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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2022 21:20:39 GMT -6
I'm of the opinion of just having Framber go a couple innings and then making it a bullpen day. Run with the below lineup:
Hensley 2B Pena SS Yordan DH Tucker RF Bregman 3B Mancini 1B Chas LF Meyers CF Vazquez C
Replace Bregman with Diaz halfway thru. Replace Pena or Tucker with Dubon halfway thru.
P.S. I'd be good with Altuve starting with Hensley relieving him, but I'd like to see Hensley get a few more ABs. We already know Jose will hit in the postseason.
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Post by m240 on Oct 4, 2022 21:28:23 GMT -6
Let Altuve start and pull him in the top of the first so the crowd can give him a hand. Do the same for all the starters you can and pull one per inning.
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2022 21:31:10 GMT -6
Dusty has apparently already said that Altuve will not start tomorrow.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 4, 2022 21:32:32 GMT -6
We got some decent innings out of him and saved some money for next year. we did?
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2022 21:58:55 GMT -6
We got some decent innings out of him and saved some money for next year. we did? Yeah. 23 Games 114 ERA+ (better after today) And if I remember right with how the contracts and buyouts we're structured for him and Odor, we're saving like $5 million or so next year.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 4, 2022 23:17:48 GMT -6
Will Smith might be the biggest piece of crap acquired in the past decade. And yes, this includes Carlos Gomez.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2022 0:33:30 GMT -6
Will Smith might be the biggest piece of crap acquired in the past decade. And yes, this includes Carlos Gomez. Mike Fiers?
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 3:53:30 GMT -6
Will Smith might be the biggest piece of crap acquired in the past decade. And yes, this includes Carlos Gomez. Mike Fiers? Yeah, Mike Fiers might be the worst but only because of the snitching. I guess Giles may have Smith beat.
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Post by olpapa on Oct 5, 2022 5:59:17 GMT -6
Yeah. 23 Games 114 ERA+ (better after today) And if I remember right with how the contracts and buyouts we're structured for him and Odor, we're saving like $5 million or so next year. Actually the $5+ million savings was for 2022 as the Braves paid a little over $8.3 million of Smith’s 2022 contract to the Astros this year and the Astros paid a little over $3.2 million of Odorizzi’s 2022 contract to the Braves this year. Also, it should not be overlooked that Odorizzi has a $12.5 million player option for 2023 that is now Atlanta’s responsibility. So the deal saved the Astros $5+ million in 2022 and another $12.5 million in 2023 as there is no doubt in my mind that Odorizzi will exercise his player option for 2023.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 6:23:11 GMT -6
Yeah. 23 Games 114 ERA+ (better after today) And if I remember right with how the contracts and buyouts we're structured for him and Odor, we're saving like $5 million or so next year. Actually the $5+ million savings was for 2022 as the Braves paid a little over $8.3 million of Smith’s 2022 contract to the Astros this year and the Astros paid a little over $3.2 million of Odorizzi’s 2022 contract to the Braves this year. Also, it should not be overlooked that Odorizzi has a $12.5 million player option for 2023 that is now Atlanta’s responsibility. So the deal saved the Astros $5+ million in 2022 and another $12.5 million in 2023 as there is no doubt in my mind that Odorizzi will exercise his player option for 2023. Even better!
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 5, 2022 7:43:13 GMT -6
Yeah. 23 Games 114 ERA+ (better after today) And if I remember right with how the contracts and buyouts we're structured for him and Odor, we're saving like $5 million or so next year. Again, another example of why "statistics" is so widely loathed. This dude has sucked more ass than a transvestite prostitute at an Ol Papa conference in Seattle, the whole world has seen it, he's sucked and sucked and sucked and sucked and still sucking, but you manage to pull some horseshit stat out of your ass that suggests he hasn't sucked. Nay, that he got BETTER by blowing a no-hitter and allowing his first three opponents to hit him around like a piñata.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 8:32:13 GMT -6
Yeah. 23 Games 114 ERA+ (better after today) And if I remember right with how the contracts and buyouts we're structured for him and Odor, we're saving like $5 million or so next year. Again, another example of why "statistics" is so widely loathed. This dude has sucked more ass than a transvestite prostitute at an Ol Papa conference in Seattle, the whole world has seen it, he's sucked and sucked and sucked and sucked and still sucking, but you manage to pull some horseshit stat out of your ass that suggests he hasn't sucked. Nay, that he got BETTER by blowing a no-hitter and allowing his first three opponents to hit him around like a piñata. But that's the thing. He didn't give up a run. He had a scoreless innings. Not giving up runs is the most important thing from a pitcher. A no-hitter would be pretty, but that's not the ultimate goal. I don't love Smith or anything, but, he was overall, a decent reliever for us. Not great, but solid. I don't think he's the guy to go to in high leverage situations (like the postseason) so he was not a good pick-up in that regard. Like you say, they can't all be All-stars, but he kept us in games and mostly kept runs from scoring.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2022 11:27:38 GMT -6
Again, another example of why "statistics" is so widely loathed. This dude has sucked more ass than a transvestite prostitute at an Ol Papa conference in Seattle, the whole world has seen it, he's sucked and sucked and sucked and sucked and still sucking, but you manage to pull some horseshit stat out of your ass that suggests he hasn't sucked. Nay, that he got BETTER by blowing a no-hitter and allowing his first three opponents to hit him around like a piñata. But that's the thing. He didn't give up a run. He had a scoreless innings. Not giving up runs is the most important thing from a pitcher. A no-hitter would be pretty, but that's not the ultimate goal. I don't love Smith or anything, but, he was overall, a decent reliever for us. Not great, but solid. I don't think he's the guy to go to in high leverage situations (like the postseason) so he was not a good pick-up in that regard. Like you say, they can't all be All-stars, but he kept us in games and mostly kept runs from scoring. I have defended Dusty in the past, but C'Mon man!!!! Verlander only had to pitch one more inning to break the lowest ERA record. That is currently held by Pedro Martinez. And you have a no-hitter going into the 9th inning, and you have Will Smith to finish it out, seriously WTF?!?! Will Smith, of all the Astros current relievers, has the worst BAA, .271. Just F' Dumb! Nobody should say otherwise!
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 11:36:15 GMT -6
But that's the thing. He didn't give up a run. He had a scoreless innings. Not giving up runs is the most important thing from a pitcher. A no-hitter would be pretty, but that's not the ultimate goal. I don't love Smith or anything, but, he was overall, a decent reliever for us. Not great, but solid. I don't think he's the guy to go to in high leverage situations (like the postseason) so he was not a good pick-up in that regard. Like you say, they can't all be All-stars, but he kept us in games and mostly kept runs from scoring. I have defended Dusty in the past, but C'Mon man!!!! Verlander only had to pitch one more inning to break the lowest ERA record. That is currently held by Pedro Martinez. And you have a no-hitter going into the 9th inning, and you have Will Smith to finish it out, seriously WTF?!?! Will Smith, of all the Astros current relievers, has the worst BAA, .271. Just F' Dumb! Nobody should say otherwise! I always, and will always, hate when a starter leaves a game with a no-hitter, but the times are changing. Players and coaches aren't putting as much stock in as they did back in the day, unfortunately. Dusty wasn't playing to maintain a no-hitter, he was playing to give guys work. I actually don't mind Dusty for that. What does a combined no-hitter against the Phillies' B-squad do for anything? It doesn't matter. As for JV, it wasn't the lowest ERA record, it was the lowest ERA during the "wild card era". It's not even really a record. But apparently he had some sort of cut on his hand he didn't want to risk making worse before the postseason.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2022 12:10:08 GMT -6
I have defended Dusty in the past, but C'Mon man!!!! Verlander only had to pitch one more inning to break the lowest ERA record. That is currently held by Pedro Martinez. And you have a no-hitter going into the 9th inning, and you have Will Smith to finish it out, seriously WTF?!?! Will Smith, of all the Astros current relievers, has the worst BAA, .271. Just F' Dumb! Nobody should say otherwise! I always, and will always, hate when a starter leaves a game with a no-hitter, but the times are changing. Players and coaches aren't putting as much stock in as they did back in the day, unfortunately. Dusty wasn't playing to maintain a no-hitter, he was playing to give guys work. I actually don't mind Dusty for that. What does a combined no-hitter against the Phillies' B-squad do for anything? It doesn't matter. As for JV, it wasn't the lowest ERA record, it was the lowest ERA during the "wild card era". It's not even really a record. But apparently he had some sort of cut on his hand he didn't want to risk making worse before the postseason. It's a no-hitter....And Harper was playing.... Forgot about the cut.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 12:10:09 GMT -6
Again, another example of why "statistics" is so widely loathed. This dude has sucked more ass than a transvestite prostitute at an Ol Papa conference in Seattle, the whole world has seen it, he's sucked and sucked and sucked and sucked and still sucking, but you manage to pull some horseshit stat out of your ass that suggests he hasn't sucked. Nay, that he got BETTER by blowing a no-hitter and allowing his first three opponents to hit him around like a piñata. But that's the thing. He didn't give up a run. He had a scoreless innings. Not giving up runs is the most important thing from a pitcher. A no-hitter would be pretty, but that's not the ultimate goal. I don't love Smith or anything, but, he was overall, a decent reliever for us. Not great, but solid. I don't think he's the guy to go to in high leverage situations (like the postseason) so he was not a good pick-up in that regard. Like you say, they can't all be All-stars, but he kept us in games and mostly kept runs from scoring. This is weak. You yourself said this should be the last game he should pitch so don’t play the rah rah card with Smith.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 12:21:17 GMT -6
But that's the thing. He didn't give up a run. He had a scoreless innings. Not giving up runs is the most important thing from a pitcher. A no-hitter would be pretty, but that's not the ultimate goal. I don't love Smith or anything, but, he was overall, a decent reliever for us. Not great, but solid. I don't think he's the guy to go to in high leverage situations (like the postseason) so he was not a good pick-up in that regard. Like you say, they can't all be All-stars, but he kept us in games and mostly kept runs from scoring. This is weak. You yourself said this should be the last game he should pitch so don’t play the rah rah card with Smith. When did I rah rah Smith or say anything different? Let's just not act like he's been some horrible pitcher for us. He hasn't been great, and I think he should be the odd man out on our ALDS roster, but that's more because our bullpen is so strong this year. I know it's a thing for people to bash every reliever that isn't Billy Wagner, but the bottom line is that Smith was decent for us and the numbers reflect that. 3.27 ERA 120 ERA+ 1.227 WHIP (with a great walk rate) 24 K in 22 IP When you take into consideration the money we saved in the exchange, it ends up a pretty good deal for us. I'm sorry he ruined a combined no-hitter that even the team didn't care about, but that doesn't change the fact that he did okay for us since we got him. Y'all forget the days of 5+ ERA relievers that we had on a regular basis. Now we're arguing over which statistically-decent relief pitcher is our worst pitcher that doesn't deserve to make the postseason team.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 13:58:21 GMT -6
This is weak. You yourself said this should be the last game he should pitch so don’t play the rah rah card with Smith. When did I rah rah Smith or say anything different? Let's just not act like he's been some horrible pitcher for us. He hasn't been great, and I think he should be the odd man out on our ALDS roster, but that's more because our bullpen is so strong this year. I know it's a thing for people to bash every reliever that isn't Billy Wagner, but the bottom line is that Smith was decent for us and the numbers reflect that. 3.27 ERA 120 ERA+ 1.227 WHIP (with a great walk rate) 24 K in 22 IP When you take into consideration the money we saved in the exchange, it ends up a pretty good deal for us. I'm sorry he ruined a combined no-hitter that even the team didn't care about, but that doesn't change the fact that he did okay for us since we got him. Y'all forget the days of 5+ ERA relievers that we had on a regular basis. Now we're arguing over which statistically-decent relief pitcher is our worst pitcher that doesn't deserve to make the postseason team. Will Harris made me stop believing in stats. That dude was the most reliable pitcher ever until it mattered.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 14:05:44 GMT -6
When did I rah rah Smith or say anything different? Let's just not act like he's been some horrible pitcher for us. He hasn't been great, and I think he should be the odd man out on our ALDS roster, but that's more because our bullpen is so strong this year. I know it's a thing for people to bash every reliever that isn't Billy Wagner, but the bottom line is that Smith was decent for us and the numbers reflect that. 3.27 ERA 120 ERA+ 1.227 WHIP (with a great walk rate) 24 K in 22 IP When you take into consideration the money we saved in the exchange, it ends up a pretty good deal for us. I'm sorry he ruined a combined no-hitter that even the team didn't care about, but that doesn't change the fact that he did okay for us since we got him. Y'all forget the days of 5+ ERA relievers that we had on a regular basis. Now we're arguing over which statistically-decent relief pitcher is our worst pitcher that doesn't deserve to make the postseason team. Will Harris made me stop believing in stats. That dude was the most reliable pitcher ever until it mattered. But even that's not true. He happened to be the guy that gave up the losing runs, but until then he'd been perfectly reliable in all of his 2019 postseason appearances (and he had never given up a run a in a WS dating back to 2017). He had been dominant in 2019. Even Mariano blew a Game 7 of a WS. Sometimes good players blow it. Somebody has to lose. That doesn't mean they weren't good players that contributed a lot to the overall success of the team.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 14:07:53 GMT -6
Will Harris made me stop believing in stats. That dude was the most reliable pitcher ever until it mattered. But even that's not true. He happened to be the guy that gave up the losing runs, but until then he'd been perfectly reliable in all of his 2019 postseason appearances (and he had never given up a run a in a WS dating back to 2017). He had been dominant in 2019. Even Mariano blew a Game 7 of a WS. Sometimes good players blow it. Somebody has to lose. That doesn't mean they weren't good players that contributed a lot to the overall success of the team. UNTIL. IT. MATTERED.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 5, 2022 14:50:31 GMT -6
I really don't understand why a few of you are arguing with Saint. Saint made a great point that no runs scored. We are the top team in the American League, chill guys!
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 14:57:49 GMT -6
I really don't understand why a few of you are arguing with Saint. Saint made a great point that no runs scored. We are the top team in the American League, chill guys! It’s nothing serious.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 15:17:39 GMT -6
But even that's not true. He happened to be the guy that gave up the losing runs, but until then he'd been perfectly reliable in all of his 2019 postseason appearances (and he had never given up a run a in a WS dating back to 2017). He had been dominant in 2019. Even Mariano blew a Game 7 of a WS. Sometimes good players blow it. Somebody has to lose. That doesn't mean they weren't good players that contributed a lot to the overall success of the team. UNTIL. IT. MATTERED. So the other times before Game 7 did not matter? You had to win those to get to Game 7. Y'all are too hard on relievers, bottom line. Some relievers flat out suck most of the time, for sure. Some are decent. Some are really good but have bad moments than can outshine how good they really were. I don't know of a perfect reliever that never gave up some runs or blew a game.
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 15:18:16 GMT -6
I really don't understand why a few of you are arguing with Saint. Saint made a great point that no runs scored. We are the top team in the American League, chill guys! BECAUSE HE BLEW THE NO-HITTER NOBODY CARED ABOUT BUT THE FANS!!!!!! ARGHHHH!!!!!!!
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 5, 2022 15:54:37 GMT -6
So the other times before Game 7 did not matter? You had to win those to get to Game 7. Y'all are too hard on relievers, bottom line. Some relievers flat out suck most of the time, for sure. Some are decent. Some are really good but have bad moments than can outshine how good they really were. I don't know of a perfect reliever that never gave up some runs or blew a game. Name one that you believe sucks most of the time.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2022 15:56:05 GMT -6
So the other times before Game 7 did not matter? You had to win those to get to Game 7. Y'all are too hard on relievers, bottom line. Some relievers flat out suck most of the time, for sure. Some are decent. Some are really good but have bad moments than can outshine how good they really were. I don't know of a perfect reliever that never gave up some runs or blew a game. If you don’t believe that Will Harris shrunk when the lights were brightest, I don’t know what to tell you. That 1.50 ERA sure meant the world when Rendon and Kendrick went yard on him.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 5, 2022 15:58:37 GMT -6
One thing I thought Harris and Gregerson didn't get enough credit for was the unclean innings they finished during the 2017 postseason when the pitcher of record got in a jam. 7 2/3 IP between them, 1 ER
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Post by fanastro on Oct 5, 2022 16:01:31 GMT -6
No reason for Smith to be on the playoff roster if we're facing the righty heavy blue jays
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2022 16:46:10 GMT -6
So the other times before Game 7 did not matter? You had to win those to get to Game 7. Y'all are too hard on relievers, bottom line. Some relievers flat out suck most of the time, for sure. Some are decent. Some are really good but have bad moments than can outshine how good they really were. I don't know of a perfect reliever that never gave up some runs or blew a game. Name one that you believe sucks most of the time. We don't currently have one.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 5, 2022 17:04:59 GMT -6
Name one that you believe sucks most of the time. We don't currently have one. name one from anywhere, that you believe sucks most of the time.
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