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Post by Saint on Apr 3, 2018 11:08:21 GMT -6
Can anybody think of a better all-around team than this that we've ever had to start a season?
We've had some good teams that got better during the season with trades (1998), but to start a year? I don't think we've ever had this good.
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 3, 2018 11:12:14 GMT -6
The 1493 Houston Astros were very promising.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 3, 2018 11:37:16 GMT -6
This is the best team we have ever had. Both starting pitching and line-up.
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Post by paastrosfan on Apr 3, 2018 13:45:37 GMT -6
Can anybody think of a better all-around team than this that we've ever had to start a season? We've had some good teams that got better during the season with trades (1998), but to start a year? I don't think we've ever had this good. To start the season, but the 98 team had some good players, three future hall of famers, when Johnson was added. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/1998-roster.shtml |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 3, 2018 14:00:31 GMT -6
People forget what a great acquisition Moises Alou was. That guy was a pure hitter.
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Post by talshill on Apr 3, 2018 14:14:53 GMT -6
I hate to say this because you never know what can happen, but this is not only the best start-of-year team the Astros have ever had, but it could well be one of the best teams assembled. Period. I wouldn't say number one, but top 15-20 is doable. IF they can live up their promise, they have a chance to be historically good.
Now watch them go 81-81.
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Post by talshill on Apr 3, 2018 14:15:08 GMT -6
Double post.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 3, 2018 14:38:28 GMT -6
The 1493 Houston Astros were very promising. Those Astros set up by the sailors of the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria?  |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 3, 2018 14:48:43 GMT -6
This is pure statistical speculation, but fun nonetheless: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/complete-history-of-mlb/ (select "Astros" from the drrop-down menu) This system tries to map the relative strength of each MLB franchise over the course of its history. For Houston, the high points would be 1998 (which was strongest in September of that year), but also 1981, 1986, 1995, and 2005. Relative to other MLB teams at the time, the 1973 team was also quite strong. The tear-down and subsequent rapid build-up of the franchise under Luhnow's leadership is amazing to see depicted graphically. Had it not been done, I imagine the Astros would have just plodded along playing ball that was sligtly better than .500. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Apr 3, 2018 14:54:33 GMT -6
This is pure statistical speculation, but fun nonetheless: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/complete-history-of-mlb/ (select "Astros" from the drrop-down menu) This system tries to map the relative strength of each MLB franchise over the course of its history. For Houston, the high points would be 1998 (which was strongest in September of that year), but also 1981, 1986, 1995, and 2005. Relative to other MLB teams at the time, the 1973 team was also quite strong. The tear-down and subsequent rapid build-up of the franchise under Luhnow's leadership is amazing to see depicted graphically. Had it not been done, I imagine the Astros would have just plodded along playing ball that was sligtly better than .500. The last article on "Can the Phillies rebuild like the Cubs and Astros and Win", not even playing a home game yet, Kapler's head is on the block with the fans and press. If they have a bad April, there are not going to be many happy campers in the City of Brotherly Love. |
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Post by olpapa on Apr 3, 2018 16:49:20 GMT -6
Can anybody think of a better all-around team than this that we've ever had to start a season? We've had some good teams that got better during the season with trades (1998), but to start a year? I don't think we've ever had this good. This is the best team Houston has ever had to start a season. Best starting rotation ever. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 3, 2018 18:43:12 GMT -6
The 1493 Houston Astros were very promising. That 1493 team couldn't beat the Indians.... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 4, 2018 8:35:40 GMT -6
Those Astros set up by the sailors of the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria? After we drove the Moors out of Granada, the team used that momentum to field a playoff caliber baseball team. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 4, 2018 8:36:59 GMT -6
That 1493 team couldn't beat the Indians.... But back then you could run over middle infielders and catchers. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 4, 2018 8:41:10 GMT -6
The last article on "Can the Phillies rebuild like the Cubs and Astros and Win", not even playing a home game yet, Kapler's head is on the block with the fans and press. If they have a bad April, there are not going to be many happy campers in the City of Brotherly Love. Just because Kapler can do some heavy lifting at the gym doesn’t mean he’ll be a great manager. I guess the Phillies feel that since guys like Hinch are relatively young, they can use a younger manager. The Boone hiring was questionable as well. |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 4, 2018 11:02:12 GMT -6
awful big risk they took firing Girardi when they had a good clubhouse and the players liked him
Kapler reminds me of when Wade hired Bowa to manage the Phillies and he lasted one season
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Post by paastrosfan on Apr 4, 2018 12:27:48 GMT -6
The last article on "Can the Phillies rebuild like the Cubs and Astros and Win", not even playing a home game yet, Kapler's head is on the block with the fans and press. If they have a bad April, there are not going to be many happy campers in the City of Brotherly Love. Just because Kapler can do some heavy lifting at the gym doesn’t mean he’ll be a great manager. I guess the Phillies feel that since guys like Hinch are relatively young, they can use a younger manager. The Boone hiring was questionable as well. With both Boone and Kapler having no managerial experience and in tough markets, these guys are going to get toasted. |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 4, 2018 16:46:54 GMT -6
No love for 2008? That was the year we got a new GM who added Tejada, Valverde, Randy Wolf and Jose Cruz Jr to the roster. The board was pretty excited the way that team looked on paper at the time
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Post by olpapa on Apr 4, 2018 16:57:18 GMT -6
awful big risk they took firing Girardi when they had a good clubhouse and the players liked him
Kapler reminds me of when Wade hired Bowa to manage the Phillies and he lasted one season
I’m wondering if Showalter will survive this season. I was mildly surprised when he wasn’t canned after he left Britton on the pine in the wildcard game loss to the Blue Jays in 2016. |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 4, 2018 17:04:22 GMT -6
I was just wonderin if the Blue Jays would try to get Farrell back if Gibbons doesn't show somethin this season
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 4, 2018 19:28:41 GMT -6
No love for 2008? That was the year we got a new GM who added Tejada, Valverde, Randy Wolf and Jose Cruz Jr to the roster. The board was pretty excited the way that team looked on paper at the time
The only flashy move that year was Tejada, and that seemed a bit iffy considering how many players the Astros had to fork over to Angelos. Drayton had a chubby for him since that Berkman vs. Tejada HRD at Minute Maid back in ‘04 and didn’t care about the mediocre final years he had in Baltimore (for a premier slugger) before the trade. The whole age scandal was the final dirt thrown in the owner’s eyes. |
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Post by m240 on Apr 4, 2018 20:26:45 GMT -6
when comparing the 98, 08, and 18 teams the biggest thing that stands out to me is that the 18 team has no discernible weaknesses. The other two teams though strong had weaknesses that proved fatal.
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 4, 2018 21:06:00 GMT -6
when comparing the 98, 08, and 18 teams the biggest thing that stands out to me is that the 18 team has no discernible weaknesses. The other two teams though strong had weaknesses that proved fatal. No true closer |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 4, 2018 22:10:15 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 5, 2018 5:22:29 GMT -6
I was implying the current team does not have a true closer. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 5, 2018 5:53:43 GMT -6
I can’t remember if Brad Lidge was still here in ‘08, or was that José “Papa Grande” Valverde? I think that was the season we weren’t supposed to have a winning record. That was impressive.
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Post by olpapa on Apr 5, 2018 6:28:12 GMT -6
Through 7 games Bregman is batting .200, Marwin is batting .208, Springer is batting .214, Fisher is batting .214 and Yuli will soon replace Davis’s .071..., yet the team is 6-1. That has got to be scary to the rest of the teams around the league.
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Post by m240 on Apr 5, 2018 7:31:05 GMT -6
I can’t remember if Brad Lidge was still here in ‘08, or was that José “Papa Grande” Valverde? I think that was the season we weren’t supposed to have a winning record. That was impressive. It was Valverde. I think that was the year he signed as a free agent for 4-5 million. |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 5, 2018 8:35:32 GMT -6
Through 7 games Bregman is batting .200, Marwin is batting .208, Springer is batting .214, Fisher is batting .214 |
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Post by m240 on Apr 5, 2018 9:33:55 GMT -6
when comparing the 98, 08, and 18 teams the biggest thing that stands out to me is that the 18 team has no discernible weaknesses. The other two teams though strong had weaknesses that proved fatal. No true closer I do not think that a true closer is mandatory for winning the world series. |
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