talshill
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Post by talshill on Feb 21, 2023 20:22:34 GMT -6
So you don't know what the problem is or how to treat it, but surgery is the answer. Even though the finest orthopedists and hand specialists on the planet have probably examined him. All the while understanding that if it does need surgery that Alvarez has to agree to it since, you know, it's his be body and all... I'm way too dumb to ever be a doctor, but wouldn't reoccurring pain be caused by something though? Pinched nerve? Arthritis? I know some thing's heal with enough time, but since we use our hands constantly I would think something would be fixable. It's an exercise in futility since we don't know what the problem is. Certainly recurrent pain has an origin. I would think that he has been examined by top medical folks and they know what the issue is. Hamate bone, strained ligament/tendon, congenital malformation, who knows? Typically physicians will follow a less aggressive course before diving into surgical intervention. And maybe the less aggressive course has been tried and now, on the eve of the season starting, surgery has been put off until next off-season. You guys act like there are no repercussions to surgery when in fact it permanently alters the body; sometimes for the worse. I guarantee you that any surgeon dealing with an athlete scheduled to make millions of dollars over his career is going to be extremely cautious recommending surgery. Not only because he could interfere with the athlete's life and career but also because he can get his ass sued off if it goes wrong. And it can (see Correa, Carlos). Usually the doc will get multiple additional opinions before recommending surgery. And in the end Alvarez has to live in his body for the rest of his life and may not want to risk possible consequences. |
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talshill
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Post by talshill on Feb 21, 2023 20:27:32 GMT -6
And because of HIPAA, which has been federal law since 1996, we only know what Alvarez decides to share with us. Not even the team can overrule that. And he's perfectly within his right to share nothing.
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talshill
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Post by talshill on Feb 21, 2023 20:31:42 GMT -6
So you don't know what the problem is or how to treat it, but surgery is the answer. Even though the finest orthopedists and hand specialists on the planet have probably examined him. All the while understanding that if it does need surgery that Alvarez has to agree to it since, you know, it's his be body and all... I'm way too dumb to ever be a doctor, but wouldn't reoccurring pain be caused by something though? Pinched nerve? Arthritis? I know some thing's heal with enough time, but since we use our hands constantly I would think something would be fixable. And don't sell yourself short. I've known plenty of dumb doctors. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 21, 2023 21:42:35 GMT -6
I'm way too dumb to ever be a doctor, but wouldn't reoccurring pain be caused by something though? Pinched nerve? Arthritis? I know some thing's heal with enough time, but since we use our hands constantly I would think something would be fixable. And don't sell yourself short. I've known plenty of dumb doctors. Amen brother. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 21, 2023 21:42:59 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 8:46:24 GMT -6
I'm way too dumb to ever be a doctor, but wouldn't reoccurring pain be caused by something though? Pinched nerve? Arthritis? I know some thing's heal with enough time, but since we use our hands constantly I would think something would be fixable. It's an exercise in futility since we don't know what the problem is. Certainly recurrent pain has an origin. I would think that he has been examined by top medical folks and they know what the issue is. Hamate bone, strained ligament/tendon, congenital malformation, who knows? Typically physicians will follow a less aggressive course before diving into surgical intervention. And maybe the less aggressive course has been tried and now, on the eve of the season starting, surgery has been put off until next off-season. You guys act like there are no repercussions to surgery when in fact it permanently alters the body; sometimes for the worse. I guarantee you that any surgeon dealing with an athlete scheduled to make millions of dollars over his career is going to be extremely cautious recommending surgery. Not only because he could interfere with the athlete's life and career but also because he can get his ass sued off if it goes wrong. And it can (see Correa, Carlos). Usually the doc will get multiple additional opinions before recommending surgery. And in the end Alvarez has to live in his body for the rest of his life and may not want to risk possible consequences. Yeah we don't have nearly enough information, nor do we need it. I guess I'm just looking at it as if it were me, and I'd want to get it fixed (if there was a fix). I'm not a $100 million baseball player though. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 8:51:27 GMT -6
The pitching has a chance to be just as good as last year, if Hunter Brown can step up and maintain. And things sound encouraging about Whitley finally. Maybe he ends up being that unexpected reliable gun out of the bullpen at some point this season. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 22, 2023 9:01:24 GMT -6
The pitching has a chance to be just as good as last year, if Hunter Brown can step up and maintain. And things sound encouraging about Whitley finally. Maybe he ends up being that unexpected reliable gun out of the bullpen at some point this season. Don't hold your breath for Gump. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 9:04:28 GMT -6
The pitching has a chance to be just as good as last year, if Hunter Brown can step up and maintain. And things sound encouraging about Whitley finally. Maybe he ends up being that unexpected reliable gun out of the bullpen at some point this season. Don't hold your breath for Gump. I don't know...just a feeling. Some young guys take longer to mature, and I think maybe he has finally gotten to where he needs to be mentally. Now we just need to see if he can show it on the field and stay healthy. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 22, 2023 9:14:25 GMT -6
Don't hold your breath for Gump. I don't know...just a feeling. Some young guys take longer to mature, and I think maybe he has finally gotten to where he needs to be mentally. Now we just need to see if he can show it on the field and stay healthy. I'm not going to be against it. But he's got a gigantic mental/maturity mountain to climb. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 22, 2023 9:14:38 GMT -6
Don't hold your breath for Gump. I don't know...just a feeling. Some young guys take longer to mature, and I think maybe he has finally gotten to where he needs to be mentally. Now we just need to see if he can show it on the field and stay healthy. I'm not going to be against it. But he's got a gigantic mental/maturity mountain to climb. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2023 11:36:11 GMT -6
Are we at all surprised that Mookie admitted the Red Sox cheated in 2018, and it’s getting very little press?
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 12:01:50 GMT -6
Are we at all surprised that Mookie admitted the Red Sox cheated in 2018, and it’s getting very little press? Nope. I've given up hope expecting there to be any backlash or media attention to any of the other teams. But, if the Astros do anything...anything at all...that borderlines on inappropriate, it will make headlines again. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 22, 2023 12:28:40 GMT -6
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 22, 2023 12:28:59 GMT -6
Sucks that Lance won't be ready to start the season. Hunter Brown, anyone?
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 12:42:24 GMT -6
It's no big deal. Hunter Brown gets to start off in the rotation and Seth Martinez moves starts the year in the bullpen.
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2023 12:52:03 GMT -6
It's no big deal. Hunter Brown gets to start off in the rotation and Seth Martinez moves starts the year in the bullpen. It’s kind of a big deal when you make $17 million a year on average and your ace moved to New York. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 13:26:40 GMT -6
It's no big deal. Hunter Brown gets to start off in the rotation and Seth Martinez moves starts the year in the bullpen. It’s kind of a big deal when you make $17 million a year on average and your ace moved to New York. Meh. We have good depth. If we lose another couple to anything serious and I'll be worried. Right now, Lance being delayed isn't really a big deal or a surprise. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 22, 2023 13:42:32 GMT -6
It’s kind of a big deal when you make $17 million a year on average and your ace moved to New York. Meh. We have good depth. If we lose another couple to anything serious and I'll be worried. Right now, Lance being delayed isn't really a big deal or a surprise. McFragile has only had one season in his career (since 2015) where he has pitched 150 innings plus (2021- 162IP). He's on contract for 4 more years. If the O/U on McFragile having another 150IP+ season was 1.5....What say you, O or U? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2023 14:29:11 GMT -6
It’s kind of a big deal when you make $17 million a year on average and your ace moved to New York. Meh. We have good depth. If we lose another couple to anything serious and I'll be worried. Right now, Lance being delayed isn't really a big deal or a surprise. He’s supposed to be the veteran leader of the staff. He has to pull his weight instead of putting pressure on the younger guys to carry him. Oh well. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 14:46:34 GMT -6
Meh. We have good depth. If we lose another couple to anything serious and I'll be worried. Right now, Lance being delayed isn't really a big deal or a surprise. McFragile has only had one season in his career (since 2015) where he has pitched 150 innings plus (2021- 162IP). He's on contract for 4 more years. If the O/U on McFragile having another 150IP+ season was 1.5....What say you, O or U? I don't see a player suddenly getting healthier as they approach age 30, so I don't think we should expect more than 125 IP from him in any given season at this point. If he gives you 20 good starts and can win a game or two in the postseason, you're getting about as much as you should hope for. If he was able to go 150+ IP multiple years, he'd be getting paid more than $17 mil a year. I'm with Bear on I think he should be made a reliever who can make some spot starts if needed. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 14:46:56 GMT -6
Meh. We have good depth. If we lose another couple to anything serious and I'll be worried. Right now, Lance being delayed isn't really a big deal or a surprise. He’s supposed to be the veteran leader of the staff. He has to pull his weight instead of putting pressure on the younger guys to carry him. Oh well. Leaders don't have to be iron men. Look at Brantley. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 22, 2023 15:05:30 GMT -6
McFragile has only had one season in his career (since 2015) where he has pitched 150 innings plus (2021- 162IP). He's on contract for 4 more years. If the O/U on McFragile having another 150IP+ season was 1.5....What say you, O or U? I don't see a player suddenly getting healthier as they approach age 30, so I don't think we should expect more than 125 IP from him in any given season at this point. If he gives you 20 good starts and can win a game or two in the postseason, you're getting about as much as you should hope for. If he was able to go 150+ IP multiple years, he'd be getting paid more than $17 mil a year. I'm with Bear on I think he should be made a reliever who can make some spot starts if needed. I thought Lance would've been better as a reliever back when his career started, but I'm not of the opinion he should be moved to the pen. I don't think he's a good enough pitcher to make the transition. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 15:10:49 GMT -6
I don't see a player suddenly getting healthier as they approach age 30, so I don't think we should expect more than 125 IP from him in any given season at this point. If he gives you 20 good starts and can win a game or two in the postseason, you're getting about as much as you should hope for. If he was able to go 150+ IP multiple years, he'd be getting paid more than $17 mil a year. I'm with Bear on I think he should be made a reliever who can make some spot starts if needed. I thought Lance would've been better as a reliever back when his career started, but I'm not of the opinion he should be moved to the pen. I don't think he's a good enough pitcher to make the transition. Really? I think he could. I think he could be a dominant reliever. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 22, 2023 15:13:16 GMT -6
I thought Lance would've been better as a reliever back when his career started, but I'm not of the opinion he should be moved to the pen. I don't think he's a good enough pitcher to make the transition. Really? I think he could. I think he could be a dominant reliever. Maybe if we'd groomed him that way from the get-go like Milwaukee did with Hader. I think it's too late now |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 22, 2023 15:15:52 GMT -6
McCullers earning 8 figures to have stats that resemble those of a long reliever is annoying, but everyone's overpaying for pitching
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2023 16:36:25 GMT -6
McCullers earning 8 figures to have stats that resemble those of a long reliever is annoying, but everyone's overpaying for pitching Starting pitchers aren’t workhorses like they used to be. They used to be worth the money. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 22, 2023 16:48:05 GMT -6
I thought Lance would've been better as a reliever back when his career started, but I'm not of the opinion he should be moved to the pen. I don't think he's a good enough pitcher to make the transition. Really? I think he could. I think he could be a dominant reliever. It's kind of a big deal when you haven't started the season yet, and your highest paid pitcher is already having setbacks. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 22, 2023 16:53:54 GMT -6
Really? I think he could. I think he could be a dominant reliever. It's kind of a big deal when you haven't started the season yet, and your highest paid pitcher is already having setbacks. Highest paid but not most important. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 22, 2023 16:57:31 GMT -6
It's kind of a big deal when you haven't started the season yet, and your highest paid pitcher is already having setbacks. Highest paid but not most important. This is a weird argument to make. So you’re saying it’s not significant that a player paid to be a difference maker doesn’t play? |
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