 15:04:29 GMT -6
Astros have given Correa the qualifying offer, per Jon Heyman. So clearly he won't be signed during the exclusive period and will indeed be hitting the market. Did they give a QO to JV? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 7, 2021 15:44:28 GMT -6
Astros have given Correa the qualifying offer, per Jon Heyman. So clearly he won't be signed during the exclusive period and will indeed be hitting the market. Did they give a QO to JV? I haven't seen any word yet. mbltr has an article on QOs and they say they'll update it so you might want to check that in a few hours. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/players-receiving-qualifying-offers.htmlEDIT: JV was given a QO. The linked article was updated. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2021 15:54:52 GMT -6
Less than 10 minutes until the deadline for making a qualifying offer. If the Astros were going to make a QO to JV, I think they would have done it by now.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2021 15:55:14 GMT -6
Isn’t the QO deadline in like 5 minutes?
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2021 15:55:37 GMT -6
Less than 10 minutes until the deadline for making a qualifying offer. If the Astros were going to make a QO to JV, I think they would have done it by now. Not doing this would make no sense. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2021 16:04:30 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2021 23:13:13 GMT -6
6-years $210 for CC seems more than fair based on his health. If he thinks he deserves more than that good luck to him. Somebody will probably pay more, but it doesn't need to be us. It would be by far the biggest contract per AAV and total that we've ever given anyone, including HoF locks, CYs, and MVPs.
It gets us him during all of his prime years, and he gets to feed his ego by saying that he's annually the highest paid shortstop in baseball for probably at least 2-3 of those years. He continues to be in a winning franchise that (mostly) adores him and playing with guys that want to play with him. He can even play the hero by telling people "Sure I could have gotten more years with blahblahblah, but I wanted to continue to win in Houston."
If he takes more to go somewhere else and then gets hurt or drops back to his 2020-level performance, he'll be hated by the fanbase.
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2021 23:15:15 GMT -6
I actually hope JV takes it, to be honest. Sure, his innings and starts will likely be limited, but he's a proven winner when he's on the field. Get him, get a SS, sign Gray, Graveman, another reliever, maybe an OFer, and then get ready for 2022.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2021 5:23:23 GMT -6
6-years $210 for CC seems more than fair based on his health. If he thinks he deserves more than that good luck to him. Somebody will probably pay more, but it doesn't need to be us. It would be by far the biggest contract per AAV and total that we've ever given anyone, including HoF locks, CYs, and MVPs. It gets us him during all of his prime years, and he gets to feed his ego by saying that he's annually the highest paid shortstop in baseball for probably at least 2-3 of those years. He continues to be in a winning franchise that (mostly) adores him and playing with guys that want to play with him. He can even play the hero by telling people "Sure I could have gotten more years with blahblahblah, but I wanted to continue to win in Houston." If he takes more to go somewhere else and then gets hurt or drops back to his 2020-level performance, he'll be hated by the fanbase. How about 6 years/$210M, with a player opt out after season 3. I just want 3 years from him, because that is when Altuve's and Bregman's contracts expire. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 8, 2021 6:25:29 GMT -6
How about 6 years/$210M, with a player opt out after season 3. I just want 3 years from him, because that is when Altuve's and Bregman's contracts expire. A player opt-out is always attractive to the player but does nothing for team flexibility. You're still stuck with him if he turns into a pumpkin. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2021 6:33:58 GMT -6
How about 6 years/$210M, with a player opt out after season 3. I just want 3 years from him, because that is when Altuve's and Bregman's contracts expire. A player opt-out is always attractive to the player but does nothing for team flexibility. You're still stuck with him if he turns into a pumpkin. I don't disagree with that....but if it is a 6 year deal, it's a 6 year deal. The opt out could be enticing to Carlos to take, since he could see if he can get a better deal in 4 years. I just care about the 3 year window of Altuve and Bregman..I definitely am not a proponent of the Astros offering him a 8+ deal... My ideal scenario would be if he left, Astros used the money elsewhere, Astros won two more WS and he never did. That would be what time it is. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2021 7:54:22 GMT -6
6-years $210 for CC seems more than fair based on his health. If he thinks he deserves more than that good luck to him. Somebody will probably pay more, but it doesn't need to be us. It would be by far the biggest contract per AAV and total that we've ever given anyone, including HoF locks, CYs, and MVPs. It gets us him during all of his prime years, and he gets to feed his ego by saying that he's annually the highest paid shortstop in baseball for probably at least 2-3 of those years. He continues to be in a winning franchise that (mostly) adores him and playing with guys that want to play with him. He can even play the hero by telling people "Sure I could have gotten more years with blahblahblah, but I wanted to continue to win in Houston." If he takes more to go somewhere else and then gets hurt or drops back to his 2020-level performance, he'll be hated by the fanbase. How about 6 years/$210M, with a player opt out after season 3. I just want 3 years from him, because that is when Altuve's and Bregman's contracts expire. I'd be fine with that. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2021 8:27:41 GMT -6
6-years $210 for CC seems more than fair based on his health. If he thinks he deserves more than that good luck to him. Somebody will probably pay more, but it doesn't need to be us. It would be by far the biggest contract per AAV and total that we've ever given anyone, including HoF locks, CYs, and MVPs. It gets us him during all of his prime years, and he gets to feed his ego by saying that he's annually the highest paid shortstop in baseball for probably at least 2-3 of those years. He continues to be in a winning franchise that (mostly) adores him and playing with guys that want to play with him. He can even play the hero by telling people "Sure I could have gotten more years with blahblahblah, but I wanted to continue to win in Houston." If he takes more to go somewhere else and then gets hurt or drops back to his 2020-level performance, he'll be hated by the fanbase. How about 6 years/$210M, with a player opt out after season 3. I just want 3 years from him, because that is when Altuve's and Bregman's contracts expire. Man, that’d be a whole lot of suck for 2025. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2021 8:46:45 GMT -6
How about 6 years/$210M, with a player opt out after season 3. I just want 3 years from him, because that is when Altuve's and Bregman's contracts expire. Man, that’d be a whole lot of suck for 2025. Depends on what Lee, Pena and Leon bring to the table. Still have Tucker and Alvarez... I would think they would re-sign Altuve, who would be 34/35 then, to a 2 year deal/3rd year option. Bregman, would be 30/31, He could be offered a 3 year deal/4th year option. It would all depend upon how they're producing and the Astros' 2025 salary cap. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 8, 2021 9:13:03 GMT -6
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Post by fanastro on Nov 8, 2021 10:01:50 GMT -6
I don't think Correa is worth the money he wants. Can't we learn from history? The Lindor and Machado contracts already look bad why do that with Correa. He is not a "generational talent" like Scherzer/Harper who are the only types of players that are worth these long/fat contracts.
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Post by koolade2 on Nov 8, 2021 10:29:30 GMT -6
I don't think Correa is worth the money he wants. Can't we learn from history? The Lindor and Machado contracts already look bad why do that with Correa. He is not a "generational talent" like Scherzer/Harper who are the only types of players that are worth these long/fat contracts. I have to agree with this. I don't pretend to be an expert on most players in baseball. The way I look at it. Correa is not a top tier Hitter. At times he has been really good. But for .278 hitter for the year and have him completely disappear in the Playoffs is his trade mark as a hitter. So everyone here says he is top SS in the field. How long will that be as he starts to age and giving him more than 3-5 years is not smart. Look they Had a Really Good Short Stop and he was better in the field than Jeter but never got any press due to his play as a hitter. Then he got hurt and now is out of baseball due that injury. No I can't remember his name since he is no longer an Astro and it isn't important enough to store that in my memory. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2021 10:46:50 GMT -6
I don't think Correa is worth the money he wants. Can't we learn from history? The Lindor and Machado contracts already look bad why do that with Correa. He is not a "generational talent" like Scherzer/Harper who are the only types of players that are worth these long/fat contracts. I have to agree with this. I don't pretend to be an expert on most players in baseball. The way I look at it. Correa is not a top tier Hitter. At times he has been really good. But for .278 hitter for the year and have him completely disappear in the Playoffs is his trade mark as a hitter. So everyone here says he is top SS in the field. How long will that be as he starts to age and giving him more than 3-5 years is not smart. Look they Had a Really Good Short Stop and he was better in the field than Jeter but never got any press due to his play as a hitter. Then he got hurt and now is out of baseball due that injury. No I can't remember his name since he is no longer an Astro and it isn't important enough to store that in my memory. Clue - AE |
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Post by fanastro on Nov 8, 2021 16:06:51 GMT -6
I don't think Correa is worth the money he wants. Can't we learn from history? The Lindor and Machado contracts already look bad why do that with Correa. He is not a "generational talent" like Scherzer/Harper who are the only types of players that are worth these long/fat contracts. I have to agree with this. I don't pretend to be an expert on most players in baseball. The way I look at it. Correa is not a top tier Hitter. At times he has been really good. But for .278 hitter for the year and have him completely disappear in the Playoffs is his trade mark as a hitter. So everyone here says he is top SS in the field. How long will that be as he starts to age and giving him more than 3-5 years is not smart. Look they Had a Really Good Short Stop and he was better in the field than Jeter but never got any press due to his play as a hitter. Then he got hurt and now is out of baseball due that injury. No I can't remember his name since he is no longer an Astro and it isn't important enough to store that in my memory. That's my favorite Astro ever, Adam Everett aka Adam Never-hit |
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Post by koolade2 on Nov 8, 2021 16:15:56 GMT -6
I have to agree with this. I don't pretend to be an expert on most players in baseball. The way I look at it. Correa is not a top tier Hitter. At times he has been really good. But for .278 hitter for the year and have him completely disappear in the Playoffs is his trade mark as a hitter. So everyone here says he is top SS in the field. How long will that be as he starts to age and giving him more than 3-5 years is not smart. Look they Had a Really Good Short Stop and he was better in the field than Jeter but never got any press due to his play as a hitter. Then he got hurt and now is out of baseball due that injury. No I can't remember his name since he is no longer an Astro and it isn't important enough to store that in my memory. Clue - AE As soon as I saw AE I remember. Yes Adam Never Hit As the other poster put |
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