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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 4, 2021 18:59:00 GMT -6
But...Salvador is on a losing team. By your own statements he doesn't get to win by default. Why would you even consider him as an option? I believe I said Salvador OR Vlad Jr. I originally said I'd give it Vlad Jr. and I stick by it, although I'd rather see it go to Kyle Tucker, who has better numbers than Ohtani or Vlad Jr. since May 2. Ohtani has hit around .220 since the AS break and closed out the season going 19-79 over the last month, yet people are still handing him the MVP. As some sportscasters said on both mlb network and ESPN, if Ohtani is going to get the award, the name should be changed to Player of the Year since his numbers actually meant nothing in determining his value to his team which would not have moved one spot in the standing with or without him. He is getting the award because he plays in a major market in LA , and, because he also pitches. A DH/P combo who finishes hitting .257 on a 4th place team is being handed the MVP. LMAO He is the darling of the media.......that's it. Going strictly by HR, RBI, BA, and OPS, Vlad Jr. wins it over Ohtani hands down........but, he plays in Canada not in LA. Too bad the season didn't start on May 2. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 19:01:46 GMT -6
I believe I said Salvador OR Vlad Jr. I originally said I'd give it Vlad Jr. and I stick by it, although I'd rather see it go to Kyle Tucker, who has better numbers than Ohtani or Vlad Jr. since May 2. Ohtani has hit around .220 since the AS break and closed out the season going 19-79 over the last month, yet people are still handing him the MVP. As some sportscasters said on both mlb network and ESPN, if Ohtani is going to get the award, the name should be changed to Player of the Year since his numbers actually meant nothing in determining his value to his team which would not have moved one spot in the standing with or without him. He is getting the award because he plays in a major market in LA , and, because he also pitches. A DH/P combo who finishes hitting .257 on a 4th place team is being handed the MVP. LMAO He is the darling of the media.......that's it. Going strictly by HR, RBI, BA, and OPS, Vlad Jr. wins it over Ohtani hands down........but, he plays in Canada not in LA. Too bad the season didn't start on May 2. Yes. But, they'd still find a way to give it to Ohtani even though he doesn't deserve it. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2021 20:36:49 GMT -6
Too bad the season didn't start on May 2. Yes. But, they'd still find a way to give it to Ohtani even though he doesn't deserve it. So using your criteria...who is the actual MVP for you? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 22:09:45 GMT -6
Yes. But, they'd still find a way to give it to Ohtani even though he doesn't deserve it. So using your criteria...who is the actual MVP for you? l would have co-MVP's: Kyle Tucker and Carlos Correa, who actually helped lead a team to a division title and were VALUABLE to the team. I certainly wouldn't give to Sideshow Ohtani. Neither hit below .260 on a 4th place team. Now, I await your next smart ass remark accompanied by some stats to make it look like Ohtani deserves it instead of just being promoted by the media. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2021 7:59:11 GMT -6
So using your criteria...who is the actual MVP for you? l would have co-MVP's: Kyle Tucker and Carlos Correa, who actually helped lead a team to a division title and were VALUABLE to the team. I certainly wouldn't give to Sideshow Ohtani. Neither hit below .260 on a 4th place team. Now, I await your next smart ass remark accompanied by some stats to make it look like Ohtani deserves it instead of just being promoted by the media. You don’t think those guys deserve an MVP over Pérez or Guerrero. Stop lying. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 5, 2021 8:06:04 GMT -6
You win the bonus round. 😃 |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 5, 2021 9:05:30 GMT -6
l would have co-MVP's: Kyle Tucker and Carlos Correa, who actually helped lead a team to a division title and were VALUABLE to the team. I certainly wouldn't give to Sideshow Ohtani. Neither hit below .260 on a 4th place team. Now, I await your next smart ass remark accompanied by some stats to make it look like Ohtani deserves it instead of just being promoted by the media. You don’t think those guys deserve an MVP over Pérez or Guerrero. Stop lying. Robel Garcia deserves the MVP over Ohtani, Perez and Vlad Jr. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2021 9:08:57 GMT -6
So using your criteria...who is the actual MVP for you? l would have co-MVP's: Kyle Tucker and Carlos Correa, who actually helped lead a team to a division title and were VALUABLE to the team. I certainly wouldn't give to Sideshow Ohtani. Neither hit below .260 on a 4th place team. Now, I await your next smart ass remark accompanied by some stats to make it look like Ohtani deserves it instead of just being promoted by the media. No, I actually don't think Correa is a bad choice. From a WAR standpoint, he was actually the highest ranked full-time position player thanks to his outstanding defense this year. I'm not saying he is the winner since I would still give it to Ohtani, but Correa isn't a bad choice (even though he has no shot). |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2021 9:09:10 GMT -6
You don’t think those guys deserve an MVP over Pérez or Guerrero. Stop lying. Robel Garcia deserves the MVP over Ohtani, Perez and Vlad Jr. Robel had that one walkoff. MVP! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2021 9:43:19 GMT -6
l would have co-MVP's: Kyle Tucker and Carlos Correa, who actually helped lead a team to a division title and were VALUABLE to the team. I certainly wouldn't give to Sideshow Ohtani. Neither hit below .260 on a 4th place team. Now, I await your next smart ass remark accompanied by some stats to make it look like Ohtani deserves it instead of just being promoted by the media. No, I actually don't think Correa is a bad choice. From a WAR standpoint, he was actually the highest ranked full-time position player thanks to his outstanding defense this year. I'm not saying he is the winner since I would still give it to Ohtani, but Correa isn't a bad choice (even though he has no shot). We knew you would still give it Ohtani even though he clearly does not deserve the award. He could be Player of the Year, but, to give him an award with the term VALUABLE in the title is ridiculous. How was he valuable? Nobody ever comes up with any reason for saying he's valuable. The media has been pushing him from day one. The guy is not a good hitter, but, he's a home run hitter. He has been terrible since the AS break with the exception of some home runs. Correa and Kyle Tucker lead their team to a division title and possible WS appearance. Tucker has been the league's best hitter for the last five months. Both he and Correa have been much more valuable to the Astros than Ohtani was to the Angels who would have finished 4th with or without him. But the media says he's the MVP and he is shoved down our throats daily by ESPN and mlb network so he must be the winner. LOL |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2021 10:00:24 GMT -6
No, I actually don't think Correa is a bad choice. From a WAR standpoint, he was actually the highest ranked full-time position player thanks to his outstanding defense this year. I'm not saying he is the winner since I would still give it to Ohtani, but Correa isn't a bad choice (even though he has no shot). We knew you would still give it Ohtani even though he clearly does not deserve the award. He could be Player of the Year, but, to give him an award with the term VALUABLE in the title is ridiculous. How was he valuable? Nobody ever comes up with any reason for saying he's valuable. The media has been pushing him from day one. The guy is not a good hitter, but, he's a home run hitter. He has been terrible since the AS break with the exception of some home runs. Correa and Kyle Tucker lead their team to a division title and possible WS appearance. Tucker has been the league's best hitter for the last five months. Both he and Correa have been much more valuable to the Astros than Ohtani was to the Angels who would have finished 4th with or without him. But the media says he's the MVP and he is shoved down our throats daily by ESPN and mlb network so he must be the winner. LOL You can have your opinion and others can have their own. Ohtani did have a poor August offensively (for him), but his value isn't solely based on his offense, which you seem to be focusing on. His 130 IP at a 141 ERA+ was also amazing. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2021 11:14:17 GMT -6
We knew you would still give it Ohtani even though he clearly does not deserve the award. He could be Player of the Year, but, to give him an award with the term VALUABLE in the title is ridiculous. How was he valuable? Nobody ever comes up with any reason for saying he's valuable. The media has been pushing him from day one. The guy is not a good hitter, but, he's a home run hitter. He has been terrible since the AS break with the exception of some home runs. Correa and Kyle Tucker lead their team to a division title and possible WS appearance. Tucker has been the league's best hitter for the last five months. Both he and Correa have been much more valuable to the Astros than Ohtani was to the Angels who would have finished 4th with or without him. But the media says he's the MVP and he is shoved down our throats daily by ESPN and mlb network so he must be the winner. LOL You can have your opinion and others can have their own. Ohtani did have a poor August offensively (for him), but his value isn't solely based on his offense, which you seem to be focusing on. His 130 IP at a 141 ERA+ was also amazing. Right you are. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. He hit around. 220 after the break. I don't think we ever had an MVP who hit under .260 for the season. The Angels seem to have a knack for being out of the playoff picture by the AS break and still ending up with the MVP. Trout had a long vacation this year which opened the door for Ohtani who actually stayed healthy for once. I realize so many are "amazed" at what he has done and that is OK. I just don't happen to believe that we he did was valuable to the Angels and was only valuable to Ohtani due to al lthe media attention he received. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2021 11:19:27 GMT -6
You can have your opinion and others can have their own. Ohtani did have a poor August offensively (for him), but his value isn't solely based on his offense, which you seem to be focusing on. His 130 IP at a 141 ERA+ was also amazing. Right you are. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. He hit around. 220 after the break. I don't think we ever had an MVP who hit under .260 for the season. The Angels seem to have a knack for being out of the playoff picture by the AS break and still ending up with the MVP. Trout had a long vacation this year which opened the door for Ohtani who actually stayed healthy for once. I realize so many are "amazed" at what he has done and that is OK. I just don't happen to believe that we he did was valuable to the Angels and was only valuable to Ohtani due to al lthe media attention he received. You’re not amazed by a starting pitcher who hit 40+ home runs and drove in 100 runners? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2021 11:27:56 GMT -6
Right you are. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. He hit around. 220 after the break. I don't think we ever had an MVP who hit under .260 for the season. The Angels seem to have a knack for being out of the playoff picture by the AS break and still ending up with the MVP. Trout had a long vacation this year which opened the door for Ohtani who actually stayed healthy for once. I realize so many are "amazed" at what he has done and that is OK. I just don't happen to believe that we he did was valuable to the Angels and was only valuable to Ohtani due to al lthe media attention he received. You’re not amazed by a starting pitcher who hit 40+ home runs and drove in 100 runners? The main thing I am amazed at this gullibility of so many who want to give t he MVP to a sideshow who hit under .260 on a 4th place team. Yes, it is amazing that he can pitch, hit 40 HR. and drive in 100 runs. But, just exactly how valuable were those numbers to his team? They have none for reasons I previously mentioned. Correa and Tucker are valuable because their numbers actually helped the Astros win a title. The media has pushed Ohtani the entire season. Some of it is due to the fact that he pitches and is a DH. Some is because he's Japanese and plays in LA. They seem to be astonished that a foreign player can come here and be this successful, so they paint him to be an icon. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 5, 2021 11:29:27 GMT -6
You’re not amazed by a starting pitcher who hit 40+ home runs and drove in 100 runners? The main thing I am amazed at this gullibility of so many who want to give t he MVP to a sideshow who hit under .260 on a 4th place team. Yes, it is amazing that he can pitch, hit 40 HR. and drive in 100 runs. But, just exactly how valuable were those numbers to his team? They have none for reasons I previously mentioned. Correa and Tucker are valuable because their numbers actually helped the Astros win a title. The media has pushed Ohtani the entire season. Some of it is due to the fact that he pitches and is a DH. Some is because he's Japanese and plays in LA. They seem to be astonished that a foreign player can come here and be this successful, so they paint him to be an icon. Did you also hate Ichiro? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2021 14:10:28 GMT -6
The main thing I am amazed at this gullibility of so many who want to give t he MVP to a sideshow who hit under .260 on a 4th place team. Yes, it is amazing that he can pitch, hit 40 HR. and drive in 100 runs. But, just exactly how valuable were those numbers to his team? They have none for reasons I previously mentioned. Correa and Tucker are valuable because their numbers actually helped the Astros win a title. The media has pushed Ohtani the entire season. Some of it is due to the fact that he pitches and is a DH. Some is because he's Japanese and plays in LA. They seem to be astonished that a foreign player can come here and be this successful, so they paint him to be an icon. Did you also hate Ichiro? I never hated Ichiro and I don't hate Ohtani. I just don't think he deserves the MVP. Ichiro was an outstanding hitter and proved it on a regular basis. I Ichiro also contributed to the Mariners' success. The Angels have had no success due to Ohtani. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2021 16:17:51 GMT -6
Why is his AVG such a concern when he is a power hitter? His value isn't from hitting singles...
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2021 18:23:57 GMT -6
Did you also hate Ichiro? I never hated Ichiro and I don't hate Ohtani. I just don't think he deserves the MVP. Ichiro was an outstanding hitter and proved it on a regular basis. I Ichiro also contributed to the Mariners' success. The Angels have had no success due to Ohtani. The man had a first baseman leave, his third baseman was on the shelf most of the year as well as his superstar centerfielder. I’d say NOT finishing in last place was a great job. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2021 19:05:25 GMT -6
I never hated Ichiro and I don't hate Ohtani. I just don't think he deserves the MVP. Ichiro was an outstanding hitter and proved it on a regular basis. I Ichiro also contributed to the Mariners' success. The Angels have had no success due to Ohtani. The man had a first baseman leave, his third baseman was on the shelf most of the year as well as his superstar centerfielder. I’d say NOT finishing in last place was a great job. All of that is true, and, they probably would have finished second or third in the division if not for that. The Angels need to figure out that spending all of their money top high-priced FA position players while ignoring the pitching staff will keep them right where they are.......losing. As it is, Ohtani did a great job for them, but, did his presence influence where they finished. I doubt it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2021 19:07:48 GMT -6
Why is his AVG such a concern when he is a power hitter? His value isn't from hitting singles... So, you think a guy who hits under .260 and hits for power is as good or better than one who hits .300 or better and is also a power hitter? Tucker or Correa were more valuable than Ohtani as were Vlad Jr. Rafael Devers, and other power hitters whose teams won. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2021 1:57:01 GMT -6
Why is his AVG such a concern when he is a power hitter? His value isn't from hitting singles... So, you think a guy who hits under .260 and hits for power is as good or better than one who hits .300 or better and is also a power hitter? Tucker or Correa were more valuable than Ohtani as were Vlad Jr. Rafael Devers, and other power hitters whose teams won. I think a guy that hits for power, gets on base welll, and is an all-star caliber pitcher is better than someone who hits .300 with power. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 6, 2021 9:29:24 GMT -6
So, you think a guy who hits under .260 and hits for power is as good or better than one who hits .300 or better and is also a power hitter? Tucker or Correa were more valuable than Ohtani as were Vlad Jr. Rafael Devers, and other power hitters whose teams won. I think a guy that hits for power, gets on base welll, and is an all-star caliber pitcher is better than someone who hits .300 with power. He didn't look like an all star caliber pitcher the last time we saw him. We knocked him out in three innings. My MVP actually is "valuable" because he makes solid contributions to his team's success. Ohtani is valuable to Ohtani. His numbers didn't mean shit to where the Angels finished. You will continue to think Ohtani is the MVP and that is fine. I'll keep saying the MVP is valuable to his team because his team wins. I'll take Correa or Tucker over Sideshow Ohtani any day. If he played for us, he could actually be the MVP because his numbers would be valuable to his team |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2021 11:01:36 GMT -6
I think a guy that hits for power, gets on base welll, and is an all-star caliber pitcher is better than someone who hits .300 with power. He didn't look like an all star caliber pitcher the last time we saw him. We knocked him out in three innings. My MVP actually is "valuable" because he makes solid contributions to his team's success. Ohtani is valuable to Ohtani. His numbers didn't mean shit to where the Angels finished. You will continue to think Ohtani is the MVP and that is fine. I'll keep saying the MVP is valuable to his team because his team wins. I'll take Correa or Tucker over Sideshow Ohtani any day. If he played for us, he could actually be the MVP because his numbers would be valuable to his team One bad game doesn't make or break a season. His overall performance as a pitcher was amongst the best in the league, and, despite being on a significantly losing team as you have pointed out, that team was 13-10 in games he started as a pitcher. Which, by your own statement, means he was valuable to his team. It's nice that you flip-flopped from Vlad to CC or Tucker so quickly when it was pointed out that your own logic eliminates Vlad from contention though. Good on you! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 6, 2021 12:35:16 GMT -6
He didn't look like an all star caliber pitcher the last time we saw him. We knocked him out in three innings. My MVP actually is "valuable" because he makes solid contributions to his team's success. Ohtani is valuable to Ohtani. His numbers didn't mean shit to where the Angels finished. You will continue to think Ohtani is the MVP and that is fine. I'll keep saying the MVP is valuable to his team because his team wins. I'll take Correa or Tucker over Sideshow Ohtani any day. If he played for us, he could actually be the MVP because his numbers would be valuable to his team One bad game doesn't make or break a season. His overall performance as a pitcher was amongst the best in the league, and, despite being on a significantly losing team as you have pointed out, that team was 13-10 in games he started as a pitcher. Which, by your own statement, means he was valuable to his team. It's nice that you flip-flopped from Vlad to CC or Tucker so quickly when it was pointed out that your own logic eliminates Vlad from contention though. Good on you! Good that you always define a change of opinion as "flip-flopping". I wouldn't say I dropped Vlad from consideration since his team actually had a winning record and just missed the wild card by one game. Ohtani's team was out of the running months ago. I did your favorite thing and checked stats of other players and the way their teams finished and decided that Correa, Tucker, Devers, and a couple of others were more deserving than Ohtani. So, Ohtani pitched in games the Angels went 13-10...Did that record help the team finish higher in the standings? NO. The only one I eliminated was the media's darling, Sideshow Ohtani. I see no point in continuing this because neither of us will change their mind. I will never say Ohtani deserves the award and you will keep claiming he does. If you want to give a guy who hit under .260 on a 4th place team the MVP award, Good for you! Now, go ahead and get the last word because we all know you have to have it so you can think you won an argument. LOL LOL |
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Post by Saint on Oct 6, 2021 13:26:50 GMT -6
One bad game doesn't make or break a season. His overall performance as a pitcher was amongst the best in the league, and, despite being on a significantly losing team as you have pointed out, that team was 13-10 in games he started as a pitcher. Which, by your own statement, means he was valuable to his team. It's nice that you flip-flopped from Vlad to CC or Tucker so quickly when it was pointed out that your own logic eliminates Vlad from contention though. Good on you! Good that you always define a change of opinion as "flip-flopping". I wouldn't say I dropped Vlad from consideration since his team actually had a winning record and just missed the wild card by one game. Ohtani's team was out of the running months ago. I did your favorite thing and checked stats of other players and the way their teams finished and decided that Correa, Tucker, Devers, and a couple of others were more deserving than Ohtani. So, Ohtani pitched in games the Angels went 13-10...Did that record help the team finish higher in the standings? NO. The only one I eliminated was the media's darling, Sideshow Ohtani. I see no point in continuing this because neither of us will change their mind. I will never say Ohtani deserves the award and you will keep claiming he does. If you want to give a guy who hit under .260 on a 4th place team the MVP award, Good for you! Now, go ahead and get the last word because we all know you have to have it so you can think you won an argument. LOL LOL See the last time you said I'd get the last word you lied. I know I didn't win the argument, because you can't change stupid. I just look forward to your crying about it when Ohtani ends up winning. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 6, 2021 19:08:59 GMT -6
f***ing hell.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 6, 2021 19:09:34 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 6, 2021 19:12:29 GMT -6
He just curses sometimes, just let it happen... |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 6, 2021 19:18:29 GMT -6
He just curses sometimes, just let it happen... Like tourette syndrome? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 6, 2021 19:25:10 GMT -6
He just curses sometimes, just let it happen... Like tourette syndrome? I thought I had stopped this when I stopped responding to the childish, arrogant prick who has to get in the last word. But, as I expected, the turd came back and called me a liar. If we could change stupid, he might be able to think without referring to a stat sheet. |
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