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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 21, 2021 15:41:54 GMT -6
Maybe you need to a little research..........He led them to the WS in 2005. He also never played for an owner who would spend money to get players needed to make a run at a title. I wish we could have seen what Biggio, Bagwell, and that group could have done with Crane as the owner instead of a miser like Drayton McLane. Altuve has had a better overall group of players on his teams. Biggio had no Springers, Correas, Verlanders, etc. I have never said Jose isn't a great player, but, I'm not ready to name him the greatest Astro of all time. Opposing pitchers in the post season pitched around Biggio and Bagwell to get to the rest of the lineup which led to both of them having bad numbers because they swung at pitches they should have taken because they knew if they didn't drive in runs the Astros wouldn't score. Jose has never had to carry the load by himself in the last few years. In the beginning, he had nothing to go with him and the Astros strung 100 loss seasons together. Of course, those pitiful teams led to us getting draft picks to take Springer, Correa, Bregman, McCullers, and Tucker. Jose will probably finish being better overall, but, he hasn't earned it yet. Come on man, all Drayton did was pony up the pitching staff with Rocket and Andy for that 2005 run. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 21, 2021 15:51:09 GMT -6
Maybe you need to a little research..........He led them to the WS in 2005. He also never played for an owner who would spend money to get players needed to make a run at a title. I wish we could have seen what Biggio, Bagwell, and that group could have done with Crane as the owner instead of a miser like Drayton McLane. Altuve has had a better overall group of players on his teams. Biggio had no Springers, Correas, Verlanders, etc. I have never said Jose isn't a great player, but, I'm not ready to name him the greatest Astro of all time. Opposing pitchers in the post season pitched around Biggio and Bagwell to get to the rest of the lineup which led to both of them having bad numbers because they swung at pitches they should have taken because they knew if they didn't drive in runs the Astros wouldn't score. Jose has never had to carry the load by himself in the last few years. In the beginning, he had nothing to go with him and the Astros strung 100 loss seasons together. Of course, those pitiful teams led to us getting draft picks to take Springer, Correa, Bregman, McCullers, and Tucker. Jose will probably finish being better overall, but, he hasn't earned it yet. Come on man, all Drayton did was pony up the pitching staff with Rocket and Andy for that 2005 run. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 21, 2021 16:17:42 GMT -6
Come on man, all Drayton did was pony up the pitching staff with Rocket and Andy for that 2005 run. We can't blame Drayton for the offensive meltdown of certain players not showing up for the playoffs. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 21, 2021 16:45:20 GMT -6
Besides the reasons Todd and I listed, does anyone else know why Biggio got shafted from being a first-ballot HOFer? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 21, 2021 17:31:52 GMT -6
Maybe you need to a little research..........He led them to the WS in 2005. He also never played for an owner who would spend money to get players needed to make a run at a title. I wish we could have seen what Biggio, Bagwell, and that group could have done with Crane as the owner instead of a miser like Drayton McLane. Altuve has had a better overall group of players on his teams. Biggio had no Springers, Correas, Verlanders, etc. I have never said Jose isn't a great player, but, I'm not ready to name him the greatest Astro of all time. Opposing pitchers in the post season pitched around Biggio and Bagwell to get to the rest of the lineup which led to both of them having bad numbers because they swung at pitches they should have taken because they knew if they didn't drive in runs the Astros wouldn't score. Jose has never had to carry the load by himself in the last few years. In the beginning, he had nothing to go with him and the Astros strung 100 loss seasons together. Of course, those pitiful teams led to us getting draft picks to take Springer, Correa, Bregman, McCullers, and Tucker. Jose will probably finish being better overall, but, he hasn't earned it yet. Come on man, all Drayton did was pony up the pitching staff with Rocket and Andy for that 2005 run. And got rid of Billy Wagner because Billy had the balls to say what others thought......They had a chance to win and nothing was done to improve the team. Andy talked Roger into signing here and gave them a home town discount or the old miser would have passed on it. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 21, 2021 18:32:15 GMT -6
Come on man, all Drayton did was pony up the pitching staff with Rocket and Andy for that 2005 run. And got rid of Billy Wagner because Billy had the balls to say what others thought......They had a chance to win and nothing was done to improve the team. Andy talked Roger into signing here and gave them a home town discount or the old miser would have passed on it. You need to go back and research, all four losses in the 2005 WS was due to an offense. Losing those games by a total of 6 runs. Wagner would have been no bearing in that series. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 21, 2021 19:02:39 GMT -6
And got rid of Billy Wagner because Billy had the balls to say what others thought......They had a chance to win and nothing was done to improve the team. Andy talked Roger into signing here and gave them a home town discount or the old miser would have passed on it. You need to go back and research, all four losses in the 2005 WS was due to an offense. Losing those games by a total of 6 runs. Wagner would have been no bearing in that series. Agreed. They owned us that series. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 21, 2021 19:11:01 GMT -6
You need to go back and research, all four losses in the 2005 WS was due to an offense. Losing those games by a total of 6 runs. Wagner would have been no bearing in that series. Agreed. They owned us that series. Why would you need Wagner and the Stros had Lidge. Well at least on paper. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 21, 2021 22:05:31 GMT -6
I bet some still won't be satisfied You mean voters? And refugees posters. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 21, 2021 22:07:40 GMT -6
Besides the reasons Todd and I listed, does anyone else know why Biggio got shafted from being a first-ballot HOFer? Agreed 100% about the Bagwell part, but they tried to play up some BS that he was proven to be a user. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 22, 2021 8:55:08 GMT -6
Bagwell wasn't 1st ballot because he didn't reach any of the primary big milestones.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 22, 2021 10:12:47 GMT -6
Bagwell wasn't 1st ballot because he didn't reach any of the primary big milestones. Bagwell finishing with 449 homers is as bothersome as Kinsler finishing with 1,999 hits. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 22, 2021 10:59:01 GMT -6
Poor Bagwell said his dog throws harder than him. That made me a little sad remembering how bad his throws to infielders between innings were.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 22, 2021 12:47:21 GMT -6
And got rid of Billy Wagner because Billy had the balls to say what others thought......They had a chance to win and nothing was done to improve the team. Andy talked Roger into signing here and gave them a home town discount or the old miser would have passed on it. You need to go back and research, all four losses in the 2005 WS was due to an offense. Losing those games by a total of 6 runs. Wagner would have been no bearing in that series. I think Billy meant that nothing was added to improve the offense. I agree that offense is why we got hammered in that WS. |
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