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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 26, 2018 21:31:41 GMT -6
Has any Astros relief pitcher ever been considered lock-down, a sure thing? Maybe Wagner, Lidge, or Dave Smith in their primes? It can't be a long list. Even Kenley Jansen couldn't get the job done in the World Series. I would probably add Joe Sambito to that list |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 26, 2018 21:36:47 GMT -6
Fans will always be biting their nails late in a close game. It's human nature.
Last year, Jansen held opponents scoreless in 89% of his outings and Kimbrel, in 87% of his. For Giles it was 81%. Sipp has held 'em scoreless in 77% of his spring training appearances.
Even the best relievers will allow runs in 10 to 15% of their outings. If the Astros bullpen can just keep that number down to around 20% for the bullpen as a whole, it will be a great season.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 26, 2018 21:45:05 GMT -6
As much as many Astros fans don't like Giles, the vast majority of teams would be overjoyed to have him. He would be an improvement to literally every bullpen.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 26, 2018 21:45:09 GMT -6
Sherwin doesn't like Harris because he thinks he looks like George W. Bush.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 26, 2018 21:55:58 GMT -6
In the entirety of last season, there were 4 games (out of 63 in which Giles appeared) that the Astros lost due to runs given up by Giles. That just 6.4% of his total appearances. So you could say that more than 90% of the time, when Giles appeared the Astros were going to win; or at least if they did lose, it wasn't because of Giles.
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 26, 2018 22:01:34 GMT -6
In the entirety of last season, there were 4 games (out of 63 in which Giles appeared) that the Astros lost due to runs given up by Giles. That just 6.4% of his total appearances. So you could say that more than 90% of the time, when Giles appeared the Astros were going to win; or at least if they did lose, it wasn't because of Giles. The problem with Giles was pitching clean innings. When it came to drama he kept it at it's best. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 26, 2018 22:04:25 GMT -6
Tucker hit a grand slam tonight against the Brewers. That kid had himself a spring.
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 26, 2018 22:07:52 GMT -6
Tucker hit a grand slam tonight against the Brewers. That kid had himself a spring. He is making a good case for himself. If it wasn't trying to break a WS roster he would have already hit his way on the team. The stros have the luxury to be patient. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 26, 2018 22:20:08 GMT -6
In the entirety of last season, there were 4 games (out of 63 in which Giles appeared) that the Astros lost due to runs given up by Giles. That just 6.4% of his total appearances. So you could say that more than 90% of the time, when Giles appeared the Astros were going to win; or at least if they did lose, it wasn't because of Giles. The problem with Giles was pitching clean innings. When it came to drama he kept it at it's best. I would certainly agree with that. He had me on the edge of my seat along with everyone else. Looking back at his game logs, he had clean outings (no hits, no walks) in 25 of his 63 appearances (40%). It's not an easy thing to do in the big leagues; most relievers struggle to keep a WHIP under 1.00, which by definition means that on average they are giving up a hit or a walk per inning. Jansen, by comparison, had clean outings in 31 of his 65 appearances (48%). So the difference between what Giles delivered and the best we might expect him to be (i.e. equivalent to Jansen) was only 8% or about 6 extra clean innings over the course of the season. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 26, 2018 22:37:54 GMT -6
The problem with Giles was pitching clean innings. When it came to drama he kept it at it's best. I would certainly agree with that. He had me on the edge of my seat along with everyone else. Looking back at his game logs, he had clean outings (no hits, no walks) in 25 of his 63 appearances (40%). It's not an easy thing to do in the big leagues; most relievers struggle to keep a WHIP under 1.00, which by definition means that on average they are giving up a hit or a walk per inning. Jansen, by comparison, had clean outings in 31 of his 65 appearances (48%). So the difference between what Giles delivered and the best we might expect him to be (i.e. equivalent to Jansen) was only 8% or about 6 extra clean innings over the course of the season. Thanks for the stats, just from watching games and not looking it up, I was surprised at the 40% rate. It just seemed it would have been at a lower rate. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 26, 2018 22:38:39 GMT -6
Tucker hit a grand slam tonight against the Brewers. That kid had himself a spring. Fisher is probably getting worried about keeping his job. If Tucker goes to AAA and tears the cover off the ball and Fisher slumps. Tucker could be brought up ahead of schdule. Whenver he comes up, he will be in the lineup. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 26, 2018 22:47:59 GMT -6
Tucker hit a grand slam tonight against the Brewers. That kid had himself a spring. Fisher is probably getting worried about keeping his job. If Tucker goes to AAA and tears the cover off the ball and Fisher slumps. Tucker could be brought up ahead of schdule. Whenver he comes up, he will be in the lineup. Marisnick slumping would also help push up the timetable to get Tucker into Minute Maid Park. Jake from Rake Farm has struck out over 40% of the time this spring (last time I looked at the stats anyway) and he did so in 2 of his 3 ABs in today's exhibition game. Juts not looking like 2017 Jake at all. Maybe the Astros can trade Jake to the Yankees, who will accept the deal just so he will stop throwing them out at home plate. And the Astros get, I don't know... Tommy Kahnle in return. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 27, 2018 9:26:46 GMT -6
That's because 2017 Jake wasn't real. It was a fluke. I'm just glad the team didn't pull a Sipp and extend him for millions of dollars, based on the fluke year.
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 27, 2018 13:51:55 GMT -6
Copied from Rotoworld....for those that don't need Viagra, put a pillow over your pants now
1. Houston Astros
They’re the defending World Series champions, and they could be even better this season. They’ll get a full year of Justin Verlander, they acquired Gerrit Cole via trade this winter, and young stars Carlos Correa and Alex Bregman look poised to take another leap forward. A shocking fact: Mike Fiers led the Astros in innings pitched during the 2017 regular season. He’s now barely hanging on with the rebuilding Tigers.
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 27, 2018 13:52:55 GMT -6
That's because 2017 Jake wasn't real. It was a fluke. I'm just glad the team didn't pull a Sipp and extend him for millions of dollars, based on the fluke year. Jake's Dad (hatch) is going to be so mad at your disbelief in his son. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 28, 2018 1:47:28 GMT -6
All I’ve got to say about Harris is never forget 2015...
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 28, 2018 13:27:19 GMT -6
All I’ve got to say about Harris is never forget 2015... With Harris since he has been with the Stros, we have witnessed the end of the year dead arm. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 28, 2018 13:47:17 GMT -6
All I’ve got to say about Harris is never forget 2015... Are you referring to Harris's 1.90 ERA for that season, or his meltdown in Game 4 vs Kansas City? No snark intended here, I just really wasn't sure which aspect of Harris's pitching in 2015 you were referring to. He definitely led us all on a roller coaster that year. Without him, the team probably never gets to the postseason. With his Game 4 meltdown, dreams of the ALCS are dashed. In retrospect, that team had so many holes, it was never going to go far in the postseason. The whole Cinderella mystique was fun though. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 28, 2018 13:50:02 GMT -6
I’ll give Harris credit for one thing. Without his masterful job at holding the Dodgers to a 3-1 lead in Game 2, who knows how the series would’ve ended?
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 28, 2018 13:52:18 GMT -6
Looking back at the 2015 playoff team, the Astros were blessed with two Top 15 relievers (by ERA): Will Harris (#10 at 1.90 ERA) and Tony Sipp (#13 at 1.99 ERA). Ken Giles was still with the Phillies that year and came in at #6 with a 1.80 ERA. Of course the Astros quickly acquired him too. So one might say that getting Giles compensated for Sipp's fall from grace. If all 3 of those guys could get clicking this year, plus Smith and Rondon, look out American League... and NLCS winner too. Opponents will be counting their lucky stars just to score 4 runs in a game.
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 28, 2018 14:18:03 GMT -6
Looking back at the 2015 playoff team, the Astros were blessed with two Top 15 relievers (by ERA): Will Harris (#10 at 1.90 ERA) and Tony Sipp (#13 at 1.99 ERA). Ken Giles was still with the Phillies that year and came in at #6 with a 1.80 ERA. Of course the Astros quickly acquired him too. So one might say that getting Giles compensated for Sipp's fall from grace. If all 3 of those guys could get clicking this year, plus Smith and Rondon, look out American League... and NLCS winner too. Opponents will be counting their lucky stars just to score 4 runs in a game. Looking at the jump in innings and appearances from 2014-15, plus that stretch run in 15. Harris was called upon quite frequently. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 28, 2018 14:48:35 GMT -6
That's because 2017 Jake wasn't real. It was a fluke. I'm just glad the team didn't pull a Sipp and extend him for millions of dollars, based on the fluke year. Jake's Dad (hatch) is going to be so mad at your disbelief in his son. They have been very patient with Jake and he has yet to show he can be consistent at the plate. He will have a hot streak from time to time and hit home runs, but, nothing consistent. His main value is as a defensive OF and pinch runner. However, if Tucker shows he is ready..and he is nearly there now......maybe Jake can be traded, bring Tucker up as full-time left-fielder, and use Fisher as the 4th outfielder. I like Jake, but , he should not be kept on the roster if it means holding Tucker back. As for relief pitchers, I still have to wonder why Greg Holland is still unsigned and why Luhnow has not made an offer, if he hasn't |
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Post by m240 on Mar 28, 2018 15:33:16 GMT -6
My guess is that he would cost us a draft pick if we sign him now and nothing come June
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 28, 2018 16:07:57 GMT -6
There has to be some reason as to why he is still unsigned.
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 28, 2018 23:15:26 GMT -6
Are you referring to Harris's 1.90 ERA for that season, or his meltdown in Game 4 vs Kansas City? No snark intended here, I just really wasn't sure which aspect of Harris's pitching in 2015 you were referring to. He definitely led us all on a roller coaster that year. Without him, the team probably never gets to the postseason. With his Game 4 meltdown, dreams of the ALCS are dashed. In retrospect, that team had so many holes, it was never going to go far in the postseason. The whole Cinderella mystique was fun though. I was referring to the meltdown. The entire bullpen (outside of Sipp) was garbage in September, which carried into October. I guess if all else fails, they’re going to go to their starters as relievers, but let’s not forget how the regular relievers practically worked against them in the World Series. Let’s hope Rondon and Smith work out the way they hope. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 6, 2022 11:32:42 GMT -6
Anthony Castrovince has, this week, named the Astros the top offense in baseball, the top rotation in baseball, and top 3 bullpen. BUMP! |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 6, 2022 12:08:58 GMT -6
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Post by koolade2 on Nov 6, 2022 12:58:55 GMT -6
LOL, they make fun of people that bring back dead threads in another forum but from 2018 this was in the forgotten heap. I will say this the original idea of this thread Hits the mark full-time except for #1 Bull Pen.
Though has been pointed out in those Zombie threads there is always some bit of truth. I think "Anthony Castrovince" should revisit his original post and update it
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