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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 24, 2024 20:45:58 GMT -6
You are the man, Thomas! I could have done your procedure for free though. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 24, 2024 20:47:07 GMT -6
You are the man, Thomas! I could have done your procedure for free though. What procedure? Gender reassignment? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 24, 2024 20:47:53 GMT -6
Division champions as Drayton would say. We need to make a few smart decisions over the winter and keep our window open. The mariners are a good ball club.
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 24, 2024 20:48:23 GMT -6
You are the man, Thomas! I could have done your procedure for free though. What procedure? Gender reassignment? I hope they don't cut em off by accident. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 24, 2024 20:49:49 GMT -6
What procedure? Gender reassignment? I hope they don't cut em off by accident. lol. Seriously though, what's the procedure? Colonoscopy? |
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Post by paastrosfan on Sept 24, 2024 20:52:03 GMT -6
On hindsight, I am glad they didn't break up this team when the bad was going bad.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 24, 2024 20:54:55 GMT -6
You are the man, Thomas! I could have done your procedure for free though. What procedure? Gender reassignment? Yes, Thomasita |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Sept 24, 2024 20:56:33 GMT -6
Framber gem incoming. Astros win 4-1. So I was a few runs off and off on the Framber gem. He pitched good enough. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 24, 2024 20:58:48 GMT -6
I hope they don't cut em off by accident. lol. Seriously though, what's the procedure? Colonoscopy? Yes, you’re supposed to do it at 45 now., no longer is 50 the recommended age. My doctor has said this repeatedly for 5 years, and bc I turned 50, he was like what’s the wait now? I turned to him and said if you’re going to act like my wife, I’m going to divorce you and take 1/2 your money. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 24, 2024 21:00:24 GMT -6
What procedure? Gender reassignment? Yes, Thomasita Is that the departure or the destination? (I only tease you 'cause I like you.) |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 24, 2024 21:02:13 GMT -6
lol. Seriously though, what's the procedure? Colonoscopy? Yes, you’re supposed to do it at 45 now. So you're like 20 years late? |
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Post by koolade2 on Sept 24, 2024 21:04:59 GMT -6
Every 5-10 years after that
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 24, 2024 21:07:43 GMT -6
Yes, you’re supposed to do it at 45 now. So you're like 20 years late? If I make it to 65, I will be amazed, bc I’m sure my wife will not let that happen. And don’t make 65 seem old, Timmy can’t remember that far back for himself. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 24, 2024 21:10:01 GMT -6
Getting old sucks. But it beats the alternative.
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Post by Saint on Sept 24, 2024 21:15:02 GMT -6
So with the Invader from the North here, does JV get a start in the postseason?
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 24, 2024 21:29:08 GMT -6
So with the Invader from the North here, does JV get a start in the postseason? Not in a short series. Framber Brown Kikuchi Blanco or Verlander? |
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Post by Saint on Sept 24, 2024 21:29:49 GMT -6
So with the Invader from the North here, does JV get a start in the postseason? Not in a short series. Framber Brown Kikuchi Blanco or Verlander? I don't know if Blanco has more value in a short series as a starter or multi-use long reliever. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 24, 2024 21:31:20 GMT -6
Framber finishes his season 15-7 2.91 ERA 176 IP.
He'll be a top-3 CY finisher.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 24, 2024 21:39:32 GMT -6
So with the Invader from the North here, does JV get a start in the postseason? Personally, I don't know so I checked with Voodoo's inside source. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 24, 2024 22:14:26 GMT -6
Framber finishes his season 15-7 2.91 ERA 176 IP. He'll be a top-3 CY finisher. W/L for pitchers is kinda old school. Probably doesn't carry much weight these days. ERA, IP, IP/GS, WHIP, FIP are important. And Framber's CG makes him look pretty good, too. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Sept 24, 2024 23:11:25 GMT -6
Wooo!
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Post by Saint on Sept 25, 2024 8:02:25 GMT -6
Framber finishes his season 15-7 2.91 ERA 176 IP. He'll be a top-3 CY finisher. W/L for pitchers is kinda old school. Probably doesn't carry much weight these days. ERA, IP, IP/GS, WHIP, FIP are important. And Framber's CG makes him look pretty good, too. W/L is overvalued, but it's still an interesting stat as part of an overall basic assessment. And it still means a lot to the pitchers themselves. (Just ask JV himself trying to get to 300 Wins.) |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 25, 2024 16:23:03 GMT -6
W/L is overvalued, but it's still an interesting stat as part of an overall basic assessment. And it still means a lot to the pitchers themselves. (Just ask JV himself trying to get to 300 Wins.) You say overvalued, I say the most misleading pitching stat in the history of stats. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Example: For the 2010 season, Felix Hernandez was clearly the best starting pitcher in baseball. Most (21) of the sportswriters got it right, but 7 of them had their heads up their own asses. Why? Felix's W/L record was barely above league average, because he was pitching for a team with a shitty offense. www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2010.shtml#AL_CYA_voting_link |
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Post by Saint on Sept 26, 2024 9:27:10 GMT -6
W/L is overvalued, but it's still an interesting stat as part of an overall basic assessment. And it still means a lot to the pitchers themselves. (Just ask JV himself trying to get to 300 Wins.) You say overvalued, I say the most misleading pitching stat in the history of stats. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Example: For the 2010 season, Felix Hernandez was clearly the best starting pitcher in baseball. Most (21) of the sportswriters got it right, but 7 of them had their heads up their own asses. Why? Felix's W/L record was barely above league average, because he was pitching for a team with a shitty offense. www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2010.shtml#AL_CYA_voting_linkI get all of that. It is for sure a team-based stat. But I still don't see an issue including it with a pitcher's stat line. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Sept 26, 2024 20:09:30 GMT -6
You say overvalued, I say the most misleading pitching stat in the history of stats. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Example: For the 2010 season, Felix Hernandez was clearly the best starting pitcher in baseball. Most (21) of the sportswriters got it right, but 7 of them had their heads up their own asses. Why? Felix's W/L record was barely above league average, because he was pitching for a team with a shitty offense. www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2010.shtml#AL_CYA_voting_linkI get all of that. It is for sure a team-based stat. But I still don't see an issue including it with a pitcher's stat line. I think the argument against including it is that the very fact that it is included might give it some weight in people's eyes, when as a measure of a pitcher's individual worth it should absolutely not ever be given any weight. It's possible that we get to the point where everyone fully recognizes that it has absolutely no value and ignores it, which would truly make it not a problem, but at that point then, what would be the point of including it? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Sept 27, 2024 8:58:42 GMT -6
I get all of that. It is for sure a team-based stat. But I still don't see an issue including it with a pitcher's stat line. I think the argument against including it is that the very fact that it is included might give it some weight in people's eyes, when as a measure of a pitcher's individual worth it should absolutely not ever be given any weight. It's possible that we get to the point where everyone fully recognizes that it has absolutely no value and ignores it, which would truly make it not a problem, but at that point then, what would be the point of including it? This conversation became much more interesting. It's possible that we get to the point where everyone fully recognizes that it has absolutely no value and ignores it, which would truly make it not a problem, but at that point then, what would be the point of including it?I reckon we'll continue to see it as part a pitcher's stat line. I can cite the reason in one word: Tradition.
when as a measure of a pitcher's individual worth it should absolutely not ever be given any weight.I can think of one specific instance where pitchers W/L might be somewhat useful. When comparing pitchers from the same team during the same season. It's still flawed but at least the effect of the rest of the team gets mostly averaged out. In most cases, it's a horrible stat. Even worse than "save" stat for relief pitchers. |
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