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Post by bannedfan on May 12, 2019 17:18:04 GMT -6
And they lose 5-1.
6 1/2 game lead.
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 8:17:34 GMT -6
Because White had a good game yesterday. Springer dinger! Holla at yo boy Kemp getting a week’s worth of Tyler White production in one game. Yeah he had a really good game. Even with that game he's not having as good a year as White, and everybody wants White gone. What does that say? Besides, I don't want to get rid of Kemp either because I think he provides some depth we might need. As good as this team is rolling right now, I don't want to get rid of anybody. Other than trading for a pitcher or two, I don't think we should mess with this team at all. You're the one that can't seem to handle the fact that roleplayers aren't all going to be amazing.  |
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Post by abregmanfan on May 13, 2019 8:55:59 GMT -6
Holla at yo boy Kemp getting a week’s worth of Tyler White production in one game. Yeah he had a really good game. Even with that game he's not having as good a year as White, and everybody wants White gone. What does that say? Besides, I don't want to get rid of Kemp either because I think he provides some depth we might need. As good as this team is rolling right now, I don't want to get rid of anybody. Other than trading for a pitcher or two, I don't think we should mess with this team at all. You're the one that can't seem to handle the fact that roleplayers aren't all going to be amazing. If we trade for a pitcher or two, who is off the team? |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 13, 2019 9:15:59 GMT -6
Holla at yo boy Kemp getting a week’s worth of Tyler White production in one game. Yeah he had a really good game. Even with that game he's not having as good a year as White, and everybody wants White gone. What does that say? Besides, I don't want to get rid of Kemp either because I think he provides some depth we might need. As good as this team is rolling right now, I don't want to get rid of anybody. Other than trading for a pitcher or two, I don't think we should mess with this team at all. You're the one that can't seem to handle the fact that roleplayers aren't all going to be amazing. I was pulling for White to get a hit yesterday, but then he did what he usually does and walked back to the dugout after his at-bat. And how is White that much better than Kemp? Walks aren’t everything. |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 9:21:08 GMT -6
Yeah he had a really good game. Even with that game he's not having as good a year as White, and everybody wants White gone. What does that say? Besides, I don't want to get rid of Kemp either because I think he provides some depth we might need. As good as this team is rolling right now, I don't want to get rid of anybody. Other than trading for a pitcher or two, I don't think we should mess with this team at all. You're the one that can't seem to handle the fact that roleplayers aren't all going to be amazing. If we trade for a pitcher or two, who is off the team? Lesser pitchers. Right now I'd say Devo and Framber or James could be demoted to AAA. |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 9:22:01 GMT -6
Yeah he had a really good game. Even with that game he's not having as good a year as White, and everybody wants White gone. What does that say? Besides, I don't want to get rid of Kemp either because I think he provides some depth we might need. As good as this team is rolling right now, I don't want to get rid of anybody. Other than trading for a pitcher or two, I don't think we should mess with this team at all. You're the one that can't seem to handle the fact that roleplayers aren't all going to be amazing. I was pulling for White to get a hit yesterday, but then he did what he usually does and walked back to the dugout after his at-bat. If it was easy to be successful while starting only 1 game out of every 3, all teams would have A+ benches. |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 9:29:13 GMT -6
Yeah he had a really good game. Even with that game he's not having as good a year as White, and everybody wants White gone. What does that say? Besides, I don't want to get rid of Kemp either because I think he provides some depth we might need. As good as this team is rolling right now, I don't want to get rid of anybody. Other than trading for a pitcher or two, I don't think we should mess with this team at all. You're the one that can't seem to handle the fact that roleplayers aren't all going to be amazing. I was pulling for White to get a hit yesterday, but then he did what he usually does and walked back to the dugout after his at-bat. And how is White that much better than Kemp? Walks aren’t everything. Tyler White has a better OPS and Runs Created. Which isn't saying much since they're both struggling. But at least one of them has a percentage out of the normal slash rates that is above average... And before you say Kemp has more defensive versatility, I'm sure White could suck defensively at just as many positions as Kemp sucks if the Astros needed him to. In any case, it doesn't need to be an argument between them. They're both struggling but they're both depth players that have had success in the past, so I don't want to lose them if we don't have to. Especially when we're getting to the point of the season where we could likely start seeing more injuries. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 13, 2019 9:31:54 GMT -6
I was pulling for White to get a hit yesterday, but then he did what he usually does and walked back to the dugout after his at-bat. And how is White that much better than Kemp? Walks aren’t everything. Tyler White has a better OPS and Runs Created. Which isn't saying much since they're both struggling. But at least one of them has a percentage out of the normal slash rates that is above average... And before you say Kemp has more defensive versatility, I'm sure White could suck defensively at just as many positions as Kemp sucks if the Astros needed him to. In any case, it doesn't need to be an argument between them. They're both struggling but they're both depth players that have had success in the past, so I don't want to lose them if we don't have to. Especially when we're getting to the point of the season where we could likely start seeing more injuries. Do you feel as if White can be another J.D. Martinez if released? |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 9:51:05 GMT -6
Tyler White has a better OPS and Runs Created. Which isn't saying much since they're both struggling. But at least one of them has a percentage out of the normal slash rates that is above average... And before you say Kemp has more defensive versatility, I'm sure White could suck defensively at just as many positions as Kemp sucks if the Astros needed him to. In any case, it doesn't need to be an argument between them. They're both struggling but they're both depth players that have had success in the past, so I don't want to lose them if we don't have to. Especially when we're getting to the point of the season where we could likely start seeing more injuries. Do you feel as if White can be another J.D. Martinez if released? I would seriously doubt that he could be that good. But could he be maybe a 25 HR 125 OPS+ for a low amount of money for a couple years? Yeah, I think he could. Up until this season he was a 112 OPS+ hitter with 8 HR 27 RBI in 58 Games per year on average. Even if he just played 100-120 games and hit 12-15 HR with 60ish RBI while being a 112ish OPS+ hitter he'd easily be worth a million or two a season. I don't know if he can do any of that or not, but he was a productive part-time player for us before this season so I think he deserves some time to see. With the way we're playing, we have the luxury of not needing to be rushing up prospects and giving up on depth players that might still have value. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 13, 2019 13:09:29 GMT -6
Do you feel as if White can be another J.D. Martinez if released? I would seriously doubt that he could be that good. But could he be maybe a 25 HR 125 OPS+ for a low amount of money for a couple years? Yeah, I think he could. Up until this season he was a 112 OPS+ hitter with 8 HR 27 RBI in 58 Games per year on average. Even if he just played 100-120 games and hit 12-15 HR with 60ish RBI while being a 112ish OPS+ hitter he'd easily be worth a million or two a season. I don't know if he can do any of that or not, but he was a productive part-time player for us before this season so I think he deserves some time to see. With the way we're playing, we have the luxury of not needing to be rushing up prospects and giving up on depth players that might still have value. Well, he better out-slug Kemp first. |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 13:16:10 GMT -6
I would seriously doubt that he could be that good. But could he be maybe a 25 HR 125 OPS+ for a low amount of money for a couple years? Yeah, I think he could. Up until this season he was a 112 OPS+ hitter with 8 HR 27 RBI in 58 Games per year on average. Even if he just played 100-120 games and hit 12-15 HR with 60ish RBI while being a 112ish OPS+ hitter he'd easily be worth a million or two a season. I don't know if he can do any of that or not, but he was a productive part-time player for us before this season so I think he deserves some time to see. With the way we're playing, we have the luxury of not needing to be rushing up prospects and giving up on depth players that might still have value. Well, he better out-slug Kemp first. It's not going to matter. One or both of them will be gone in June, I believe. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 13, 2019 13:16:57 GMT -6
Well, he better out-slug Kemp first. It's not going to matter. One or both of them will be gone in June, I believe. It kind of has to happen. |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 13:18:49 GMT -6
It's not going to matter. One or both of them will be gone in June, I believe. It kind of has to happen. It doesn't HAVE to happen. But, if it does, I hope we can get something for them rather than losing them for nothing. Even if it's just cash consideration. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 13, 2019 13:31:35 GMT -6
It kind of has to happen. It doesn't HAVE to happen. But, if it does, I hope we can get something for them rather than losing them for nothing. Even if it's just cash consideration. You’ve got to give Alvarez the chance to show what he can do. You start by getting rid of one of them whether by trade or the other avenue. White has shown he hasn’t deserved a spot on the team. If he worked harder over the offseason and shed at least some weight, that would’ve shown us something. Instead, he’s fatter and can’t hit home runs. Kemp at least has sporadically shown his worth through effort and results. I don’t want to hear about what White did last season or what he can potentially do. He’s not producing now. Alvarez is producing now. Just because White can take Ball 4 doesn’t make much of a difference when part of his job is to drive in runs. |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 13:38:23 GMT -6
It doesn't HAVE to happen. But, if it does, I hope we can get something for them rather than losing them for nothing. Even if it's just cash consideration. You’ve got to give Alvarez the chance to show what he can do. You start by getting rid of one of them whether by trade or the other avenue. White has shown he hasn’t deserved a spot on the team. If he worked harder over the offseason and shed at least some weight, that would’ve shown us something. Instead, he’s fatter and can’t hit home runs. Kemp at least has sporadically shown his worth through effort and results. I don’t want to hear about what White did last season or what he can potentially do. He’s not producing now. Alvarez is producing now. Just because White can take Ball 4 doesn’t make much of a difference when part of his job is to drive in runs. Alvarez will get his chance anyways. Somebody will get hurt regardless of what Kemp or White does. "White has shown he hasn’t deserved a spot on the team." And that's what it comes down to with White. Based on his previous production to this year (and his cost), I believe he does deserve a spot on this team and a chance to prove himself. If he doesn't improve with another month or so I wouldn't want to keep him, but we don't have to be in a rush. He should have been getting more consistent playing time, imo, to give him a good chance, but they're using the DH spot to rest Springer a lot instead. (And it's hard to argue with Springer's results with that plan.) Alvarez would likely receive only modest consistent playing time and I don't think he should be sitting no the bench 4-5 games a week. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 13, 2019 13:40:18 GMT -6
You’ve got to give Alvarez the chance to show what he can do. You start by getting rid of one of them whether by trade or the other avenue. White has shown he hasn’t deserved a spot on the team. If he worked harder over the offseason and shed at least some weight, that would’ve shown us something. Instead, he’s fatter and can’t hit home runs. Kemp at least has sporadically shown his worth through effort and results. I don’t want to hear about what White did last season or what he can potentially do. He’s not producing now. Alvarez is producing now. Just because White can take Ball 4 doesn’t make much of a difference when part of his job is to drive in runs. Alvarez will get his chance anyways. Somebody will get hurt regardless of what Kemp or White does. "White has shown he hasn’t deserved a spot on the team." And that's what it comes down to with White. Based on his previous production to this year (and his cost), I believe he does deserve a spot on this team and a chance to prove himself. If he doesn't improve with another month or so I wouldn't want to keep him, but we don't have to be in a rush. He should have been getting more consistent playing time, imo, to give him a good chance, but they're using the DH spot to rest Springer a lot instead. (And it's hard to argue with Springer's results with that plan.) Alvarez would likely receive only modest consistent playing time and I don't think he should be sitting no the bench 4-5 games a week. If the plan is for Alvarez to ride the pine, then he can stay in Round Rock. |
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 13:42:18 GMT -6
Alvarez will get his chance anyways. Somebody will get hurt regardless of what Kemp or White does. ..... Alvarez would likely receive only modest consistent playing time and I don't think he should be sitting no the bench 4-5 games a week. If the plan is for Alvarez to ride the pine, then he can stay in Round Rock. You have three badass players in the OF right now, with $13 million man Gurriel getting time at 1B and a roving DH position. He's going to ride the pine a good amount just like Kemp and White have been doing. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 13, 2019 14:03:42 GMT -6
If we trade for a pitcher or two, who is off the team? Lesser pitchers. Right now I'd say Devo and Framber or James could be demoted to AAA. Release Devo and send one of the other two down. Devenski sucks |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 13, 2019 14:05:56 GMT -6
Continuing to keep White on the roster......much less using him as DH....makes Hinch and Luhnow look bad. He does nothing to help us.
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Post by Saint on May 13, 2019 14:08:56 GMT -6
I'm sure they don't feel like they look bad since they've both gotten nice extensions, won a championship, and are in 1st place by a mile already.
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