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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 10:10:25 GMT -6
I'm the one that ragged on Maldonado. I didn't feel he was necessary in 2018. Now we're in need of some catching depth so I don't mind it as much. But I don't feel we needed to spend $7 million to get it. We have a history of not giving young catchers much of a chance (outside of Biggio and Castro). We were wrong on Castro. We are also wrong to pass on Chirinos and sign Maldonado for 2 year instead. We have always treated the catching position like it was the least important position and we have paid for it. Castro's K's killed us when he was here. We could get Contreras if we would part with fragile little Carlos. Yet, we still have weak catching and are stuck with a wimp that needs half a season off. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 10:12:05 GMT -6
I definitely ragged on him for his 2018 Boston Butchery. Has Verlander thrown to him since? Verlander works well with Chirinos yet we dumped him............dumb move. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2019 10:14:06 GMT -6
I'm the one that ragged on Maldonado. I didn't feel he was necessary in 2018. Now we're in need of some catching depth so I don't mind it as much. But I don't feel we needed to spend $7 million to get it. We have a history of not giving young catchers much of a chance (outside of Biggio and Castro). We were wrong on Castro. We are also wrong to pass on Chirinos and sign Maldonado for 2 year instead. We have always treated the catching position like it was the least important position and we have paid for it. Castro's K's killed us when he was here. We could get Contreras if we would part with fragile little Carlos. Yet, we still have weak catching and are stuck with a wimp that needs half a season off. If Maldonado can call a good game, block pitches, and throw out runners, we’re good. We don’t need Mike Piazza in his prime. The offensive problems at catcher were emphasized because of Reddick’s poor hitting, especially for a corner outfielder. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 10:14:59 GMT -6
I don't think anyone things Strom is a god, but, he is one of the top pitching coaches in the game. But, for some reason, you and a few others don't realize what he has meant to our pitchers or you would refrain from snide remarks about him. Maybe you would prefer a big dumbass like Brocail. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 10:16:12 GMT -6
We were wrong on Castro. We are also wrong to pass on Chirinos and sign Maldonado for 2 year instead. We have always treated the catching position like it was the least important position and we have paid for it. Castro's K's killed us when he was here. We could get Contreras if we would part with fragile little Carlos. Yet, we still have weak catching and are stuck with a wimp that needs half a season off. If Maldonado can call a good game, block pitches, and throw out runners, we’re good. We don’t need Mike Piazza in his prime. The offensive problems at catcher were emphasized because of Reddick’s poor hitting, especially for a corner outfielder. So,we need to blame lack of hitting by our catchers on Reddick?? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 10:21:17 GMT -6
But it doesn't have to be full sink or swim. And in any case, it's not like we'd be giving Stubbs 140 games this season. He'd get 60-80 most likely. That’s a lot of games. Like a Carlos Correa amount. Well he's a catcher. Even if healthy and an all-star he likely wouldn't play a completely full season. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 10:23:40 GMT -6
I'm the one that ragged on Maldonado. I didn't feel he was necessary in 2018. Now we're in need of some catching depth so I don't mind it as much. But I don't feel we needed to spend $7 million to get it. We have a history of not giving young catchers much of a chance (outside of Biggio and Castro). We were wrong on Castro. We are also wrong to pass on Chirinos and sign Maldonado for 2 year instead. We have always treated the catching position like it was the least important position and we have paid for it. Castro's K's killed us when he was here. We could get Contreras if we would part with fragile little Carlos. Yet, we still have weak catching and are stuck with a wimp that needs half a season off. Well it's arguably the least important position when it comes to offense. A catcher's value is mostly from his defense (framing, controlling baserunners, keeping balls in front) and ability to work with the pitching staff. With a team as strong as ours right now, we don't need a great hitting catcher. We need a catcher that can work well with two picky veterans and some young guys while being somebody reliable defensively. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 10:28:29 GMT -6
For Reddick's final season with us (provided we don't find a way to trade him), I'd like to see him go back to his 2012 approach. If he's not going to get on base well, he might as well be swinging to generate more power. I'd rather him be a .240/.300/.450 25+ HR guy with his typical defense, than a .270/.315/.400 10+ HR guy. Plus I think he could run a little more than he does.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 10:35:11 GMT -6
We were wrong on Castro. We are also wrong to pass on Chirinos and sign Maldonado for 2 year instead. We have always treated the catching position like it was the least important position and we have paid for it. Castro's K's killed us when he was here. We could get Contreras if we would part with fragile little Carlos. Yet, we still have weak catching and are stuck with a wimp that needs half a season off. Well it's arguably the least important position when it comes to offense. A catcher's value is mostly from his defense (framing, controlling baserunners, keeping balls in front) and ability to work with the pitching staff. With a team as strong as ours right now, we don't need a great hitting catcher. We need a catcher that can work well with two picky veterans and some young guys while being somebody reliable defensively. thank you for reminding us of why we needed to re-sign Chirinos. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 10:36:37 GMT -6
For Reddick's final season with us (provided we don't find a way to trade him), I'd like to see him go back to his 2012 approach. If he's not going to get on base well, he might as well be swinging to generate more power. I'd rather him be a .240/.300/.450 25+ HR guy with his typical defense, than a .270/.315/.400 10+ HR guy. Plus I think he could run a little more than he does. If he is still here, Reddick needs to be the 4th OF behind Brantley, Springer, and Tucker. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 10:41:58 GMT -6
Well it's arguably the least important position when it comes to offense. A catcher's value is mostly from his defense (framing, controlling baserunners, keeping balls in front) and ability to work with the pitching staff. With a team as strong as ours right now, we don't need a great hitting catcher. We need a catcher that can work well with two picky veterans and some young guys while being somebody reliable defensively. thank you for reminding us of why we needed to re-sign Chirinos. But we did exactly what I said with Maldonado. Chirinos was/is not a very good defensive catcher. He is a respectable (not great) hitter for a catcher with mediocre (at best) defensive skills. JV liked him, but JV also like McCann and did fine with Maldonado. You're overvaluing Chirinos. But, if Chirinos could have been had for $7 million, they probably would have tried. My guess is that he is looking for a different contract or wants to avoid the Houston drama (or both). |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 10:56:01 GMT -6
thank you for reminding us of why we needed to re-sign Chirinos. But we did exactly what I said with Maldonado. Chirinos was/is not a very good defensive catcher. He is a respectable (not great) hitter for a catcher with mediocre (at best) defensive skills. JV liked him, but JV also like McCann and did fine with Maldonado. You're overvaluing Chirinos. But, if Chirinos could have been had for $7 million, they probably would have tried. My guess is that he is looking for a different contract or wants to avoid the Houston drama (or both). I just wish we knew if they made him an offer, and, if they did, what was it, |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 10:57:45 GMT -6
Somebody may have mentioned this already, but, if not, there is an added bonus to us signing Maldonado. For his entire career, Cole pitched his best (from an OPS-against standpoint) when Maldonado caught him. So keeping the Yankees from getting him to catch Cole is a small boost. Not that Cole will be bad or anything, but it's obvious that he really liked pitching to Maldonado.
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 10:59:05 GMT -6
But we did exactly what I said with Maldonado. Chirinos was/is not a very good defensive catcher. He is a respectable (not great) hitter for a catcher with mediocre (at best) defensive skills. JV liked him, but JV also like McCann and did fine with Maldonado. You're overvaluing Chirinos. But, if Chirinos could have been had for $7 million, they probably would have tried. My guess is that he is looking for a different contract or wants to avoid the Houston drama (or both). I just wish we knew if they made him an offer, and, if they did, what was it, Eh, it wouldn't change anything either way. They wanted Maldonado last offseason too. They crave the defense over the offense when it comes to catchers right now. That might change if we don't have such strong offense at the other positions, but right now the defense is the priority. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 11:24:24 GMT -6
Diamondbacks sign Calhoun. 2-years with a 3rd year option.
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 13:34:51 GMT -6
Mets get Betances.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 24, 2019 13:46:21 GMT -6
Well it's arguably the least important position when it comes to offense. A catcher's value is mostly from his defense (framing, controlling baserunners, keeping balls in front) and ability to work with the pitching staff. With a team as strong as ours right now, we don't need a great hitting catcher. We need a catcher that can work well with two picky veterans and some young guys while being somebody reliable defensively. thank you for reminding us of why we needed to re-sign Chirinos. Who is to say the didn't try? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 24, 2019 13:50:32 GMT -6
I know this cloud of uncertainty has really restricted what Luhnow can do, but MF!!!! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2019 15:43:05 GMT -6
I know this cloud of uncertainty has really restricted what Luhnow can do, but MF!!!! I’m with you there. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2019 15:45:04 GMT -6
If Maldonado can call a good game, block pitches, and throw out runners, we’re good. We don’t need Mike Piazza in his prime. The offensive problems at catcher were emphasized because of Reddick’s poor hitting, especially for a corner outfielder. So,we need to blame lack of hitting by our catchers on Reddick?? Catcher is traditionally not an offensively reliable position. Defense is more necessary. Corner outfielder is a spot where you’d expect the offense. The fact that they bat back to back makes the catcher position look even worse. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2019 15:49:32 GMT -6
I don't think anyone things Strom is a god, but, he is one of the top pitching coaches in the game. But, for some reason, you and a few others don't realize what he has meant to our pitchers or you would refrain from snide remarks about him. Maybe you would prefer a big dumbass like Brocail. He generally gets a ton of praise and generally no criticism ever. He is a good pitching coach, but he can’t turn water into wine every single time. Where was his instruction when Miley crashed and burned for a month or so? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 17:25:50 GMT -6
I know this cloud of uncertainty has really restricted what Luhnow can do, but MF!!!! I know he may have limits but, sitting around scratching his ass doing nothing is ridiculous. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 24, 2019 17:27:46 GMT -6
I don't think anyone things Strom is a god, but, he is one of the top pitching coaches in the game. But, for some reason, you and a few others don't realize what he has meant to our pitchers or you would refrain from snide remarks about him. Maybe you would prefer a big dumbass like Brocail. He generally gets a ton of praise and generally no criticism ever. He is a good pitching coach, but he can’t turn water into wine every single time. Where was his instruction when Miley crashed and burned for a month or so? I refre you to what he did with Morton. He had nothing to do with Miley crashing unless the rumor about tipping pitches is accurate and Strom failed to detect it. |
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Post by churchill on Dec 24, 2019 17:48:21 GMT -6
I'm the one that ragged on Maldonado. I didn't feel he was necessary in 2018. Now we're in need of some catching depth so I don't mind it as much. But I don't feel we needed to spend $7 million to get it. We have a history of not giving young catchers much of a chance (outside of Biggio and Castro). It's only $3.5M a yr. for 2 yrs. It seems cheap enough. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 24, 2019 18:31:56 GMT -6
I know this cloud of uncertainty has really restricted what Luhnow can do, but MF!!!! I know he may have limits but, sitting around scratching his ass doing nothing is ridiculous. I seriously doubt he is scratching his ass, but if you are above-average free-agent, are you really going to come sign with the Astros right now? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 19:24:11 GMT -6
I'm the one that ragged on Maldonado. I didn't feel he was necessary in 2018. Now we're in need of some catching depth so I don't mind it as much. But I don't feel we needed to spend $7 million to get it. We have a history of not giving young catchers much of a chance (outside of Biggio and Castro). It's only $3.5M a yr. for 2 yrs. It seems cheap enough. It's not horrible. But I think we could have used that money to get another solid veteran reliever. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 24, 2019 20:03:18 GMT -6
It's only $3.5M a yr. for 2 yrs. It seems cheap enough. It's not horrible. But I think we could have used that money to get another solid veteran reliever. At $3.5 million a year? We need names. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 24, 2019 20:32:13 GMT -6
It's not horrible. But I think we could have used that money to get another solid veteran reliever. At $3.5 million a year? We need names. Well Smith was $4 mil a year. I'm sure there was similar for a similar price. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 24, 2019 20:46:14 GMT -6
If there was anytime to move Correa to the Mets it would be soon. With evwrything they have added they are just short some bats.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 24, 2019 21:07:25 GMT -6
The narrative that he’s an imperative signing is amazing. Y ou Seems like I recall you bashing Maldonado the entire time we had him in 2018 and now you are celebrating the fact that we re-signed him. LOL LOL You thought Stassi was better. To be fair, though, Sherwin bashes everyone. |
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