Is Coach ok?

[batman007]

Can we get a welfare check on this man? I’m concerned.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

I think you mean Corch, son.

[blcoach8]

Dec 5, 2019 12:43:53 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

I think you mean Corch, son.

I am fine..........As I have said many times, I am OK with Marisnick being traded.  We need to free up what money we can and then not waste it.  I just see no need in taking a dump on a class act like Jake as he leaves.  Nobody could have handled that situation with the Angels better than Jake. Lucroy caused the problem......Jake got suspended........Jake got hit over it.  Our pitcher should have decked the Angels hottest hitter on his next at bat in retaliation. In the old days when pitchers still had a pair of balls the hitting of Jake would not have gone with0ut retaliation being taken.

[batman007]

Dec 5, 2019 12:43:53 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

I think you mean Corch, son.

Sorry. Phone autocorrects. You may edit title as necessary. 

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Dec 5, 2019 15:35:54 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Dec 5, 2019 12:43:53 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

I think you mean Corch, son.

I am fine..........As I have said many times, I am OK with Marisnick being traded.  We need to free up what money we can and then not waste it.  I just see no need in taking a dump on a class act like Jake as he leaves.  Nobody could have handled that situation with the Angels better than Jake. Lucroy caused the problem......Jake got suspended........Jake got hit over it.  Our pitcher should have decked the Angels hottest hitter on his next at bat in retaliation. In the old days when pitchers still had a pair of balls the hitting of Jake would not have gone with0ut retaliation being taken.

Never was a Marsinick fan, but i think some of the abuse he got here was unnecessary.  I thought he was great in his role as  a late inning defensive replacement, or as a replacement when another starter was injured.  Coach, some of the shit he got was just to get your BP up.

I hate to see him go, as far as what his role here was.

[unionstation82]

Dec 6, 2019 11:25:11 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Dec 5, 2019 15:35:54 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I am fine..........As I have said many times, I am OK with Marisnick being traded.  We need to free up what money we can and then not waste it.  I just see no need in taking a dump on a class act like Jake as he leaves.  Nobody could have handled that situation with the Angels better than Jake. Lucroy caused the problem......Jake got suspended........Jake got hit over it.  Our pitcher should have decked the Angels hottest hitter on his next at bat in retaliation. In the old days when pitchers still had a pair of balls the hitting of Jake would not have gone with0ut retaliation being taken.

Never was a Marsinick fan, but i think some of the abuse he got here was unnecessary.  I thought he was great in his role as  a late inning defensive replacement, or as a replacement when another starter was injured.  Coach, some of the shit he got was just to get your BP up.

I hate to see him go, as far as what his role here was.

The problem was his role was often expanded to a starter when his bat did not warrant it. That’s why he was often criticized. Also, the team liked to fluff up his value to the team, and that value was just not there. Even Steve Sparks, an employee of the Astros, said on the radio that Marisnick can’t catch up to a fastball. The bottom line was he was given five years to prove himself as a hitter and didn’t. Time to move on.

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Dec 6, 2019 22:07:47 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Dec 6, 2019 11:25:11 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Never was a Marsinick fan, but i think some of the abuse he got here was unnecessary.  I thought he was great in his role as  a late inning defensive replacement, or as a replacement when another starter was injured.  Coach, some of the shit he got was just to get your BP up.

I hate to see him go, as far as what his role here was.

The problem was his role was often expanded to a starter when his bat did not warrant it. That’s why he was often criticized. Also, the team liked to fluff up his value to the team, and that value was just not there.

Marsinick only had 73 starts, ,and 40 of those were when Springer injured, plus also close to 10 for others when it was warranted.  Under those circumstancs, I don't think the intent was that his role was meant to be expanded to be a normal starter.  

Not really his fault he was promoted to that situation.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Dec 6, 2019 22:07:47 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Dec 6, 2019 11:25:11 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Never was a Marsinick fan, but i think some of the abuse he got here was unnecessary.  I thought he was great in his role as  a late inning defensive replacement, or as a replacement when another starter was injured.  Coach, some of the shit he got was just to get your BP up.

I hate to see him go, as far as what his role here was.

The problem was his role was often expanded to a starter when his bat did not warrant it. That’s why he was often criticized. Also, the team liked to fluff up his value to the team, and that value was just not there.

Everytime he stood there with his bat on his shoulder watching strike 3 with the bases loaded or men on 2nd and 3rd (or worse, dribbled the ball to an infielder), he earned every f***ing bit of the abuse he got. The 5 or 6 circus catches he made during the whole season weren't enough to make up for swinging the bat like Catfish does.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Dec 6, 2019 22:22:41 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Dec 6, 2019 22:07:47 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

The problem was his role was often expanded to a starter when his bat did not warrant it. That’s why he was often criticized. Also, the team liked to fluff up his value to the team, and that value was just not there.

Marsinick only had 73 starts, ,and 40 of those were when Springer injured, plus also close to 10 for others when it was warranted.  Under those circumstancs, I don't think the intent was that his role was meant to be expanded to be a normal starter.  

Not really his fault he was promoted to that situation.

So, nearly half the games in the season.

[blcoach8]

Dec 6, 2019 22:38:37 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Dec 6, 2019 22:07:47 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

The problem was his role was often expanded to a starter when his bat did not warrant it. That’s why he was often criticized. Also, the team liked to fluff up his value to the team, and that value was just not there.

Everytime he stood there with his bat on his shoulder watching strike 3 with the bases loaded or men on 2nd and 3rd (or worse, dribbled the ball to an infielder), he earned every fecking bit of the abuse he got. The 5 or 6 circus catches he made during the whole season weren't enough to make up for swinging the bat like Catfish does.

And you continually showed  your bias and ignorance where Marisinick was concerned by referring to him as the worst player in baseball........We had White and Stassi on our roster some of the time when you said that. I would have sent Jake up to pinch hit for either of those useless pieces of shit.  It doesn't look good  to refer to one of the premier defensive outfielders in the game as the worst player in baseball.  He was clearly the best defensive outfielder we had.  Undboubtedly, Beltran llikes him or the Mets would not have traded for him.  I will see what happens once he has new hitting coaches and been under Beltran's guidance.  

Those here who want to take pot shots and shit on him as he leaves show a total lack of class and lack of appreciation for the good things he did.........Check and see how many runs he saved.....some in playoff games.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

OOOOH, so it's the COACH'S fault that the shitty mfer couldn't hit. Thanks for letting us know.

[unionstation82]

Dec 7, 2019 0:31:51 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

OOOOH, so it's the COACH'S fault that the shitty mfer couldn't hit. Thanks for letting us know.

He’s going to New York, and he’s going to be a star! You just watch!

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Dec 7, 2019 0:35:04 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Dec 7, 2019 0:31:51 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

OOOOH, so it's the COACH'S fault that the shitty mfer couldn't hit. Thanks for letting us know.

He’s going to New York, and he’s going to be a star! You just watch!

The next Mike Trout, but with luscious locks of lurv.

[unionstation82]

Dec 7, 2019 0:45:39 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Dec 7, 2019 0:35:04 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

He’s going to New York, and he’s going to be a star! You just watch!

The next Mike Trout, but with luscious locks of lurv.

He shits on Trout. I mean, defense.

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Dec 6, 2019 22:39:36 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Dec 6, 2019 22:22:41 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Marsinick only had 73 starts, ,and 40 of those were when Springer injured, plus also close to 10 for others when it was warranted.  Under those circumstancs, I don't think the intent was that his role was meant to be expanded to be a normal starter.  

Not really his fault he was promoted to that situation.

So, nearly half the games in the season.

Yes.  Because Springer was injured 40 of those.  Without those, Marsinink would have been mostly the player he was intended to be.  "A late game defensive replacement".  For that role, his offense was typical.

[thomasj13]

Dec 7, 2019 5:47:03 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Dec 6, 2019 22:39:36 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

So, nearly half the games in the season.

Yes.  Because Springer was injured 40 of those.  Without those, Marsinink would have been mostly the player he was intended to be.  "A late game defensive replacement".  For that role, his offense was typical.

Players are put into starting role because of team needs, and will receive criticism based on performance. Marisnick's offense production, or lack thereof, was a team burden for a gigantic percentage of his time here.

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Dec 7, 2019 6:20:09 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

Dec 7, 2019 5:47:03 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Yes.  Because Springer was injured 40 of those.  Without those, Marsinink would have been mostly the player he was intended to be.  "A late game defensive replacement".  For that role, his offense was typical.

Players are put into starting role because of team needs, and will receive criticism based on performance. Marisnick's offense production, or lack thereof, was a team burden for a gigantic percentage of his time here.

We can beat this horse to death, but with the realities of budgets, caps, and fractional billion dollar payrolls, you can not put an AS in every position, especially when it comes to adding subs.   
Geez...   The man made $2.1M last year, and the torches and pitchforks were out in this freakin' forum.    Sadly, just because he didn't hit as well as our vaunted starters.  Jake's ceiling has always been a late inning defensive add.  Asking for anything more is sheer madness.

With him gone as a whipping boy, you guys have got to find a new player to meet that role.

[talshill]

Dec 6, 2019 22:38:37 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Dec 6, 2019 22:07:47 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

The problem was his role was often expanded to a starter when his bat did not warrant it. That’s why he was often criticized. Also, the team liked to fluff up his value to the team, and that value was just not there.

Everytime he stood there with his bat on his shoulder watching strike 3 with the bases loaded or men on 2nd and 3rd (or worse, dribbled the ball to an infielder), he earned every fecking bit of the abuse he got. The 5 or 6 circus catches he made during the whole season weren't enough to make up for swinging the bat like Catfish does.

"...like Catfish does."  Reminds me of a story about Ted Williams, the man who, for my money, was the best hitter of all time.  Late in his life he was at an all-star game and a reporter asked him, "Mr. Williams, if you were playing today how well do you think you'd hit against modern pitching?"  Ted replied, "Probably .240-.245"  The reporter was shocked.  "You think today's pitchers are that much better than they used to be?"  Ted looked at him like he was crazy.  "No, son.  I'm 75 years old."

[thomasj13]

Dec 7, 2019 7:48:59 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Dec 7, 2019 6:20:09 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

Players are put into starting role because of team needs, and will receive criticism based on performance. Marisnick's offense production, or lack thereof, was a team burden for a gigantic percentage of his time here.

We can beat this horse to death, but with the realities of budgets, caps, and fractional billion dollar payrolls, you can not put an AS in every position, especially when it comes to adding subs.   
Geez...   The man made $2.1M last year, and the torches and pitchforks were out in this freakin' forum.    Sadly, just because he didn't hit as well as our vaunted starters.  Jake's ceiling has always been a late inning defensive add.  Asking for anything more is sheer madness.

With him gone as a whipping boy, you guys have got to find a new player to meet that role.

What whipping boys have you had in the past? Ones when they were at the plate or on the mound, and you felt hopeless before the first pitch?
I am sure for many here, for the last 4 seasons, Marisnick was their answer. If he was batting, especially when it mattered, you felt all was lost.

[blcoach8]

Dec 7, 2019 0:31:51 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

OOOOH, so it's the COACH'S fault that the shitty mfer couldn't hit. Thanks for letting us know.

I wouldn't say it was mostly the hitting coach's fault,but, if he goes to NY under Beltran and a different hitting coach and his numbers drastically improve, you can draw the conclusion that the hitting coaches in Houston were incompetent when it came to finding and correcting his flaws at the plate.

If he went to NY, hit .300 with 25 home runs and over 80 runs batted in, you would still say ne is the worst player in baseball., You proved time and again that you put no value on superior defense, which was what Marisnick was being paid to do. As I said, your bias and ignorance where he was concerned was obvious for all to see.

I stand by the statement that if Jake's hitting drastically improves in NY it is a reflection on the incompetence of the Astros hitting coaches,...Another former Astro, JD Davis, did nothing for us but put up 22 home runs for the Mets in 2019.  I have thought for a few years ow that our hitting coaches were second rate and I'm still waiting to be shown I was wrong.

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Dec 7, 2019 9:17:58 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

Dec 7, 2019 7:48:59 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

We can beat this horse to death, but with the realities of budgets, caps, and fractional billion dollar payrolls, you can not put an AS in every position, especially when it comes to adding subs.   
Geez...   The man made $2.1M last year, and the torches and pitchforks were out in this freakin' forum.    Sadly, just because he didn't hit as well as our vaunted starters.  Jake's ceiling has always been a late inning defensive add.  Asking for anything more is sheer madness.

With him gone as a whipping boy, you guys have got to find a new player to meet that role.

What whipping boys have you had in the past? Ones when they were at the plate or on the mound, and you felt hopeless before the first pitch?
I am sure for many here, for the last 4 seasons, Marisnick was their answer. If he was batting, especially when it mattered, you felt all was lost.

I have had a few.  

Giles-  Idiotic behavior coupled with wasting his talent

Omar Moreno- Bad mouths team and city after we start booing for playing lazily

Evan Gattis-  For his once in a lifetime grounding into a triple play, and other boneheaded stuff.

Denny LeMaster- Incredible talent for giving up leads with the pitch selection of a little leaguer.

10 - 20% of the 2011- 2013 Team.  AAA players who played like AA.  

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Dec 7, 2019 9:40:46 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Dec 7, 2019 0:31:51 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

OOOOH, so it's the COACH'S fault that the shitty mfer couldn't hit. Thanks for letting us know.

I wouldn't say it was mostly the hitting coach's fault,but, if he goes to NY under Beltran and a different hitting coach and his numbers drastically improve, you can draw the conclusion that the hitting coaches in Houston were incompetent when it came to finding and correcting his flaws at the plate.

If he went to NY, hit .300 with 25 home runs and over 80 runs batted in, you would still say ne is the worst player in baseball., You proved time and again that you put no value on superior defense, which was what Marisnick was being paid to do. As I said, your bias and ignorance where he was concerned was obvious for all to see.

I stand by the statement that if Jake's hitting drastically improves in NY it is a reflection on the incompetence of the Astros hitting coaches,...Another former Astro, JD Davis, did nothing for us but put up 22 home runs for the Mets in 2019.  I have thought for a few years ow that our hitting coaches were second rate and I'm still waiting to be shown I was wrong.

The J.D. Davis who is getting ready to be on the MLB blackball list for not jumping on the Astros are Cheaters bandwagon.

[blcoach8]

Dec 7, 2019 10:04:43 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Dec 7, 2019 9:40:46 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I wouldn't say it was mostly the hitting coach's fault,but, if he goes to NY under Beltran and a different hitting coach and his numbers drastically improve, you can draw the conclusion that the hitting coaches in Houston were incompetent when it came to finding and correcting his flaws at the plate.

If he went to NY, hit .300 with 25 home runs and over 80 runs batted in, you would still say ne is the worst player in baseball., You proved time and again that you put no value on superior defense, which was what Marisnick was being paid to do. As I said, your bias and ignorance where he was concerned was obvious for all to see.

I stand by the statement that if Jake's hitting drastically improves in NY it is a reflection on the incompetence of the Astros hitting coaches,...Another former Astro, JD Davis, did nothing for us but put up 22 home runs for the Mets in 2019.  I have thought for a few years ow that our hitting coaches were second rate and I'm still waiting to be shown I was wrong.

The J.D. Davis who is getting ready to be on the MLB blackball list for not jumping on the Astros are Cheaters bandwagon.

JD is either not being honest about what he knew or Fiers and some others are lying., I would not believe one word coming out of Fiers' mouth.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Dec 7, 2019 7:50:24 GMT -6 talshill said:

Dec 6, 2019 22:38:37 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Everytime he stood there with his bat on his shoulder watching strike 3 with the bases loaded or men on 2nd and 3rd (or worse, dribbled the ball to an infielder), he earned every fecking bit of the abuse he got. The 5 or 6 circus catches he made during the whole season weren't enough to make up for swinging the bat like Catfish does.

"...like Catfish does."  Reminds me of a story about Ted Williams, the man who, for my money, was the best hitter of all time.  Late in his life he was at an all-star game and a reporter asked him, "Mr. Williams, if you were playing today how well do you think you'd hit against modern pitching?"  Ted replied, "Probably .240-.245"  The reporter was shocked.  "You think today's pitchers are that much better than they used to be?"  Ted looked at him like he was crazy.  "No, son.  I'm 75 years old."

Ha...that’s awesome. 

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Dec 7, 2019 9:40:46 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Dec 7, 2019 0:31:51 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

OOOOH, so it's the COACH'S fault that the shitty mfer couldn't hit. Thanks for letting us know.

I wouldn't say it was mostly the hitting coach's fault,but, if he goes to NY under Beltran and a different hitting coach and his numbers drastically improve, you can draw the conclusion that the hitting coaches in Houston were incompetent when it came to finding and correcting his flaws at the plate.

If he went to NY, hit .300 with 25 home runs and over 80 runs batted in, you would still say ne is the worst player in baseball., You proved time and again that you put no value on superior defense, which was what Marisnick was being paid to do. As I said, your bias and ignorance where he was concerned was obvious for all to see.

I stand by the statement that if Jake's hitting drastically improves in NY it is a reflection on the incompetence of the Astros hitting coaches,...Another former Astro, JD Davis, did nothing for us but put up 22 home runs for the Mets in 2019.  I have thought for a few years ow that our hitting coaches were second rate and I'm still waiting to be shown I was wrong.

If the hitting coaches are so terrible (and important) that they made Marisnick suck worse than anyone in the league, how do you explain the Astros having one of the best offenses (historically good) under those same fecking coaches?

[olpapa]

Dec 7, 2019 13:09:59 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

Dec 7, 2019 9:40:46 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I wouldn't say it was mostly the hitting coach's fault,but, if he goes to NY under Beltran and a different hitting coach and his numbers drastically improve, you can draw the conclusion that the hitting coaches in Houston were incompetent when it came to finding and correcting his flaws at the plate.

If he went to NY, hit .300 with 25 home runs and over 80 runs batted in, you would still say ne is the worst player in baseball., You proved time and again that you put no value on superior defense, which was what Marisnick was being paid to do. As I said, your bias and ignorance where he was concerned was obvious for all to see.

I stand by the statement that if Jake's hitting drastically improves in NY it is a reflection on the incompetence of the Astros hitting coaches,...Another former Astro, JD Davis, did nothing for us but put up 22 home runs for the Mets in 2019.  I have thought for a few years ow that our hitting coaches were second rate and I'm still waiting to be shown I was wrong.

If the hitting coaches are so terrible (and important) that they made Marisnick suck worse than anyone in the league, how do you explain the Astros having one of the best offenses (historically good) under those same fecking coaches?

Unfortunately the same long locks that made the women swoon, also impaired Jake’s ability to hear the banging on the trash can.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Dec 7, 2019 13:29:48 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Dec 7, 2019 13:09:59 GMT -6 ɮօʀȶǟʐ said:

If the hitting coaches are so terrible (and important) that they made Marisnick suck worse than anyone in the league, how do you explain the Astros having one of the best offenses (historically good) under those same fecking coaches?

Unfortunately the same long locks that made the women swoon, also impaired Jake’s ability to hear the banging on the trash can.

Heh.