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Post by blcoach8 on May 18, 2021 18:22:38 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on May 18, 2021 19:26:15 GMT -6
Baseball left that drunk behind years ago.
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Post by abregmanfan on May 18, 2021 20:17:59 GMT -6
Baseball left that drunk behind years ago. I am with Tony on this one. If your boss tells you to do something and you do something different you should be punished. Why have a boss if you don't listen to him? |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 18, 2021 21:14:40 GMT -6
I’m torn on this. He should usually be able to swing whenever he wants, but if the manager explicitly told him to take, he should have listened. Otherwise, what’s the point in having a manager if you’re going to do it your way 100% of the time?
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Post by abregmanfan on May 18, 2021 21:23:48 GMT -6
I’m torn on this. He should usually be able to swing whenever he wants, but if the manager explicitly told him to take, he should have listened. Otherwise, what’s the point in having a manager if you’re going to do it your way 100% of the time? My thoughts 100%. These youngsters never learn... |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 18, 2021 21:36:14 GMT -6
I’m torn on this. He should usually be able to swing whenever he wants, but if the manager explicitly told him to take, he should have listened. Otherwise, what’s the point in having a manager if you’re going to do it your way 100% of the time? My thoughts 100%. These youngsters never learn... It’s a league of players who keep saying, “Look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me!” |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 18, 2021 23:20:51 GMT -6
Baseball left that drunk behind years ago. I am with Tony on this one. If your boss tells you to do something and you do something different you should be punished. Why have a boss if you don't listen to him? No manager who isn't an idiot tells his players NOT to hit a home run. |
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Post by Saint on May 19, 2021 5:24:01 GMT -6
Baseball left that drunk behind years ago. I am with Tony on this one. If your boss tells you to do something and you do something different you should be punished. Why have a boss if you don't listen to him? His boss told him to go up there and try not to be successful? |
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Post by abregmanfan on May 19, 2021 8:17:37 GMT -6
I am with Tony on this one. If your boss tells you to do something and you do something different you should be punished. Why have a boss if you don't listen to him? His boss told him to go up there and try not to be successful? It was a 3-0 count. The MANAGER gave him the take sign. He had the green light earlier in the count. |
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Post by Saint on May 19, 2021 8:28:08 GMT -6
His boss told him to go up there and try not to be successful? It was a 3-0 count. The MANAGER gave him the take sign. He had the green light earlier in the count. What I read said that he was up with a 3-0 count and LaRussa yelled out to take as he was getting ready for the pitch, and that he missed the call. No coach gave him a take signal before he stepped into the batter's box. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 19, 2021 9:07:39 GMT -6
It was a 3-0 count. The MANAGER gave him the take sign. He had the green light earlier in the count. What I read said that he was up with a 3-0 count and LaRussa yelled out to take as he was getting ready for the pitch, and that he missed the call. No coach gave him a take signal before he stepped into the batter's box. An example of another big deal over nothing. The guy is a hitter.......He hit a home run......LaRussa needs to sober up and forget it. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 19, 2021 9:42:06 GMT -6
Not cool.
I agree with the thought: With an 11 run lead in the ninth you don't need to add insult to injury. With a 3-0 count the batter takes the pitch all the way. I don't care if it's a position player pitching or the best pitcher in baseball. Even a rookie needs to learn that lesson. But that's not the way to teach it.
Running out on the field to scold your player and raking him over the coals to the press are mistakes a rookie manager might make. Coming from a HoF manager with 30 years experience, this is unforgivable.
Yes, you publicly apologize to the other team. But you protect your player, saying it was a bad decision made in the heat of the moment. He reverted to the mindset of playing the best possible baseball, regardless of the situation. Then you deal with the player, calmly and privately.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 19, 2021 9:49:08 GMT -6
My thoughts 100%. These youngsters never learn... It’s a league of players who keep saying, “Look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me!” Every HR that player hits will be highly important to that player when his next contract comes due. The manager has no business telling him to do something that will limit his ability to get a better contract. This entire shitty scenario is on the opposing team's manager for allowing that fat f*** to go up there and throw 45 mph pitches, making a mockery of the game. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 19, 2021 10:05:21 GMT -6
It’s a league of players who keep saying, “Look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me!” Every HR that player hits will be highly important to that player when his next contract comes due. The manager has no business telling him to do something that will limit his ability to get a better contract. This entire shitty scenario is on the opposing team's manager for allowing that fat f*** to go up there and throw 45 mph pitches, making a mockery of the game. Yeah, but no one is calling up scouts to see highlights of a homer off a doughy emergency tosser. It would be like if I went for a layup and Hakeem in his prime blocked me. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 19, 2021 10:06:16 GMT -6
For the record, I think LaRussa publicly shitting on his player is a douche move.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 19, 2021 10:07:16 GMT -6
Every HR that player hits will be highly important to that player when his next contract comes due. The manager has no business telling him to do something that will limit his ability to get a better contract. This entire shitty scenario is on the opposing team's manager for allowing that fat f*** to go up there and throw 45 mph pitches, making a mockery of the game. Yeah, but no one is calling up scouts to see highlights of a homer off a doughy emergency tosser. It would be like if I went for a layup and Hakeem in his prime blocked me. No one is checking under what scenario ANY homers were hit. They aren't recorded as "21 HR, +1 off a fat tosser". |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 19, 2021 10:24:00 GMT -6
It’s a league of players who keep saying, “Look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me look at me!” Every HR that player hits will be highly important to that player when his next contract comes due. The manager has no business telling him to do something that will limit his ability to get a better contract. This entire shitty scenario is on the opposing team's manager for allowing that fat f*** to go up there and throw 45 mph pitches, making a mockery of the game. I disagree. Completely. If a manager tells you to bunt, you do your best to lay down a bunt even if the pitch is a big fat cookie begging to be given its wings to the outfield seats. If a manager tells you to take a 3-0 pitch, you take it. A player who is only interested in running up his own stats is a cancer. If you can treat it with chemo, great. If not, cut it out surgically. |
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Post by Saint on May 19, 2021 10:41:17 GMT -6
1. The manager's have a right to call the plays. If the guy had been given a take signal before he got in the batter's box and ignored it, there would be a reason for the manager to be annoyed. But that's not what happened.
2. That being said, I don't know why a manager would be calling anything during a blowout at that time. Let the players figure it out.
3. Should the guy have swung at 3-0? Who cares in a blowout? If it was a close game with a guy being wild, I get it. Make him throw you a strike and maybe get his pitch count up. But a blowout? Who gives a sh*t?
4. Saving your bullpen with a position player is a strategy. I don't have a problem with it.
5. LaRussa handled it all very poorly and should support his players. Supposedly the players don't like him already. He had a chance to earn some support from them and blew it.
6. Did I mentioned that LaRussa is a useless drunk?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 19, 2021 11:40:28 GMT -6
1. The manager's have a right to call the plays. If the guy had been given a take signal before he got in the batter's box and ignored it, there would be a reason for the manager to be annoyed. But that's not what happened. 2. That being said, I don't know why a manager would be calling anything during a blowout at that time. Let the players figure it out. 3. Should the guy have swung at 3-0? Who cares in a blowout? If it was a close game with a guy being wild, I get it. Make him throw you a strike and maybe get his pitch count up. But a blowout? Who gives a sh*t? 4. Saving your bullpen with a position player is a strategy. I don't have a problem with it. 5. LaRussa handled it all very poorly and should support his players. Supposedly the players don't like him already. He had a chance to earn some support from them and blew it. 6. Did I mentioned that LaRussa is a useless drunk? Coincidentally, I don’t have a problem with it either. I do have a problem with bitching about said position player getting bombed. If the game is such a blowout already that you can run Corch out into the mound and then expect all hitters to just take pitches, then forfeit the f***ing game. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 19, 2021 12:25:45 GMT -6
I do have a problem with bitching about said position player getting bombed. Agreed. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 19, 2021 13:58:29 GMT -6
1. The manager's have a right to call the plays. If the guy had been given a take signal before he got in the batter's box and ignored it, there would be a reason for the manager to be annoyed. But that's not what happened. 2. That being said, I don't know why a manager would be calling anything during a blowout at that time. Let the players figure it out. 3. Should the guy have swung at 3-0? Who cares in a blowout? If it was a close game with a guy being wild, I get it. Make him throw you a strike and maybe get his pitch count up. But a blowout? Who gives a sh*t? 4. Saving your bullpen with a position player is a strategy. I don't have a problem with it. 5. LaRussa handled it all very poorly and should support his players. Supposedly the players don't like him already. He had a chance to earn some support from them and blew it. 6. Did I mentioned that LaRussa is a useless drunk? Coincidentally, I don’t have a problem with it either. I do have a problem with bitching about said position player getting bombed. If the game is such a blowout already that you can run Corch out into the mound and then expect all hitters to just take pitches, then forfeit the f***ing game. I had rather run you out there and watch the players on the other team double over dying with laughter. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 19, 2021 14:18:35 GMT -6
I don’t care about the position player giving up a homer. I simultaneously have a problem with the player disobeying the manager and said manager scolding his player openly to the media.
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Post by abregmanfan on May 19, 2021 14:19:37 GMT -6
Coincidentally, I don’t have a problem with it either. I do have a problem with bitching about said position player getting bombed. If the game is such a blowout already that you can run Corch out into the mound and then expect all hitters to just take pitches, then forfeit the f***ing game. I had rather run you out there and watch the players on the other team double over dying with laughter. What is your fastball sitting at, coach? |
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Post by Saint on May 19, 2021 14:29:14 GMT -6
You have to do what the manager says, but the manager has to do that in a timely manner.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 19, 2021 14:33:01 GMT -6
You have to do what the manager says, but the manager has to do that in a timely manner. My thing is if the player doesn’t listen to the manager, then why have a manager at all? |
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Post by Saint on May 19, 2021 14:44:11 GMT -6
You have to do what the manager says, but the manager has to do that in a timely manner. My thing is if the player doesn’t listen to the manager, then why have a manager at all? Did they say he didn't listen to the manager? Missing a sign is different from not listening. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 19, 2021 14:45:22 GMT -6
My thing is if the player doesn’t listen to the manager, then why have a manager at all? Did they say he didn't listen to the manager? Missing a sign is different from not listening. Didn’t the manager give the sign? |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 19, 2021 15:05:53 GMT -6
I had rather run you out there and watch the players on the other team double over dying with laughter. What is your fastball sitting at, coach? around 50. LOL |
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Post by Saint on May 19, 2021 15:15:30 GMT -6
Did they say he didn't listen to the manager? Missing a sign is different from not listening. Didn’t the manager give the sign? The ESPN article said he "saw how the hitter was setting up for the pitch and starting yelling at him to take". |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 19, 2021 15:31:39 GMT -6
Didn’t the manager give the sign? The ESPN article said he "saw how the hitter was setting up for the pitch and starting yelling at him to take". I’m confused. Doesn’t that count as an order? |
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