marshall
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Post by marshall on Apr 7, 2021 19:42:30 GMT -6
Would anybody be surprised if Verlander signed a club friendly contract with Detroit this off season?
I appreciate the 2017-2019 performances, but the 2 year, $66M contract for one game leaves a bitter taste. But he wanted to stay in Detroit and they needed to rebuild. But they might be ready now. I don't think anyone will give him full value after two years at his age.
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 7, 2021 21:59:20 GMT -6
Would anybody be surprised if Verlander signed a club friendly contract with Detroit this off season?
I appreciate the 2017-2019 performances, but the 2 year, $66M contract for one game leaves a bitter taste. But he wanted to stay in Detroit and they needed to rebuild. But they might be ready now. I don't think anyone will give him full value after two years at his age.
We need to make him an offer, but, nothing close to what he was getting. I don't think it's definite that he won't be back at the end of this season or post season. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 8, 2021 7:42:46 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like he isn't going to want to settle for a rebuilding team.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 8, 2021 8:02:20 GMT -6
He has stated that he plans to try to play well into his 40s
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 8, 2021 9:32:29 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like he isn't going to want to settle for a rebuilding team. I think a rebuilding team would be exactly the right venue. I can't imagine any team willing to invest more for more than one year, until he re-establishes his value. Unless those additional years come at a highly discounted rate. And I don't think JV will sign cheap for more than one year. Unless we something truly amazing from JV at the end of the regular season and/or this postseason, I don't think a contending team will want to tie up their rotation with a pitcher who may or may not pan out for the season. So a cheap deal with rebuilding team would be likely, with the hope of trading him at the deadline (or sooner). Not sure how well he would fit with Tigers, though. They have a lot of young pitchers and they may need to use all of their slots in the starting rotation for them next season. However having JV would be good, in terms of mentoring some of the very young pitchers. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 8, 2021 10:37:56 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like he isn't going to want to settle for a rebuilding team. I think a rebuilding team would be exactly the right venue. I can't imagine any team willing to invest more for more than one year, until he re-establishes his value. Unless those additional years come at a highly discounted rate. And I don't think JV will sign cheap for more than one year. Unless we something truly amazing from JV at the end of the regular season and/or this postseason, I don't think a contending team will want to tie up their rotation with a pitcher who may or may not pan out for the season. So a cheap deal with rebuilding team would be likely, with the hope of trading him at the deadline (or sooner). Not sure how well he would fit with Tigers, though. They have a lot of young pitchers and they may need to use all of their slots in the starting rotation for them next season. However having JV would be good, in terms of mentoring some of the very young pitchers. I'd be surprised if he cared about a long contract. I think if a contending team offers him $15-20 million for a year he'd take that over a 2-3 year deal. If he wanted a long contract he wouldn't have signed a 2-year extension with us. I obviously don't know the guy, but it seems like he is in these remaining years to seal his legacy and go out with as many accolades as possible. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 8, 2021 15:27:29 GMT -6
I think a rebuilding team would be exactly the right venue. I can't imagine any team willing to invest more for more than one year, until he re-establishes his value. Unless those additional years come at a highly discounted rate. And I don't think JV will sign cheap for more than one year. Unless we something truly amazing from JV at the end of the regular season and/or this postseason, I don't think a contending team will want to tie up their rotation with a pitcher who may or may not pan out for the season. So a cheap deal with rebuilding team would be likely, with the hope of trading him at the deadline (or sooner). Not sure how well he would fit with Tigers, though. They have a lot of young pitchers and they may need to use all of their slots in the starting rotation for them next season. However having JV would be good, in terms of mentoring some of the very young pitchers. I'd be surprised if he cared about a long contract. I think if a contending team offers him $15-20 million for a year he'd take that over a 2-3 year deal. If he wanted a long contract he wouldn't have signed a 2-year extension with us. I obviously don't know the guy, but it seems like he is in these remaining years to seal his legacy and go out with as many accolades as possible. I doubt if we will know what he wants until we see how he feels when he is able to return. I see no reason why we would not want to re-sign him if he is healthy and wants to stay. We don't know what kind of contract it would take to retain Verlander or Greinke. Both are worth looking into. If healthy. I certainly wouldn't oppose giving JV 2-3 years at $20 millon per year. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 8, 2021 15:36:24 GMT -6
I'd be surprised if he cared about a long contract. I think if a contending team offers him $15-20 million for a year he'd take that over a 2-3 year deal. If he wanted a long contract he wouldn't have signed a 2-year extension with us. I obviously don't know the guy, but it seems like he is in these remaining years to seal his legacy and go out with as many accolades as possible. It's always the goal of any agent to lock in as many years at as high a rate as possible for their player. At the time JV signed his extension (March 2019) the two years plus the one year remaining on his existing contract, totaled $94MM for three years. That was a lot of security and it paid off big time, for JV. If you were to offer a $15-20MM one-year (2022) extension to JV right now, I assure you he'd be on that like a fat kid on a cookie. And unless he has several quality starts this year, I think the same can be said in the coming off-season. But I doubt that would be a wise offer for any team to make. JMO. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 8, 2021 15:41:26 GMT -6
I'd be surprised if he cared about a long contract. I think if a contending team offers him $15-20 million for a year he'd take that over a 2-3 year deal. If he wanted a long contract he wouldn't have signed a 2-year extension with us. I obviously don't know the guy, but it seems like he is in these remaining years to seal his legacy and go out with as many accolades as possible. It's always the goal of any agent to lock in as many years at as high a rate as possible for their player. At the time JV signed his extension (March 2019) the two years plus the one year remaining on his existing contract, totaled $94MM for three years. That was a lot of security and it paid off big time, for JV. If you were to offer a $15-20MM one-year (2022) extension to JV right now, I assure you he'd be on that like a fat kid on a cookie. And unless he has several quality starts this year, I think the same can be said in the coming off-season. But I doubt that would be a wise offer for any team to make. JMO. That's normally the goal for agents, but he's not like any player. He's already made almost $300 million from his player career alone, not counting endorsements, and, unlike most players, his wife makes plenty of money as well. I'm sure he'll want to be paid what he thinks he is worth, but I don't think he'll want to spend his remaining years on a rebuilding team. Especially if he still feels (and I'm sure he does) that he will be competitive. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 8, 2021 15:53:13 GMT -6
It's always the goal of any agent to lock in as many years at as high a rate as possible for their player. At the time JV signed his extension (March 2019) the two years plus the one year remaining on his existing contract, totaled $94MM for three years. That was a lot of security and it paid off big time, for JV. If you were to offer a $15-20MM one-year (2022) extension to JV right now, I assure you he'd be on that like a fat kid on a cookie. And unless he has several quality starts this year, I think the same can be said in the coming off-season. But I doubt that would be a wise offer for any team to make. JMO. That's normally the goal for agents, but he's not like any player. He's already made almost $300 million from his player career alone, not counting endorsements, and, unlike most players, his wife makes plenty of money as well. I'm sure he'll want to be paid what he thinks he is worth, but I don't think he'll want to spend his remaining years on a rebuilding team. Especially if he still feels (and I'm sure he does) that he will be competitive. Verlander and Greinke will both want to finish their careers wanting a chance to play to win a WS. They can get that with the Astros assuming we make the necessary moves to keep good position players in the lineup. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Apr 8, 2021 16:00:35 GMT -6
That's normally the goal for agents, but he's not like any player. He's already made almost $300 million from his player career alone, not counting endorsements, and, unlike most players, his wife makes plenty of money as well. I'm sure he'll want to be paid what he thinks he is worth, but I don't think he'll want to spend his remaining years on a rebuilding team. Especially if he still feels (and I'm sure he does) that he will be competitive. There's no risk of that happening unless he's a total train wreck. The reason for a rebuilding team to offer him a one-year deal is with the hope of flipping him at the deadline. And they won't offer him the $15-20MM you cited. |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 8, 2021 17:33:36 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like he isn't going to want to settle for a rebuilding team. |
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Post by marshall on Apr 8, 2021 17:38:40 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like he isn't going to want to settle for a rebuilding team. I doubt that. He gets stronger after an inning or two. Of course the first year after surgery is usually bleh. |
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Post by bearbryant on Apr 8, 2021 18:12:11 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised, but I feel like he isn't going to want to settle for a rebuilding team. I think a rebuilding team would be exactly the right venue. I can't imagine any team willing to invest more for more than one year, until he re-establishes his value. Unless those additional years come at a highly discounted rate. And I don't think JV will sign cheap for more than one year. Unless we something truly amazing from JV at the end of the regular season and/or this postseason, I don't think a contending team will want to tie up their rotation with a pitcher who may or may not pan out for the season. So a cheap deal with rebuilding team would be likely, with the hope of trading him at the deadline (or sooner). Not sure how well he would fit with Tigers, though. They have a lot of young pitchers and they may need to use all of their slots in the starting rotation for them next season. However having JV would be good, in terms of mentoring some of the very young pitchers. |
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