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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 5, 2018 17:59:59 GMT -6
I agree that portions of the population such as Quakers and hardcore abolitionists like John Brown were very opposed to slavery, but the North was largely indifferent to it.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 5, 2018 18:39:52 GMT -6
actually .. everything I've read suggests folks living in that time were exactly like folks living today. Slavery was the number one political issue in every newspaper
and discussion. Everyone North and South knew slavery was wrong. The way they justified it was they couldn't envision the society they were all born into being
totally upended by abolishing it. At the same time, being religious folk they knew that if there was a just God, they were going to pay for what they were doing. Most
living at the time truly believed the horror of the Civil War was God's wrath upon them
What someone said earlier about the North is very important. They may have feigned indifference, but they were just as guilty as the South. Northern shipyards, banks
and insurance companies all profited from racial slavery. And free Blacks in the North were relegated to the status of children at the time. Laws prevented them from
being outside after 9:00 without an escort, meeting in groups of more than three … etc. etc.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 5, 2018 22:02:32 GMT -6
I find it odd that I saw a black women today blabbering against Trump for "racist policies" while she wore shirt that said "White Supremacy is terrorism".......Here this idiot is a democrat blasting Trump. I suppose she's too stupid to know that most "white Supremeists' are DEMOCRATS. The KKK was organized by demcocrats and made up predominantly by democrats. Democrats enacted and backed Jim Crow laws, voted against abolishing slavery, voted against giving blacks the right to vote, and, voted against the Civil Rights Act. Yet these dumbasses keep voting democrat.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 5, 2018 23:48:13 GMT -6
Sherwin is correct about the expansionist effect...had it not been for Kansas and whatever the other new territory was coming into the union, the debate of slavery would have remained just that...a debate. The fear from the north of the new states being slave states and the fear in the south of those same states being non-slave (and likely leading to enhanced pressure to eliminate slavey nationwide) led to the rancor becoming more volatile. Then, when Lincoln was elected, secession and war were inevitable.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 5, 2018 23:51:36 GMT -6
Jefferson said slavery was like holding a wolf by its ears...you didn’t like it, but you didn’t dare let it go.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 6, 2018 0:07:59 GMT -6
Jefferson said slavery was like holding a wolf by its ears...you didn’t like it, but you didn’t dare let it go. Oh, we sure know why Jefferson didn’t want to free his slaves. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 0:49:59 GMT -6
Sherwin is correct about the expansionist effect...had it not been for Kansas and whatever the other new territory was coming into the union, the debate of slavery would have remained just that...a debate. The fear from the north of the new states being slave states and the fear in the south of those same states being non-slave (and likely leading to enhanced pressure to eliminate slavey nationwide) led to the rancor becoming more volatile. Then, when Lincoln was elected, secession and war were inevitable. What is also interesting is that outside the deep south cotton states.... LA, AL, MS, GA, SC, there was quite a large amount of ambivalency toward the slavery issue. States live VA, NC, TN, KY, AR, MO were more driven by a distaste of a centralized federal authority 100's of miles from their home dictating how their lives were being governed, usurping their state legislation, than whether slaves could be kept. I add the point that of 7 of my direct ancestors who fought in TWBS, only one owned slaves. States rights meant a hell of lot more to them. Then add the fact that Lincoln called up a 75,000 man invasion force after Sumpter. Well..... anyone sane person is going to heed the call to arms, when a foreign invader (which is a fact what it was) cascades across the Potomac bayonets blazing ahead. There was wide speculation that the border states (mentioned earlier) may not have even voted for secession , if Lincoln had not go on the offensive. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 6, 2018 12:59:23 GMT -6
What I found interesting was that the Civil War allegedly wasn’t taken seriously at first. People would watch, as spectators, some battles at first such as the first Bull Run.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 13:09:39 GMT -6
Very true. Hill gawking was pretty common until Antietam. After that, everyone knew it was going to be protracted blood bath and not theatre.
Even to this day it is the bloodiest day in United States history. Close to 4000 died if I remember.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 6, 2018 18:02:05 GMT -6
Contemporaries thought it'd just last a short time. They were not prepared for the 4 years of 30-40% attrition.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 6, 2018 18:03:35 GMT -6
Very true. Hill gawking was pretty common until Antietam. After that, everyone knew it was going to be protracted blood bath and not theatre. Even to this day it is the bloodiest day in United States history. Close to 4000 died if I remember. 23000 dead, wounded or missing in a 1 day battle. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 7, 2018 22:59:22 GMT -6
I’m on a perpetual hunt for a nice leather bound set of books, Mary Chesnut’s Civil War Diary. I’ve only found one set of the originals...in Victoria, BC Canada...and the dude had them priced about $1000 more than they’re worth. I might have to settle for a modern reprint by the Easton Press.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 0:01:51 GMT -6
I’m on a perpetual hunt for a nice leather bound set of books, Mary Chesnut’s Civil War Diary. I’ve only found one set of the originals...in Victoria, BC Canada...and the dude had them priced about $1000 more than they’re worth. I might have to settle for a modern reprint by the Easton Press. I checked Abe Books, and many many books by the lady on the topic of her diary (and more). There are several Rare Books dealers who can put out feelers, but I am pretty sure you've taken that avenue. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 8, 2018 0:20:08 GMT -6
For some reason, these books (in leather) as well as the leather version of Churchill’s History of the English-Speaking Peoples are always for sale at hundreds of dollars (or more) above their value.
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