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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 2, 2019 19:23:03 GMT -6
Probably Batman, he's the board's eternal optimist. I thought we'd get two. No way is Straw or Stubbs going back to RR. They better not. I am sorry White, but you gotta go. Stassi needs an extended stay on the IL. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 2, 2019 19:26:11 GMT -6
Great series. We should go sweep Seattle too.
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Post by Saint on Jun 2, 2019 19:41:58 GMT -6
Let's get that sweep. I want to see more from Straw. Well how you like him now? I don't recall ever not liking Straw. I don't think much of Kemp, although he isn't awful. |
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Post by olpapa on Jun 2, 2019 19:54:51 GMT -6
Well how you like him now? I don't recall ever not liking Straw. I don't think much of Kemp, although he isn't awful. I didn’t mean to imply that didn’t like Straw. You said you wanted to see more from him today. I was just wondering what you thought of his performance today. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 2, 2019 19:55:19 GMT -6
I thought we'd get two. No way is Straw or Stubbs going back to RR. They better not. I am sorry White, but you gotta go. Stassi needs an extended stay on the IL. Fisher is increasing his trade value. Straw is making Kemp expendable |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 2, 2019 20:49:32 GMT -6
They better not. I am sorry White, but you gotta go. Stassi needs an extended stay on the IL. Fisher is increasing his trade value. Straw is making Kemp expendable If Fisher keeps it up maybe we will deal Tucker. Straw is a stud and Kemp is a very solid backup imo. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 2, 2019 21:19:02 GMT -6
Fisher is increasing his trade value. Straw is making Kemp expendable If Fisher keeps it up maybe we will deal Tucker. Straw is a stud and Kemp is a very solid backup imo. Keep Tucker....have Straw.... hopefully re-sign Springer....Alvarez and Beer at 1B/DH....Stubbs at Catcher... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 2, 2019 22:15:39 GMT -6
If Fisher keeps it up maybe we will deal Tucker. Straw is a stud and Kemp is a very solid backup imo. Keep Tucker....have Straw.... hopefully re-sign Springer....Alvarez and Beer at 1B/DH....Stubbs at Catcher... you have the right idea. I don't mind dealing Correa and moving Bregman to SS. No way would I keep Fisher and trade Tucker. I can see an OF of Tucker, Straw, and Springer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 10:09:55 GMT -6
Keep Tucker....have Straw.... hopefully re-sign Springer....Alvarez and Beer at 1B/DH....Stubbs at Catcher... you have the right idea. I don't mind dealing Correa and moving Bregman to SS. No way would I keep Fisher and trade Tucker. I can see an OF of Tucker, Straw, and Springer. Interesting that you are viewing Brantley as a rental. You might be right but ....... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 3, 2019 10:13:58 GMT -6
you have the right idea. I don't mind dealing Correa and moving Bregman to SS. No way would I keep Fisher and trade Tucker. I can see an OF of Tucker, Straw, and Springer. Interesting that you are viewing Brantley as a rental. You might be right but ....... He probably will be because of total team salary... especially if Alvarez can produce to about 75% of his minor league stats....Beer looks promising as well.... |
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Post by Saint on Jun 3, 2019 10:27:43 GMT -6
I don't recall ever not liking Straw. I don't think much of Kemp, although he isn't awful. I didn’t mean to imply that didn’t like Straw. You said you wanted to see more from him today. I was just wondering what you thought of his performance today. Ahh gotcha. I think he looks very good. With Springer and Brantley DHing plenty, I think he deserves plenty of playing time. Fisher looks really good this time around also. I'll be curious to see what happens with all of these young OFers. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 3, 2019 10:29:21 GMT -6
How many in Here thought they would sweep Oakland with half of the starters from AAA club. Oakland has to be thinking of what hit us. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 3, 2019 11:20:55 GMT -6
you have the right idea. I don't mind dealing Correa and moving Bregman to SS. No way would I keep Fisher and trade Tucker. I can see an OF of Tucker, Straw, and Springer. Interesting that you are viewing Brantley as a rental. You might be right but ....... If I gave you the idea that I considered Brantley as a rental, that was not my intent. He is a keeper. On the other hand, I'd deal Correa in a heartbeat in the right deal. His annual disappearing acts have worn thin. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 3, 2019 11:22:16 GMT -6
I didn’t mean to imply that didn’t like Straw. You said you wanted to see more from him today. I was just wondering what you thought of his performance today. Ahh gotcha. I think he looks very good. With Springer and Brantley DHing plenty, I think he deserves plenty of playing time. Fisher looks really good this time around also. I'll be curious to see what happens with all of these young OFers. Now is the time to try to trade Fisher. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 3, 2019 11:58:59 GMT -6
How many in Here thought they would sweep Oakland with half of the starters from AAA club. Oakland has to be thinking of what hit us. That must mean that the crowd at Minute Maid Park was upset. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 3, 2019 12:00:25 GMT -6
Interesting that you are viewing Brantley as a rental. You might be right but ....... If I gave you the idea that I considered Brantley as a rental, that was not my intent. He is a keeper. On the other hand, I'd deal Correa in a heartbeat in the right deal. His annual disappearing acts have worn thin. I don’t mean to be critical of Correa, but if he wants premier money, he needs to give a premier performance, and I’m not talking about just “good for a SS”. Health is a big deal too. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 3, 2019 14:30:06 GMT -6
If I gave you the idea that I considered Brantley as a rental, that was not my intent. He is a keeper. On the other hand, I'd deal Correa in a heartbeat in the right deal. His annual disappearing acts have worn thin. I don’t mean to be critical of Correa, but if he wants premier money, he needs to give a premier performance, and I’m not talking about just “good for a SS”. Health is a big deal too. I agree. He has done nothing to show he deserves a long-term deal for big money. Springer has. Crap like this fractured rib stuff shows a lack of intelligence or dedication on his part. I will never believe that rib was fractured during a massage. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 3, 2019 14:48:52 GMT -6
I don’t mean to be critical of Correa, but if he wants premier money, he needs to give a premier performance, and I’m not talking about just “good for a SS”. Health is a big deal too. I agree. He has done nothing to show he deserves a long-term deal for big money. Springer has. Crap like this fractured rib stuff shows a lack of intelligence or dedication on his part. I will never believe that rib was fractured during a massage. He’s been healthy once in nearly 5 seasons and that was in 2016. I don’t trust him as a big money asset. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 3, 2019 14:54:02 GMT -6
I agree. He has done nothing to show he deserves a long-term deal for big money. Springer has. Crap like this fractured rib stuff shows a lack of intelligence or dedication on his part. I will never believe that rib was fractured during a massage. He’s been healthy once in nearly 5 seasons and that was in 2016. I don’t trust him as a big money asset. ***** |
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Post by marshall on Jun 3, 2019 15:40:14 GMT -6
As you can tell from my prediction for June, I don't think we'll keep winning these series with so many core starters on IR or just coming off IR. But I've always thought our AAA team would hold their own against half the MLB and mixing in the remaining Core of Bregman, Brantley, Gurriel and Chirinos, they seem to be doing well. But I just think we'll go through a dry spell this month.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Saint on Jun 3, 2019 15:49:17 GMT -6
Just to play devil's advocate (I prefer Springer also)... Here is a breakdown of how Springer and Correa compare Games Played-wise and some stats/metrics. These are the average season numbers of their careers minus this year, and their rookie seasons when they didn't play with us until part way though the year:
Correa: 124 Games - 20 HR 82 RBI 73 Runs .276/.359/.468 .826 OPS (127 OPS+) 4.6 WAR
Springer: 136 Games - 25 HR 70 RBI 97 Runs .270/.359/.468 .827 OPS (127 OPS+) 4.1 WAR
Amazingly identical. Sure, Springer has averaged 12 more games played per season, but Correa has actually been worth a little more WAR-wise since his defense has been better. Of course Springer has also been money in the postseason whereas Correa has been solid but not amazing.
All this to say, the fact that most of us are super pro-Springer, but some of us are also super anti-Correa doesn't add up. They're remarkably similar players all things considered. From a pure value standpoint, neither is really worth more than the other. It just comes to personal preference. One has been more consistent and healthier recently, but the other has a higher ceiling and is much younger.
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Post by sempersmom on Jun 3, 2019 15:53:03 GMT -6
Just to play devil's advocate (I prefer Springer also)... Here is a breakdown of how Springer and Correa compare Games Played-wise and some stats/metrics. These are the average season numbers of their careers minus this year, and their rookie seasons when they didn't play with us until part way though the year: Correa: 124 Games - 20 HR 82 RBI 73 Runs .276/.359/.468 .826 OPS (127 OPS+) 4.6 WAR Springer: 136 Games - 25 HR 70 RBI 97 Runs .270/.359/.468 .827 OPS (127 OPS+) 4.1 WAR Amazingly identical. Sure, Springer has averaged 12 more games played per season, but Correa has actually been worth a little more WAR-wise since his defense has been better. Of course Springer has also been money in the postseason whereas Correa has been solid but not amazing. All this to say, the fact that most of us are super pro-Springer, but some of us are also super anti-Correa doesn't add up. They're remarkably similar players all things considered. From a pure value standpoint, neither is really worth more than the other. It just comes to personal preference. One has been more consistent and healthier recently, but the other has a higher ceiling and is much younger. I pro both of these guys. The hate spewed toward Correa is uncalled for. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 3, 2019 15:57:41 GMT -6
Just to play devil's advocate (I prefer Springer also)... Here is a breakdown of how Springer and Correa compare Games Played-wise and some stats/metrics. These are the average season numbers of their careers minus this year, and their rookie seasons when they didn't play with us until part way though the year: Correa: 124 Games - 20 HR 82 RBI 73 Runs .276/.359/.468 .826 OPS (127 OPS+) 4.6 WAR Springer: 136 Games - 25 HR 70 RBI 97 Runs .270/.359/.468 .827 OPS (127 OPS+) 4.1 WAR Amazingly identical. Sure, Springer has averaged 12 more games played per season, but Correa has actually been worth a little more WAR-wise since his defense has been better. Of course Springer has also been money in the postseason whereas Correa has been solid but not amazing. All this to say, the fact that most of us are super pro-Springer, but some of us are also super anti-Correa doesn't add up. They're remarkably similar players all things considered. From a pure value standpoint, neither is really worth more than the other. It just comes to personal preference. One has been more consistent and healthier recently, but the other has a higher ceiling and is much younger. I pro both of these guys. The hate spewed toward Correa is uncalled for. Correa has earned every bit of it. I don't hate him. I'm just sick of his annual disappearing acts under mysterious circumstances. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 3, 2019 16:26:44 GMT -6
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Post by marshall on Jun 3, 2019 16:27:08 GMT -6
I'm torn over whether I'm more disappointed that Correa can't stay on the field or that he doesn't play well when he plays injured. Either way, his value goes down when he spends so much time either on IL or playing poorly from trying to play through injury.
I don't think we can keep him if he insists on a $30M/yr contract. At $25M I might consider an extension. 5/6ths pay for 5/6ths availability...
But we have him through 2021 so an extension this off season is a luxury and not a necessity..
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 3, 2019 16:27:35 GMT -6
Correa has nothing on that...
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 3, 2019 16:32:04 GMT -6
I agree. He has done nothing to show he deserves a long-term deal for big money. Springer has. Crap like this fractured rib stuff shows a lack of intelligence or dedication on his part. I will never believe that rib was fractured during a massage. He’s been healthy once in nearly 5 seasons and that was in 2016. I don’t trust him as a big money asset. You’re agreeing with Corch. Are you sure you don’t want to reconsider? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 3, 2019 21:15:27 GMT -6
He’s been healthy once in nearly 5 seasons and that was in 2016. I don’t trust him as a big money asset. You’re agreeing with Corch. Are you sure you don’t want to reconsider? I’m unsure. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 3, 2019 23:17:03 GMT -6
He’s been healthy once in nearly 5 seasons and that was in 2016. I don’t trust him as a big money asset. You’re agreeing with Corch. Are you sure you don’t want to reconsider? You would show more baseball sense if you agree with me......especially about Jake, who saved another run tonight.  |
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