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Post by olpapa on Jul 17, 2018 11:05:11 GMT -6
I was listening to a guy on sports talk radio this morning who says he thinks that the exaggerated shifts on defense in baseball are hurting the game...in particularly the power hitters who are dead pull hitters. He suggested this could be part of the reason for Bryce Harper’s bad numbers this year. He suggested that a rule should be implemented that would permit only 2 infielders to the right or left side of second base. What do you guys/gals think. Should such a rule be implemented or not? Do you think such a rule will be implemented?
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 17, 2018 11:18:36 GMT -6
I doubt a rule to ban the shift is implemented,but, I am totally in favor of it. I hate the shift.
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Post by sempersmom on Jul 17, 2018 11:29:20 GMT -6
The hitter needs to adjust. That's the only way to get past the shift.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 17, 2018 13:05:04 GMT -6
The hitter needs to adjust. That's the only way to get past the shift. Agreed that they need to learn to beat the shift. A good major league hitter can learn to do it, but, some are too stubborn to try. I also wish the shift was banned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 14:00:58 GMT -6
I was listening to a guy on sports talk radio this morning who says he thinks that the exaggerated shifts on defense in baseball are hurting the game...in particularly the power hitters who are dead pull hitters. He suggested this could be part of the reason for Bryce Harper’s bad numbers this year. He suggested that a rule should be implemented that would permit only 2 infielders to the right or left side of second base. What do you guys/gals think. Should such a rule be implemented or not? Do you think such a rule will be implemented? I agree with earlier posters who state that it is up to the hitter to up his game, and learn to beat his shift. I really hate anytime the game rules or being tinkered with. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 17, 2018 14:10:49 GMT -6
I was listening to a guy on sports talk radio this morning who says he thinks that the exaggerated shifts on defense in baseball are hurting the game...in particularly the power hitters who are dead pull hitters. He suggested this could be part of the reason for Bryce Harper’s bad numbers this year. He suggested that a rule should be implemented that would permit only 2 infielders to the right or left side of second base. What do you guys/gals think. Should such a rule be implemented or not? Do you think such a rule will be implemented? That would limit the shift, but still allow for somebody to stand an inch to the side of 2nd base. The hitter still has to adjust somewhat. I look at it the same way I do with the hacking poor free throw shooters. Why are we giving the flawed athletes a handicap? Get better. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 17, 2018 15:27:46 GMT -6
I was listening to a guy on sports talk radio this morning who says he thinks that the exaggerated shifts on defense in baseball are hurting the game...in particularly the power hitters who are dead pull hitters. He suggested this could be part of the reason for Bryce Harper’s bad numbers this year. He suggested that a rule should be implemented that would permit only 2 infielders to the right or left side of second base. What do you guys/gals think. Should such a rule be implemented or not? Do you think such a rule will be implemented? With all the hype of launch angles, sooner or later it should sink in on taking the free hit when they are giving a good shot of 90 feet on either side of the diamond. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 17, 2018 15:29:13 GMT -6
I was listening to a guy on sports talk radio this morning who says he thinks that the exaggerated shifts on defense in baseball are hurting the game...in particularly the power hitters who are dead pull hitters. He suggested this could be part of the reason for Bryce Harper’s bad numbers this year. He suggested that a rule should be implemented that would permit only 2 infielders to the right or left side of second base. What do you guys/gals think. Should such a rule be implemented or not? Do you think such a rule will be implemented? That would limit the shift, but still allow for somebody to stand an inch to the side of 2nd base. The hitter still has to adjust somewhat. I look at it the same way I do with the hacking poor free throw shooters. Why are we giving the flawed athletes a handicap? Get better. ***** Right??? |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 17, 2018 15:38:15 GMT -6
The hitter needs to adjust. That's the only way to get past the shift. The guy on the sport talk program made a valid point...., fans don’t come to the ballpark to see power hitters going away from their strength by hitting the ball to the opposite field to beat the shift, or to see them hit the ball hard to the pull side only to have would be hit(s) taken away by one of the 3 infielders stacked to the pull side of second or positioned in shallow LF or shallow RF. They come to see the ball fly out of the park and see runners circling the bases. If MLB ever determines that the shifts are taking away from the excitement of the game for the fans and causing fans to begin to lose interest, I could see MLB banning the exaggerated shifts that have become common in recent years. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 17, 2018 15:44:53 GMT -6
Then they should quit complaining about peds.
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Post by sempersmom on Jul 17, 2018 16:25:08 GMT -6
The hitter needs to adjust. That's the only way to get past the shift. The guy on the sport talk program made a valid point...., fans don’t come to the ballpark to see power hitters going away from their strength by hitting the ball to the opposite field to beat the shift, or to see them hit the ball hard to the pull side only to have would be hit(s) taken away by one of the 3 infielders stacked to the pull side of second or positioned in shallow LF or shallow RF. They come to see the ball fly out of the park and see runners circling the bases. If MLB ever determines that the shifts are taking away from the excitement of the game for the fans and causing fans to begin to lose interest, I could see MLB banning the exaggerated shifts that have become common in recent years. I don't agree with that point. I come to watch a good, competitive game. HRs are fun but I prefer a pitching duel. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 17, 2018 16:40:46 GMT -6
The hitter needs to adjust. That's the only way to get past the shift. The guy on the sport talk program made a valid point...., fans don’t come to the ballpark to see power hitters going away from their strength by hitting the ball to the opposite field to beat the shift, or to see them hit the ball hard to the pull side only to have would be hit(s) taken away by one of the 3 infielders stacked to the pull side of second or positioned in shallow LF or shallow RF. They come to see the ball fly out of the park and see runners circling the bases. If MLB ever determines that the shifts are taking away from the excitement of the game for the fans and causing fans to begin to lose interest, I could see MLB banning the exaggerated shifts that have become common in recent years. The offense certainly isn't hurting across baseball. 59+ HR guys? Not so much, but there are more 20+ and 30+ guys than ever before. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 17, 2018 17:34:06 GMT -6
The guy on the sport talk program made a valid point...., fans don’t come to the ballpark to see power hitters going away from their strength by hitting the ball to the opposite field to beat the shift, or to see them hit the ball hard to the pull side only to have would be hit(s) taken away by one of the 3 infielders stacked to the pull side of second or positioned in shallow LF or shallow RF. They come to see the ball fly out of the park and see runners circling the bases. If MLB ever determines that the shifts are taking away from the excitement of the game for the fans and causing fans to begin to lose interest, I could see MLB banning the exaggerated shifts that have become common in recent years. I don't agree with that point. I come to watch a good, competitive game. HRs are fun but I prefer a pitching duel. I enjoy a pitchers’ duel too. I enjoy watching teams play small ball.., baserunner stealing second.., batter hitting behind the runner to move him over.., suicide squeeze to get a runner home.., that kind of thing. I think most folks who have been a fan of the game for years enjoy that kind of baseball as well as the home runs. Sadly, I’m afraid that you and I are of a dying breed of baseball fan. It seems that the majority of the younger generation of fans coming to the ball park nowadays prefer the slow pitch softball approach to the game where every batter comes to the plate swinging from his heels and trying to knock the ball out of the park. Not much strategy involved in that. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 17, 2018 17:49:23 GMT -6
I was listening to a guy on sports talk radio this morning who says he thinks that the exaggerated shifts on defense in baseball are hurting the game...in particularly the power hitters who are dead pull hitters. He suggested this could be part of the reason for Bryce Harper’s bad numbers this year. He suggested that a rule should be implemented that would permit only 2 infielders to the right or left side of second base. What do you guys/gals think. Should such a rule be implemented or not? Do you think such a rule will be implemented? No, the only defensive alignment that I think should be banned is one where defenders stand closer than 40 feet from home plate. Imagine a little league game where, for example, 6 kids decide they are going to stand in a horseshoe alignment around the hitter, leaving a lane for the pitcher to throw the ball. True, the ball probably wouldn't travel far, but the chances of kids getting hit by the ball are high. Other than that, let the defenders stand where they think they are most likely to get outs. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 17, 2018 17:51:06 GMT -6
Pitchers should be allowed to use pine tar to get a better grip on the ball, just as batters can use it to get a better grip on the bat.
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Post by marshall on Jul 18, 2018 8:14:23 GMT -6
NEVER. The players will adjust eventually to shifts the way Ted Williams did when they used a shift on him. It"s nothing new to shift. We just haven't trained players to beat them yet. The emphasis is on exit velocity instead of placement. That will change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 8:18:27 GMT -6
NEVER. The players will adjust eventually to shifts the way Ted Williams did when they used a shift on him. It"s nothing new to shift. We just haven't trained players to beat them yet. The emphasis is on exit velocity instead of placement. That will change. Thus why we are inundated with bogus stats like HR distance, batted ball exit velocity, instead of good 'ol batting average. Good players find ways to get hits. I give it 5 years, and we'll somehow see those get factored into WAR somehow. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 18, 2018 9:03:27 GMT -6
NEVER. The players will adjust eventually to shifts the way Ted Williams did when they used a shift on him. It"s nothing new to shift. We just haven't trained players to beat them yet. The emphasis is on exit velocity instead of placement. That will change. Thus why we are inundated with bogus stats like HR distance, batted ball exit velocity, instead of good 'ol batting average. Good players find ways to get hits. I give it 5 years, and we'll somehow see those get factored into WAR somehow. Don’t forget that MLB is trying to market the game to a younger generation...a generation that is all into the home run derby approach to baseball...a generation that has grown up with their faces planted in their video games with all the non-stop action. They are into instant gratification. They get bored easily if something exciting isn’t bursting forth before their eyes constantly. These are the people who Manfred is trying to lure to the ballpark and pacify once he gets them there. They are a big part of the reason for the push to speed up the game and to shorten the length of the game should it go into extra innings. A rule has already been implemented in the minor leagues that calls for a free runner to be placed at second base at the beginning of every inning after the ninth inning in order to shorten extra inning games. You can bet that rule is under consideration for implementation in MLB. I never thought I would ever see a rule like that imposed in pro baseball, but it has been. You can bet that if the shifts eventually result in a less exciting game for the fans, MLB will have no problem with banning them. |
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Post by marshall on Jul 18, 2018 11:55:58 GMT -6
Thus why we are inundated with bogus stats like HR distance, batted ball exit velocity, instead of good 'ol batting average. Good players find ways to get hits. I give it 5 years, and we'll somehow see those get factored into WAR somehow. Don’t forget that MLB is trying to market the game to a younger generation...a generation that is all into the home run derby approach to baseball...a generation that has grown up with their faces planted in their video games with all the non-stop action. They are into instant gratification. They get bored easily if something exciting isn’t bursting forth before their eyes constantly. These are the people who Manfred is trying to lure to the ballpark and pacify once he gets them there. They are a big part of the reason for the push to speed up the game and to shorten the length of the game should it go into extra innings. A rule has already been implemented in the minor leagues that calls for a free runner to be placed at second base at the beginning of every inning after the ninth inning in order to shorten extra inning games. You can bet that rule is under consideration for implementation in MLB. I never thought I would ever see a rule like that imposed in pro baseball, but it has been. You can bet that if the shifts eventually result in a less exciting game for the fans, MLB will have no problem with banning them. If they ignore the tradition, then just casually mention those shifts SPEED UP THE GAME!
Besides,we all know that the biggest drag on the game time is mandatory commercial breaks.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 18, 2018 11:58:20 GMT -6
NEVER. The players will adjust eventually to shifts the way Ted Williams did when they used a shift on him. It"s nothing new to shift. We just haven't trained players to beat them yet. The emphasis is on exit velocity instead of placement. That will change. Thus why we are inundated with bogus stats like HR distance, batted ball exit velocity, instead of good 'ol batting average. Good players find ways to get hits. I give it 5 years, and we'll somehow see those get factored into WAR somehow. There will be some BABIP stat shift.... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 18, 2018 11:59:31 GMT -6
Instead of being a plus for a baseball player being a Switch Hitter, the new thing will be a Shift Hitter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 12:19:50 GMT -6
My old eyes were playing tricks. I thought you said shit shifter.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 18, 2018 12:22:08 GMT -6
Besides,we all know that the biggest drag on the game time is mandatory commercial breaks.
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2018 12:31:07 GMT -6
All sports have mutated over the years to keep things interesting. It sucks at first but most fans normally adjust
I remember everybody losing their shit when we were getting moved to the AL. Now most people don't think twice.
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Post by bullshark81 on Jul 18, 2018 12:33:12 GMT -6
Why do we keep trying to change the greatest game ever. Leave it alone and adjust.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 18, 2018 12:36:52 GMT -6
Why do we keep trying to change the greatest game ever. Leave it alone and adjust. I agree. |
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Post by marshall on Jul 18, 2018 13:26:44 GMT -6
All sports have mutated over the years to keep things interesting. It sucks at first but most fans normally adjust I remember everybody losing their shit when we were getting moved to the AL. Now most people don't think twice. I'm certainly not "most" people as you define it. The problem with "most" people is that the sample is invariably skewed toward those who share your views. Just ask media polsters about that little problem. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2018 13:34:15 GMT -6
All sports have mutated over the years to keep things interesting. It sucks at first but most fans normally adjust I remember everybody losing their shit when we were getting moved to the AL. Now most people don't think twice. I'm certainly not "most" people as you define it. The problem with "most" people is that the sample is invariably skewed toward those who share your views. Just ask media polsters about that little problem. Most people that claim they aren't "most" people, normally are. Everybody wants to think their special or "different". Nobody is special. |
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Post by marshall on Jul 18, 2018 15:45:54 GMT -6
I'm certainly not "most" people as you define it. The problem with "most" people is that the sample is invariably skewed toward those who share your views. Just ask media polsters about that little problem. Most people that claim they aren't "most" people, normally are. Everybody wants to think their special or "different". Nobody is special. So your saying our uniqueness is not special? Because we're all unique? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 18, 2018 19:41:23 GMT -6
Most people that claim they aren't "most" people, normally are. Everybody wants to think their special or "different". Nobody is special. So your saying our uniqueness is not special? Because we're all unique? We're not really. |
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