marshall
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Post by marshall on May 1, 2018 6:23:36 GMT -6
Charlie Morton sure has been worth the price of admission, eh? Morton is not pitching like a guy who was surprised to get a 14 million dollar two year deal. Let s do that one again. Alway reward with extensions, never by tearing up existing contracts. You can move money forward by making the signing bonus higher leaving long term flexibility on your payroll. I predict that Luhnow, being an excellent GM, will never tear up an existing contract and will make full use of extensions with signing bonuses to reward players who perform way above expectations. |
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Post by paastrosfan on May 1, 2018 6:32:00 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying... mostly out of jest... but Keuchel would not be a good option out of the pen. McCullers would be killer though. I'd gladly put Peacock in the starting rotation if it meant we had McCullers to lock down the later innings. While Keuchel's mechanical skills are in decline, I think his ego will keep him pitching well enough to serve as a decent 5th starter (effectively speaking) through the end of the season. Postseason rosters will be drawn up based on who gives the team the best chance of winning. There is nothing wrong with Dallas' mechanics, it is the location of his pitches. If he cannot hit his spots he is going to get hit around. |
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Post by m240 on May 1, 2018 6:43:16 GMT -6
Morton is not pitching like a guy who was surprised to get a 14 million dollar two year deal. Let s do that one again. Alway reward with extensions, never by tearing up existing contracts. You can move money forward by making the signing bonus higher leaving long term flexibility on your payroll. I predict that Luhnow, being an excellent GM, will never tear up an existing contract and will make full use of extensions with signing bonuses to reward players who perform way above expectations. Morton's deal actually had some incentives in it that paid out over a million dollars in performance bonuses last year. My comment was actually meant to point to the issue of his retirement after this current deal is up, (after this season), and the fact that we put a two year deal out there. Losing Keuchel after this season will hurt, losing Keuchel and Morton after this season will hurt one heck of a lot more. |
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Post by marshall on May 1, 2018 7:16:53 GMT -6
Alway reward with extensions, never by tearing up existing contracts. You can move money forward by making the signing bonus higher leaving long term flexibility on your payroll. I predict that Luhnow, being an excellent GM, will never tear up an existing contract and will make full use of extensions with signing bonuses to reward players who perform way above expectations. Morton's deal actually had some incentives in it that paid out over a million dollars in performance bonuses last year. My comment was actually meant to point to the issue of his retirement after this current deal is up, (after this season), and the fact that we put a two year deal out there. Losing Keuchel after this season will hurt, losing Keuchel and Morton after this season will hurt one heck of a lot more. Agreed. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 1, 2018 7:22:03 GMT -6
Alway reward with extensions, never by tearing up existing contracts. You can move money forward by making the signing bonus higher leaving long term flexibility on your payroll. I predict that Luhnow, being an excellent GM, will never tear up an existing contract and will make full use of extensions with signing bonuses to reward players who perform way above expectations. Morton's deal actually had some incentives in it that paid out over a million dollars in performance bonuses last year. My comment was actually meant to point to the issue of his retirement after this current deal is up, (after this season), and the fact that we put a two year deal out there. Losing Keuchel after this season will hurt, losing Keuchel and Morton after this season will hurt one heck of a lot more. Morton - 2 Year, $45M deal with a third year $20M option? |
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 7:57:34 GMT -6
What the F doesn't any of our Relief shut a team down when its on the line. Just like last year. Relief sucks No they don't... |
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 8:01:29 GMT -6
I still don't get the hate for Giles. The postseason was rough, but surely we can't hold that against him forever.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 1, 2018 8:01:33 GMT -6
At least Giles was a bright spot last night. That’s two straight games where a middle reliever handed a 2-out run to the starter after he left.
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Post by m240 on May 1, 2018 8:02:08 GMT -6
Morton's deal actually had some incentives in it that paid out over a million dollars in performance bonuses last year. My comment was actually meant to point to the issue of his retirement after this current deal is up, (after this season), and the fact that we put a two year deal out there. Losing Keuchel after this season will hurt, losing Keuchel and Morton after this season will hurt one heck of a lot more. Morton - 2 Year, $45M deal with a third year $20M option? Morton is an enigma. I can not think of another player whose performance spiked so late in their history. It will take one hell of a deal to get him as he has stated a desire to get closer to home and a desire to play with a championship caliber team. We should all hope that Philadelphia drops in the toilet for the rest of the year as they seem to be our toughest competition for getting him signed to a new deal. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 1, 2018 8:02:42 GMT -6
I still don't get the hate for Giles. The postseason was rough, but surely we can't hold that against him forever. You definitely should not hold that against him forever, but you shouldn’t dismiss it either. Closers are pressure situation relievers. When a reliever is ineffective during the highest pressure situations, you naturally get worried. |
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 8:06:09 GMT -6
I still don't get the hate for Giles. The postseason was rough, but surely we can't hold that against him forever. You definitely should not hold that against him forever, but you shouldn’t dismiss it either. Closers are pressure situation relievers. When a reliever is ineffective during the highest pressure situations, you naturally get worried. Who is dismissing it? It's time to move on though. 2017 is over and he has been excellent so far this year. |
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Post by m240 on May 1, 2018 8:07:12 GMT -6
I still don't get the hate for Giles. The postseason was rough, but surely we can't hold that against him forever. I think the hate for Giles comes from the fact that he was supposed to be King Kong. So far he has pitched well but not King Kong well. He has the ability and, the circumstances that resulted from our starters doing so well to start the year, and the closer by committee approach that Hinch has used so far may just be the motivation to have more games like last night. If it does then he will be King Kong as he pitched like a man possessed last night. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 1, 2018 8:08:07 GMT -6
There is nothing wrong with Dallas' mechanics, it is the location of his pitches. If he cannot hit his spots he is going to get hit around. I’ve never seen a star pitcher before like Keuchel who was this reliant on the umpire. I’ve also never seen a pitcher like him get abandoned by umpires who loved calling his borderline strikes. It has significantly affected his level of dominance. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 1, 2018 8:09:50 GMT -6
Who is dismissing it? It's time to move on though. 2017 is over and he has been excellent so far this year. You kind of did that by citing his regular season numbers last season. To me, that goes out the window in the postseason. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 1, 2018 8:55:11 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 1, 2018 9:13:36 GMT -6
I still don't get the hate for Giles. The postseason was rough, but surely we can't hold that against him forever. Giles is the Ghick of the Astros. He's just inherently unlikable. Even when he's good. |
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Post by astrosdoug on May 1, 2018 9:50:48 GMT -6
Giles has only given up 2 earned runs, and no walks, in 10+ innings this year. Every team would like to have those kinds of results from a reliever. Those are the results that help a team win its division.
As for whether the Astros should place Giles on the postseason roster, that's another story!
Adam Ottavino -- last time I checked, that guy was doing insane things as a reliever. But who knows, he could fall apart in the postseason, if his team even makes it there.
Raisel Iglesias is having a great year on a horrible team (like, a AA type team called the Reds). Maybe the Astros could get him for prospects.
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 10:02:45 GMT -6
I still don't get the hate for Giles. The postseason was rough, but surely we can't hold that against him forever. I think the hate for Giles comes from the fact that he was supposed to be King Kong. So far he has pitched well but not King Kong well. He has the ability and, the circumstances that resulted from our starters doing so well to start the year, and the closer by committee approach that Hinch has used so far may just be the motivation to have more games like last night. If it does then he will be King Kong as he pitched like a man possessed last night. If anybody expected him to be more than a good closer (which he mostly has been) than they had unrealistic expectations, imo. There are only a couple elite closers out there, period. |
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 10:04:23 GMT -6
Who is dismissing it? It's time to move on though. 2017 is over and he has been excellent so far this year. You kind of did that by citing his regular season numbers last season. To me, that goes out the window in the postseason. That's to show that he has been good for a much longer time period than he's been bad. Using a few performances in a short timeframe doesn't show the whole picture. (It shows part of it, sure, but just a small part.) |
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 10:05:55 GMT -6
I still don't get the hate for Giles. The postseason was rough, but surely we can't hold that against him forever. Giles is the Ghick of the Astros. He's just inherently unlikable. Even when he's good. Has Giles done something attitude-wise to be unlikable? I haven't heard about or read any unsportsmanlike comments or whining. He held himself accountable during his struggles. He gets pumped up when he gets a hard save, but at least he isn't shooting arrows into the sky. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 1, 2018 10:11:31 GMT -6
You kind of did that by citing his regular season numbers last season. To me, that goes out the window in the postseason. That's to show that he has been good for a much longer time period than he's been bad. Using a few performances in a short timeframe doesn't show the whole picture. (It shows part of it, sure, but just a small part.) You would agree that failing in the postseason would lead to deserving criticism of a closer, right? It’s not like he had a 4.00 ERA in the playoffs. |
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 10:14:55 GMT -6
That's to show that he has been good for a much longer time period than he's been bad. Using a few performances in a short timeframe doesn't show the whole picture. (It shows part of it, sure, but just a small part.) You would agree that failing in the postseason would lead to deserving criticism of a closer, right? It’s not like he had a 4.00 ERA in the playoffs. Deserves some criticism, yes. Deserves the extreme amount he seems to be getting, no. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 1, 2018 10:16:11 GMT -6
It’s a carryover from the postseason. It’s not like people don’t want him to succeed. They just want him to step up as he has done recently.
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Post by paastrosfan on May 1, 2018 10:59:41 GMT -6
There is nothing wrong with Dallas' mechanics, it is the location of his pitches. If he cannot hit his spots he is going to get hit around. I’ve never seen a star pitcher before like Keuchel who was this reliant on the umpire. I’ve also never seen a pitcher like him get abandoned by umpires who loved calling his borderline strikes. It has significantly affected his level of dominance. The Dallas of 15 and 17 was a carbon copy of Cliff Lee on painting the strike zone. Getting pinched by the HP ump is not in his favor. I don't remember the name of the ump behind the plate last night, he would have been his kind of umpire. This season not being consistent around the plate he will not get the call. Dallas would work the ump if he was getting a strike call in a certain area of the plate and be able to duplicate that spot and as the game went on and the zone would stretch a little. This season we are not seeing that consistency. |
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Post by m240 on May 1, 2018 11:35:51 GMT -6
I think the hate for Giles comes from the fact that he was supposed to be King Kong. So far he has pitched well but not King Kong well. He has the ability and, the circumstances that resulted from our starters doing so well to start the year, and the closer by committee approach that Hinch has used so far may just be the motivation to have more games like last night. If it does then he will be King Kong as he pitched like a man possessed last night. If anybody expected him to be more than a good closer (which he mostly has been) than they had unrealistic expectations, imo. There are only a couple elite closers out there, period. Luhnow sold him as King Kong to justify what was given up to get him. At the time we gave up a lot in a young controllable starter, a former #1 draft pick that had not completely blown up yet (rated at #43 on prospect pipeline), a high #2 draft pick, and a young mlb ready lefty Brett Oberholtzer. It would be fairly easy to argue that we gave more than we gave for either Verlander or Cole. So I think most folks thought we were getting King Kong. |
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Post by Saint on May 1, 2018 11:43:37 GMT -6
If anybody expected him to be more than a good closer (which he mostly has been) than they had unrealistic expectations, imo. There are only a couple elite closers out there, period. Luhnow sold him as King Kong to justify what was given up to get him. At the time we gave up a lot in a young controllable starter, a former #1 draft pick that had not completely blown up yet (rated at #43 on prospect pipeline), a high #2 draft pick, and a young mlb ready lefty Brett Oberholtzer. It would be fairly easy to argue that we gave more than we gave for either Verlander or Cole. So I think most folks thought we were getting King Kong. But, in reality, we gave up hardly anything. |
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Post by m240 on May 1, 2018 14:09:12 GMT -6
Better grab your wallet if Luhnow starts talking deal with you.
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marshall
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Post by marshall on May 1, 2018 15:49:00 GMT -6
Dallas needs either an impatient batter or an ump with a good consistent strike zone. He hasn't had either very much early in the season. He's still getting average production without either. I expect him to go on a run shortly.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 1, 2018 15:53:17 GMT -6
But, in reality, we gave up hardly anything. Yeah, that Gomez/Fiers trade will still be the skid mark of Luhnow’s otherwise brilliant legacy here. Last night, Hader got a 2 2/3 inning save with 8 strikeouts. Ouch, that kid is something else. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 1, 2018 19:36:01 GMT -6
I think most of us realized it was a dream after Game 2 of the World Series when he hit a HR off a top closer where he doesn't hit homers on his spray chart I can tell you, I was there when he hit it. My heart jumped a million miles at that moment. Although I can't speak for passed this season- for this one however I will be on his bandwagon and wish him well. |
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