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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 26, 2021 18:04:32 GMT -6
The way they’re playing isn’t a Dusty problem. It’s just how this group of players operate since Hinch. Everything is nonchalant and no big deal. Then, they play like garbage and we’re not supposed to complain. All they had to do was win one measly game to eliminate the A’s. Now, it’s still a three-team race for the division. They can hit the ball hard and fat. Their pitchers have excellent spin rates. Four game losing streak. Try again. Dusty isn't to blame for the lack of hitting. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Something is wrong somewhere. We see this same song and dance every season. I’m sick of seeing it. Lower the magic number to a certain point, lose, and watch the scoreboard and pray. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 26, 2021 18:05:57 GMT -6
No evidence of any pride at all. I think Dusty is wearing thin on them. He insists on having Siri in the lineup and it is costing him. Meyers is in a slump, but, he is still better and smarter than Siri. Why didn’t he steal on Trivino? Why is a fast guy like him on the team if he doesn’t use it? He would’ve scored easily on the single. I was yelling steal at the TV. LOL We had speed with Straw and didn't use it. We have it with Siri and won't use it. We have other guys like Meyers and Chas who can run. Tucker can steal a base. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 26, 2021 18:06:41 GMT -6
Dusty isn't to blame for the lack of hitting. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Something is wrong somewhere. We see this same song and dance every season. I’m sick of seeing it. Lower the magic number to a certain point, lose, and watch the scoreboard and pray. It is almost as if they decided not to clinch until they got back to Houston. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 26, 2021 18:08:59 GMT -6
We see this same song and dance every season. I’m sick of seeing it. Lower the magic number to a certain point, lose, and watch the scoreboard and pray. It is almost as if they decided not to clinch until they got back to Houston. If that was the plan, they need to re-evaluate themselves. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 26, 2021 18:09:08 GMT -6
Kemp is having a good day against us. Odorizzi just isn’t good. He can’t even get his splitter low in the zone. Come on, man! You heard Todd assure us that Odo is above average. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 26, 2021 18:13:43 GMT -6
Odorizzi just isn’t good. He can’t even get his splitter low in the zone. 1 run in 4 innings so far. He isn't the problem today. LOL, a starting pitcher throwing nearly 70 pitches in 3 innings damn sure IS a problem. |
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Post by koolade2 on Sept 26, 2021 18:23:40 GMT -6
It is almost as if they decided not to clinch until they got back to Houston. If that was the plan, they need to re-evaluate themselves. If they really were playing this bad just to win it at home. I would say that is equal to their supposedly cheating year. Same thing losing on Purpose is just as bad as cheating to win. Who is betting on this team. That is some lousing Baseball I don't care who you are. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 26, 2021 19:59:13 GMT -6
If that was the plan, they need to re-evaluate themselves. If they really were playing this bad just to win it at home. I would say that is equal to their supposedly cheating year. Same thing losing on Purpose is just as bad as cheating to win. Who is betting on this team. That is some lousing Baseball I don't care who you are. Oh, I don't think they planned to lose, but, they never looked inspired to win in any game in this series. After they won the first 3 in Anaheim, they just tanked the rest of the trip. I think they are sick of having an idiot like Dusty running the team and making decisions that hurt their chances to win. They all know that calling for a sac bunt with Maldonado as the next hitter was just stupid. Bringing in Maton to pitch to Olsen was stupid when Taylor was available in the pen. Insisting on keep Siri in the lineup probably rubs some of the players the wrong way, too. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 26, 2021 20:00:05 GMT -6
1 run in 4 innings so far. He isn't the problem today. LOL, a starting pitcher throwing nearly 70 pitches in 3 innings damn sure IS a problem. Any starting pitcher who averages over 20 pitches an inning has no business being in the rotation. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 26, 2021 20:19:34 GMT -6
This has been such a frustrating week for sure. Sometimes I wonder if this is a forum that supports our Stros. Maybe when the playoffs starts, our switch will be flipped.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 26, 2021 20:44:23 GMT -6
LOL, a starting pitcher throwing nearly 70 pitches in 3 innings damn sure IS a problem. Any starting pitcher who averages over 20 pitches an inning has no business being in the rotation. When Odorizzi is on the mound, the fans along the baselines get plenty of souvenirs. The man gets so much contact on his pitches. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 26, 2021 20:44:47 GMT -6
This has been such a frustrating week for sure. Sometimes I wonder if this is a forum that supports our Stros. Maybe when the playoffs starts, our switch will be flipped. If we didn't support them, we wouldn't get so frustrated when they underachieve and play uninspired baseball and act like they have the division already won before actually clinching. There is no excuse for the crap we saw in Oakland. It is hard to look like crap and then just flip a switch and reverse course. If the brilliance of Dusty is required, we are doomed. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 26, 2021 20:45:44 GMT -6
Any starting pitcher who averages over 20 pitches an inning has no business being in the rotation. When Odorizzi is on the mound, the fans along the baselines get plenty of souvenirs. The man gets so much contact on his pitches. And that explains his high pitch counts. He is the type of starter that wears out a bullpen. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 26, 2021 20:48:54 GMT -6
This has been such a frustrating week for sure. Sometimes I wonder if this is a forum that supports our Stros. Maybe when the playoffs starts, our switch will be flipped. I supported Castro, Gurriel, and Bregman today. Yordan got an important hit. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to support everything, though. I don’t think fans had to give Siri a standing ovation for his 9th inning. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 26, 2021 20:50:45 GMT -6
This has been such a frustrating week for sure. Sometimes I wonder if this is a forum that supports our Stros. Maybe when the playoffs starts, our switch will be flipped. If we didn't support them, we wouldn't get so frustrated when they underachieve and play uninspired baseball and act like they have the division already won before actually clinching. There is no excuse for the crap we saw in Oakland. It is hard to look like crap and then just flip a switch and reverse course. If the brilliance of Dusty is required, we are doomed. Right now, the Astros are the hare and the Mariners are the tortoise. They really have no chance to overtake our team, but they are flat-out playing better baseball while the Astros are napping near the finish line. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 26, 2021 22:32:19 GMT -6
This has been such a frustrating week for sure. Sometimes I wonder if this is a forum that supports our Stros. Maybe when the playoffs starts, our switch will be flipped. I supported Castro, Gurriel, and Bregman today. Yordan got an important hit. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to support everything, though. I don’t think fans had to give Siri a standing ovation for his 9th inning. Siri has a lot to learn. He has speed he doesn't know how to use. He nearly ran over Tucker in the OF and caused a collision besides almost costing us an out. There is no way he should be in the lineup over Meyers. If we have a coach that has a clue about coaching baserunning, it isn't evident. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 27, 2021 11:35:02 GMT -6
1 run in 4 innings so far. He isn't the problem today. LOL, a starting pitcher throwing nearly 70 pitches in 3 innings damn sure IS a problem. He thru 82 pitches over 4 innings. If he hadn't just come off the IL he would have gone out for the 5th inning. 5 innings still isn't amazing, but it's not his fault the offense isn't scoring runs and the bullpen didn't hold a lead. I'm not trying to convince people to like Odorizzi, but a #5 starter that throws 100 IP with a 104 ERA+ is not the reason we're not doing as well as people may like. He's getting a large amount of hate for an overall decent season. If there is a complaint against him, it should be his health, in my opinion. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 27, 2021 13:40:26 GMT -6
LOL, a starting pitcher throwing nearly 70 pitches in 3 innings damn sure IS a problem. He thru 82 pitches over 4 innings. If he hadn't just come off the IL he would have gone out for the 5th inning. 5 innings still isn't amazing, but it's not his fault the offense isn't scoring runs and the bullpen didn't hold a lead. I'm not trying to convince people to like Odorizzi, but a #5 starter that throws 100 IP with a 104 ERA+ is not the reason we're not doing as well as people may like. He's getting a large amount of hate for an overall decent season. If there is a complaint against him, it should be his health, in my opinion. He gets the hate because he’s a free agent acquisition (decent money there), his health along with the excuses that it took him longer to be in game shape because of the lack of spring training, he can’t throw six innings, and he’s a whineass. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 27, 2021 14:12:37 GMT -6
He thru 82 pitches over 4 innings. If he hadn't just come off the IL he would have gone out for the 5th inning. 5 innings still isn't amazing, but it's not his fault the offense isn't scoring runs and the bullpen didn't hold a lead. I'm not trying to convince people to like Odorizzi, but a #5 starter that throws 100 IP with a 104 ERA+ is not the reason we're not doing as well as people may like. He's getting a large amount of hate for an overall decent season. If there is a complaint against him, it should be his health, in my opinion. He gets the hate because he’s a free agent acquisition (decent money there), his health along with the excuses that it took him longer to be in game shape because of the lack of spring training, he can’t throw six innings, and he’s a whineass. Some of that is true, but you can't tell me that not having a regular ST hasn't hurt his season some. Let's break his season down a little: A. He was horrible in April after the basically no ST (and having arm problems). Nothing to argue there. He stunk and was hurt. B. But, since coming back in late April however, he has had a 3.62 ERA. That's pretty good. The downside is that yes, he hasn't pitched deep into games. But even that isn't as bad as people make it sound: C. Since coming back at that time, he has had 19 Starts. Of those 19 starts he went at least 5 IP in 13 of those starts. Of those 6 other starts, one he left because of the foot issue (and injuries happen), and then yesterday's game where he was on a limited pitch count. D. And, since getting his sh*t pounded in by the Dodgers back at the beginning of August, he has pitched to an even better 2.72 ERA, including 3 good starts against SEA when we didn't have as big of a lead as we do now. In any case, I believe he is much better suited for a 2-3 inning long relief role, but I also believe his overall performance has been better than people are giving him credit for. The whining and health issues I have no defense for. Some people are just b*tches. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 27, 2021 14:21:15 GMT -6
LOL, a starting pitcher throwing nearly 70 pitches in 3 innings damn sure IS a problem. He thru 82 pitches over 4 innings. If he hadn't just come off the IL he would have gone out for the 5th inning. 5 innings still isn't amazing, but it's not his fault the offense isn't scoring runs and the bullpen didn't hold a lead. I'm not trying to convince people to like Odorizzi, but a #5 starter that throws 100 IP with a 104 ERA+ is not the reason we're not doing as well as people may like. He's getting a large amount of hate for an overall decent season. If there is a complaint against him, it should be his health, in my opinion. I didn't see much difference in this start than most of his others. He averages 20+ pitches an inning and can't last more than five innings. The few times he has been allowed to go past five innings has ended badly for him and usually in a loss. I can't see that it is "hate" to point out his inability to past five innings, and, in most cases, less than five complete innings. Of his total starts, how many are quality starts? He is the guy in the rotation who forces us to go to the pen too early in most of the games he starts. Good starting pitchers don't have to consistently use 80+ pitches to finish four innings. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 27, 2021 14:32:00 GMT -6
He thru 82 pitches over 4 innings. If he hadn't just come off the IL he would have gone out for the 5th inning. 5 innings still isn't amazing, but it's not his fault the offense isn't scoring runs and the bullpen didn't hold a lead. I'm not trying to convince people to like Odorizzi, but a #5 starter that throws 100 IP with a 104 ERA+ is not the reason we're not doing as well as people may like. He's getting a large amount of hate for an overall decent season. If there is a complaint against him, it should be his health, in my opinion. I didn't see much difference in this start than most of his others. He averages 20+ pitches an inning and can't last more than five innings. The few times he has been allowed to go past five innings has ended badly for him and usually in a loss. I can't see that it is "hate" to point out his inability to past five innings, and, in most cases, less than five complete innings. Of his total starts, how many are quality starts? He is the guy in the rotation who forces us to go to the pen too early in most of the games he starts. Good starting pitchers don't have to consistently use 80+ pitches to finish four innings. Everybody seems to forget that he is coming back from barely pitching at all in 2020 or in ST this year. His stamina is not going to be back to normal, nor is his control. As I've mentioned before, I think he is better suited in a long relief role, but we've managed, so far, to get a little better than league average results in 100 innings from him during his return, despite still having some health issues. We've overpaid for his results a little, but it's not like we signed him to some huge contract. At this rate it's only a 3-year $23.5 million deal at worst, and probably only a 2-year $20 million deal at the rate he is going. And are options were limited at the time when we felt we desperately needed him. Nobody knew that Luis Garcia would become an ace or how much Framber and Lance would be able to throw. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 27, 2021 15:01:57 GMT -6
I didn't see much difference in this start than most of his others. He averages 20+ pitches an inning and can't last more than five innings. The few times he has been allowed to go past five innings has ended badly for him and usually in a loss. I can't see that it is "hate" to point out his inability to past five innings, and, in most cases, less than five complete innings. Of his total starts, how many are quality starts? He is the guy in the rotation who forces us to go to the pen too early in most of the games he starts. Good starting pitchers don't have to consistently use 80+ pitches to finish four innings. Everybody seems to forget that he is coming back from barely pitching at all in 2020 or in ST this year. His stamina is not going to be back to normal, nor is his control. As I've mentioned before, I think he is better suited in a long relief role, but we've managed, so far, to get a little better than league average results in 100 innings from him during his return, despite still having some health issues. We've overpaid for his results a little, but it's not like we signed him to some huge contract. At this rate it's only a 3-year $23.5 million deal at worst, and probably only a 2-year $20 million deal at the rate he is going. And are options were limited at the time when we felt we desperately needed him. Nobody knew that Luis Garcia would become an ace or how much Framber and Lance would be able to throw. I understand that he is coming off barely pitching last year and having no ST. If he needs more rehab time, let him do it at Sugar Land instead of burning out our pen by not lasting over 5 innings a game. We overpaid more than a little for the results we have seen. If he is going to be considered for the post season roster, it needs to be as a long reliever. I wish I knew we could trade him in the off season for a couple of solid prospects. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 27, 2021 15:21:05 GMT -6
Everybody seems to forget that he is coming back from barely pitching at all in 2020 or in ST this year. His stamina is not going to be back to normal, nor is his control. As I've mentioned before, I think he is better suited in a long relief role, but we've managed, so far, to get a little better than league average results in 100 innings from him during his return, despite still having some health issues. We've overpaid for his results a little, but it's not like we signed him to some huge contract. At this rate it's only a 3-year $23.5 million deal at worst, and probably only a 2-year $20 million deal at the rate he is going. And are options were limited at the time when we felt we desperately needed him. Nobody knew that Luis Garcia would become an ace or how much Framber and Lance would be able to throw. I understand that he is coming off barely pitching last year and having no ST. If he needs more rehab time, let him do it at Sugar Land instead of burning out our pen by not lasting over 5 innings a game. We overpaid more than a little for the results we have seen. If he is going to be considered for the post season roster, it needs to be as a long reliever. I wish I knew we could trade him in the off season for a couple of solid prospects. I think we're all pretty much in agreement that Lance has been our best pitcher this year. He's having a fine all-star caliber season. He is averaging 5.8 innings per start. So, if we were to hold Odorizzi to that same mark, he should have 127 innings over his 22 starts. He's currently at 100 innings. So, holding him to ace-like standards in IP for our team, he has only "burnt out" our bullpen an extra 27 innings compared to Lance. Again, this is why I think things have been blown a little out of proportion with him. The whining and his health issues are an annoyance for sure, but his performance when on the field really been okay. Especially after he returned in late May. |
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