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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 3, 2021 16:41:57 GMT -6
In 2018, Yuli led the league in GIDPs and was basically an average-hitting 1B at the age of 34. Three years later at 37, he led the league in AVG. I wonder what kind of deal nathangarza will propose to get rid of him in the off season. LOL |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 3, 2021 19:14:38 GMT -6
For the record, I hope Carlos Correa retires an Astro. And keeps his mouth shut to the media.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 3, 2021 19:44:41 GMT -6
For the record, I hope Carlos Correa retires an Astro. And keeps his mouth shut to the media. Is that you Coach? What have you done to Bortaz? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 3, 2021 22:26:02 GMT -6
For the record, I hope Carlos Correa retires an Astro. And keeps his mouth shut to the media. Bortaz and Corch epically agreeing on something.  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 3, 2021 22:29:58 GMT -6
For the record, I hope Carlos Correa retires an Astro. And keeps his mouth shut to the media. Same here. I think we have a legitimate shot at re-signing him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 3, 2021 22:31:08 GMT -6
We agree on several things. I think he realizes what Correa's presence means to this team. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 4, 2021 7:43:56 GMT -6
We agree on several things. I think he realizes what Correa's presence means to this team. Should the Astros exceed 6-7 years, $150 million to re-sign Correa? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 4, 2021 7:49:01 GMT -6
We agree on several things. I think he realizes what Correa's presence means to this team. Should the Astros exceed 6-7 years, $150 million to re-sign Correa? NO. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 4, 2021 8:13:09 GMT -6
Should the Astros exceed 6-7 years, $150 million to re-sign Correa? NO. ...., but what if Carlos leaves? Won’t that be the end of the civilized world as we know it? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 4, 2021 8:26:56 GMT -6
We agree on several things. I think he realizes what Correa's presence means to this team. Should the Astros exceed 6-7 years, $150 million to re-sign Correa? Not the years, but AAV yes.... 3 years/112M w/ a 4th year $40M team option 4 years/144M w/ a 5th year $40M team option. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 9:15:15 GMT -6
We agree on several things. I think he realizes what Correa's presence means to this team. Should the Astros exceed 6-7 years, $150 million to re-sign Correa? Depends on how much they would have to exceed, I don't think we go 10 years....maybe 8. Somebody......I think it was Thomas......suggested offering him less years with more money per year. That might be a place to start. It would be good to know what is more important to Correa....the length of the contract, total amount of money in the contract, or will he demand both. I have never heard an amount mentioned that he is looking for. He needs to keep in mind that Texas has no state income tax. I think Crane is under intense pressure to re-sign him.....both from his teammates and the public. He anchors that defense and has emerged as the team leader. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 9:17:29 GMT -6
Should the Astros exceed 6-7 years, $150 million to re-sign Correa? Not the years, but AAV yes.... 3 years/112M w/ a 4th year $40M team option 4 years/144M w/ a 5th year $40M team option. That is worth throwing at him. If he is more concerned with money per year instead of the length of the contract, he may take it. He knows how valuable he is to this team and so do is teammates. Crane knows it, too. Crane may handle these negotiations on his own without Click having a lot to do with it. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2021 9:37:03 GMT -6
I'd be willing to go 7-years $210 million on Correa; knowing full well that he won't always be worth that money.
But, even if we take out his best run (offensively) from 2015-2017, what he has done since then, when healthy, is still pretty amazing even if it has been inconsistent:
2018-2021: .266/.347/.465 .811 OPS 118 OPS+
Even if he only maintained those rates, with the defense he has shown, that's fantastic overall. A GG-caliber SS with an .800+ OPS is worth a ton of money. We may not want to pay it, but that's what somebody like that is going to be worth at his age. And when you factor in his mostly impressive postseason career as well, well... He's worth a 7-year deal.
That being said, I don't think we should go more than 7 years for ANYBODY EVER, unless they're team option years. And maybe that's the way to go with him. Add on some extra options years with high AAV based partially on performance incentives.
If he isn't willing to take that, get that QO going and move on.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 9:42:39 GMT -6
...., but what if Carlos leaves? Won’t that be the end of the civilized world as we know it? No,but it may very well be the end of the Astros competing for WS. If he leaves, who do we replace him with that won't weaken our defense and lineup? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 4, 2021 9:49:01 GMT -6
Not the years, but AAV yes.... 3 years/112M w/ a 4th year $40M team option 4 years/144M w/ a 5th year $40M team option. That is worth throwing at him. If he is more concerned with money per year instead of the length of the contract, he may take it. He knows how valuable he is to this team and so do is teammates. Crane knows it, too. Crane may handle these negotiations on his own without Click having a lot to do with it. Astros pitch to him should be, we have Altuve and Bregman signed for 3 more years. We see that as a 3 year run, where have a solid chance to keep what we have going. We will pay you considerably more per year for 3 years, than you would get on a 7+ year deal. You're entering your prime years, where your production should be better. Therefore, you will be in better position to sign a more lucrative deal after 3 more seasons. Plus, teams maybe paying a higher AAV then as well. Pitch 3 years/112 M When you are 30, after you really start producing, you could be worth on the open market..5 years/$210 M or 6 years/240 M Therefore, if you're betting on yourself, being better than you are now, you could be looking after 8 years or 9 years, a possible 8 years/322M or 9 years/352M And that is better than a 2022 good market value of 8 year/260M deal. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 9:49:34 GMT -6
I'd be willing to go 7-years $210 million on Correa; knowing full well that he won't always be worth that money. But, even if we take out his best run (offensively) from 2015-2017, what he has done since then, when healthy, is still pretty amazing even if it has been inconsistent: 2018-2021: .266/.347/.465 .811 OPS 118 OPS+ Even if he only maintained those rates, with the defense he has shown, that's fantastic overall. A GG-caliber SS with an .800+ OPS is worth a ton of money. We may not want to pay it, but that's what somebody like that is going to be worth at his age. And when you factor in his mostly impressive postseason career as well, well... He's worth a 7-year deal. That being said, I don't think we should go more than 7 years for ANYBODY EVER, unless they're team option years. And maybe that's the way to go with him. Add on some extra options years with high AAV based partially on performance incentives. If he isn't willing to take that, get that QO going and move on. If Altuve and Bregman are worth what we are paying them, Correa would be worth $30 million a year and maybe a little more. Bregman isn't worth close to what he is being paid. I'm sure we will go into the ALDS with him batting third. Over the last month, he's 21-90, over the last two weeks 4-42. and in the last week, he's 1-20. He belongs in the lineup, but, no higher than 6th. When putting a dollar value to Correa, you can't just rely on those numbers. His defensive presence plays a large part in determining his worth. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 9:52:33 GMT -6
That is worth throwing at him. If he is more concerned with money per year instead of the length of the contract, he may take it. He knows how valuable he is to this team and so do is teammates. Crane knows it, too. Crane may handle these negotiations on his own without Click having a lot to do with it. Astros pitch to him should be, we have Altuve and Bregman signed for 3 more years. We see that as a 3 year run, where have a solid chance to keep what we have going. We will pay you considerably more per year for 3 years, than you would get on a 7+ year deal. You're entering your prime years, where your production should be better. Therefore, you will be in better position to sign a more lucrative deal after 3 more seasons. Plus, teams maybe paying a higher AAV then as well. Pitch 3 years/112 M When you are 30, after you really start producing, you could be worth on the open market..5 years/$210 M or 6 years/240 M Therefore, if you're betting on yourself, being better than you are now, you could be looking after 8 years or 9 years, a possible 8 years/322M or 9 years/352M And that is better than a 2022 good market value of 8 year/260M deal. That sounds like a good approach to take with him. He has said more than once that he wants to play with Altuve for his entire career. He is saying he wants to stay. He will get the chance to show if that is just talk or if he really wants to be here. The worst thing Crane can do is start off with a bid he knows Correa won't accept. A QO in the beginning would guarantee that we won't re-sign him. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2021 11:45:21 GMT -6
I'd be willing to go 7-years $210 million on Correa; knowing full well that he won't always be worth that money. But, even if we take out his best run (offensively) from 2015-2017, what he has done since then, when healthy, is still pretty amazing even if it has been inconsistent: 2018-2021: .266/.347/.465 .811 OPS 118 OPS+ Even if he only maintained those rates, with the defense he has shown, that's fantastic overall. A GG-caliber SS with an .800+ OPS is worth a ton of money. We may not want to pay it, but that's what somebody like that is going to be worth at his age. And when you factor in his mostly impressive postseason career as well, well... He's worth a 7-year deal. That being said, I don't think we should go more than 7 years for ANYBODY EVER, unless they're team option years. And maybe that's the way to go with him. Add on some extra options years with high AAV based partially on performance incentives. If he isn't willing to take that, get that QO going and move on. If Altuve and Bregman are worth what we are paying them, Correa would be worth $30 million a year and maybe a little more. Bregman isn't worth close to what he is being paid. I'm sure we will go into the ALDS with him batting third. Over the last month, he's 21-90, over the last two weeks 4-42. and in the last week, he's 1-20. He belongs in the lineup, but, no higher than 6th. When putting a dollar value to Correa, you can't just rely on those numbers. His defensive presence plays a large part in determining his worth. I don't know why you keep jumping back to contract EXTENSIONS that were signed before they were FAs after they had elite seasons. It is a different year with different teams needing different things, and what a player might get as a FA can be a lot different than what they can get as an extension. If we went based off of past contracts, every slow moving defensive liability in the OF that hits 100 RBI would be making a $100 million like Carlos Lee. P.S. I literally mentioned his defensive value. Read the posts first before you start replying. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 12:17:35 GMT -6
If Altuve and Bregman are worth what we are paying them, Correa would be worth $30 million a year and maybe a little more. Bregman isn't worth close to what he is being paid. I'm sure we will go into the ALDS with him batting third. Over the last month, he's 21-90, over the last two weeks 4-42. and in the last week, he's 1-20. He belongs in the lineup, but, no higher than 6th. When putting a dollar value to Correa, you can't just rely on those numbers. His defensive presence plays a large part in determining his worth. I don't know why you keep jumping back to contract EXTENSIONS that were signed before they were FAs after they had elite seasons. It is a different year with different teams needing different things, and what a player might get as a FA can be a lot different than what they can get as an extension. If we went based off of past contracts, every slow moving defensive liability in the OF that hits 100 RBI would be making a $100 million like Carlos Lee. P.S. I literally mentioned his defensive value. Read the posts first before you start replying. You could try not sounding like an arrogant prick for once. I read your damn post. I know when Bregman and Altuve signed EXTENSIONS when they were not free agents. That doesn't have a thing to do with what Correa is worth when compared to those two. You recognized Correa's defense, and, that is a primary factor in determining his worth. All I'm trying to say is that Carlos Correa's value to this team has to be weighed by more than examining stats. Every player's total value can't be determined by what is on a stat sheet. You look at the defensive value, and, intangibles such as leadership, what he brings to a clubhouse. We have seen on-field examples of his leadership and you don't see that on a stat sheet. Correa's overall value to this team is more...at the present.....than any player on the roster. He is they guy who would be more difficult to replace. All of that should go into determining what we can afford to pay him. We have money coming off the books so the money is there to work out a deal that both sides should agree to. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2021 14:17:20 GMT -6
I don't know why you keep jumping back to contract EXTENSIONS that were signed before they were FAs after they had elite seasons. It is a different year with different teams needing different things, and what a player might get as a FA can be a lot different than what they can get as an extension. If we went based off of past contracts, every slow moving defensive liability in the OF that hits 100 RBI would be making a $100 million like Carlos Lee. P.S. I literally mentioned his defensive value. Read the posts first before you start replying. You could try not sounding like an arrogant prick for once. I read your damn post. I know when Bregman and Altuve signed EXTENSIONS when they were not free agents. That doesn't have a thing to do with what Correa is worth when compared to those two. You recognized Correa's defense, and, that is a primary factor in determining his worth. All I'm trying to say is that Carlos Correa's value to this team has to be weighed by more than examining stats. Every player's total value can't be determined by what is on a stat sheet. You look at the defensive value, and, intangibles such as leadership, what he brings to a clubhouse. We have seen on-field examples of his leadership and you don't see that on a stat sheet. Correa's overall value to this team is more...at the present.....than any player on the roster. He is they guy who would be more difficult to replace. All of that should go into determining what we can afford to pay him. We have money coming off the books so the money is there to work out a deal that both sides should agree to. I'm not trying to sound arrogant. I'm trying to sound flabbergasted by your trains of thought on various discussions, and your ability to repeat the same things over and over again during a discussion, even if they don't matter for the discussion at hand. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 14:33:05 GMT -6
You could try not sounding like an arrogant prick for once. I read your damn post. I know when Bregman and Altuve signed EXTENSIONS when they were not free agents. That doesn't have a thing to do with what Correa is worth when compared to those two. You recognized Correa's defense, and, that is a primary factor in determining his worth. All I'm trying to say is that Carlos Correa's value to this team has to be weighed by more than examining stats. Every player's total value can't be determined by what is on a stat sheet. You look at the defensive value, and, intangibles such as leadership, what he brings to a clubhouse. We have seen on-field examples of his leadership and you don't see that on a stat sheet. Correa's overall value to this team is more...at the present.....than any player on the roster. He is they guy who would be more difficult to replace. All of that should go into determining what we can afford to pay him. We have money coming off the books so the money is there to work out a deal that both sides should agree to. I'm not trying to sound arrogant. I'm trying to sound flabbergasted by your trains of thought on various discussions, and your ability to repeat the same things over and over again during a discussion, even if they don't matter for the discussion at hand. You concentrate on your posts and I'll do the same with mine. My "train of thought" was the subject of Correa's value to this team. You seem to think we should start negotiations with him by making a QO, which is a guarantee that we lose him because that would be an insult based on his overall value. I am as opposed to 8-10 year deals as anyone, but, I also know you have to consider the player and his value to the team before drawing a line you don't cross when negotiating. Many have mentioned Correa's history with injury but fail to point out in 2020 and 2021 he played more games than anyone on the team. His overall numbers were considerably better last year in the regular season and post season than others. This season, he has proven to be the team leader he started becoming last season. Your idea of what matters in a discussion may not be all that needs to be examined. If you don't like how often I make a point, feel free to ignore it just like I try to ignore it when you base everything on a stat sheet. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2021 15:04:53 GMT -6
I'm not trying to sound arrogant. I'm trying to sound flabbergasted by your trains of thought on various discussions, and your ability to repeat the same things over and over again during a discussion, even if they don't matter for the discussion at hand. You concentrate on your posts and I'll do the same with mine. My "train of thought" was the subject of Correa's value to this team. You seem to think we should start negotiations with him by making a QO, which is a guarantee that we lose him because that would be an insult based on his overall value. I am as opposed to 8-10 year deals as anyone, but, I also know you have to consider the player and his value to the team before drawing a line you don't cross when negotiating. Many have mentioned Correa's history with injury but fail to point out in 2020 and 2021 he played more games than anyone on the team. His overall numbers were considerably better last year in the regular season and post season than others. This season, he has proven to be the team leader he started becoming last season. Your idea of what matters in a discussion may not be all that needs to be examined. If you don't like how often I make a point, feel free to ignore it just like I try to ignore it when you base everything on a stat sheet. The whole reason this discussion with you is ridiculous is because you wanted him gone as recently as a year and a half ago. If he gets hurt next year or struggles, you'll be the first to blame Click and demand Correa be benched. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 16:33:57 GMT -6
You concentrate on your posts and I'll do the same with mine. My "train of thought" was the subject of Correa's value to this team. You seem to think we should start negotiations with him by making a QO, which is a guarantee that we lose him because that would be an insult based on his overall value. I am as opposed to 8-10 year deals as anyone, but, I also know you have to consider the player and his value to the team before drawing a line you don't cross when negotiating. Many have mentioned Correa's history with injury but fail to point out in 2020 and 2021 he played more games than anyone on the team. His overall numbers were considerably better last year in the regular season and post season than others. This season, he has proven to be the team leader he started becoming last season. Your idea of what matters in a discussion may not be all that needs to be examined. If you don't like how often I make a point, feel free to ignore it just like I try to ignore it when you base everything on a stat sheet. The whole reason this discussion with you is ridiculous is because you wanted him gone as recently as a year and a half ago. If he gets hurt next year or struggles, you'll be the first to blame Click and demand Correa be benched. So, you are another guy who thinks seeing evidence to make you change your mind is being hypocritical? I am sure you never changed your opinion of any of the players. LOL I'm still waiting for Click to prove he's a good GM. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 4, 2021 17:19:24 GMT -6
The whole reason this discussion with you is ridiculous is because you wanted him gone as recently as a year and a half ago. If he gets hurt next year or struggles, you'll be the first to blame Click and demand Correa be benched. So, you are another guy who thinks seeing evidence to make you change your mind is being hypocritical? I am sure you never changed your opinion of any of the players. LOL I'm still waiting for Click to prove he's a good GM. Don’t be flip flopping, Tony Fauci. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 19:03:13 GMT -6
So, you are another guy who thinks seeing evidence to make you change your mind is being hypocritical? I am sure you never changed your opinion of any of the players. LOL I'm still waiting for Click to prove he's a good GM. Don’t be flip flopping, Tony Fauci. Who is flip-flopping, Beto?  |
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Post by Saint on Oct 4, 2021 20:34:03 GMT -6
The whole reason this discussion with you is ridiculous is because you wanted him gone as recently as a year and a half ago. If he gets hurt next year or struggles, you'll be the first to blame Click and demand Correa be benched. So, you are another guy who thinks seeing evidence to make you change your mind is being hypocritical? I am sure you never changed your opinion of any of the players. LOL I'm still waiting for Click to prove he's a good GM. I'm pretty sure at the time multiple people told you why Correa was still valuable and you dismissed it because of your bias. Besides, it wasn't even about "evidence" regarding just his performance or health. You also complained because you didn't think he was honest about his injuries and then about his fiance too. You pick a random guy to support or berate for whatever unknown reasons, and then it doesn't matter how many people beat you in the face with actual facts. You'll ride that horse until it takes you off a cliff. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 4, 2021 22:26:39 GMT -6
So, you are another guy who thinks seeing evidence to make you change your mind is being hypocritical? I am sure you never changed your opinion of any of the players. LOL I'm still waiting for Click to prove he's a good GM. I'm pretty sure at the time multiple people told you why Correa was still valuable and you dismissed it because of your bias. Besides, it wasn't even about "evidence" regarding just his performance or health. You also complained because you didn't think he was honest about his injuries and then about his fiance too. You pick a random guy to support or berate for whatever unknown reasons, and then it doesn't matter how many people beat you in the face with actual facts. You'll ride that horse until it takes you off a cliff. From this, I gather that you think Carlos and Daniella were honest about how he fractured a rib. LOL No licensed masseuse fractures ribs. Interesting that you always managed to find "facts" or stats designed to make yourself look right while ignoring anything that would make it appear you are wrong. And, just which "bias" are you dreaming up this time? I don't "pick" anyone to support or berate.......I point out both positive and negatives about many players. You get pissed when anyone insinuates or flat out says that Altuve is not the best player on this team. You keep complaining about Correa's history of injury when claiming he doesn't deserve a contract close to what he wants. You ignore that he has played more games than any player on the team. He hasn't been bothered by injuries any more than some others. I'll keep looking at the whole picture when evaluating a player and not just what you "beat me in the face" with that you dig up on a stat sheet. You cannot go solely by a stat sheet.........period. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 5, 2021 7:53:23 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure at the time multiple people told you why Correa was still valuable and you dismissed it because of your bias. Besides, it wasn't even about "evidence" regarding just his performance or health. You also complained because you didn't think he was honest about his injuries and then about his fiance too. You pick a random guy to support or berate for whatever unknown reasons, and then it doesn't matter how many people beat you in the face with actual facts. You'll ride that horse until it takes you off a cliff. From this, I gather that you think Carlos and Daniella were honest about how he fractured a rib. LOL No licensed masseuse fractures ribs. Interesting that you always managed to find "facts" or stats designed to make yourself look right while ignoring anything that would make it appear you are wrong. And, just which "bias" are you dreaming up this time? I don't "pick" anyone to support or berate.......I point out both positive and negatives about many players. You get pissed when anyone insinuates or flat out says that Altuve is not the best player on this team. You keep complaining about Correa's history of injury when claiming he doesn't deserve a contract close to what he wants. You ignore that he has played more games than any player on the team. He hasn't been bothered by injuries any more than some others. I'll keep looking at the whole picture when evaluating a player and not just what you "beat me in the face" with that you dig up on a stat sheet. You cannot go solely by a stat sheet.........period. Where do you get this nonsense that he’s a fervent defender of Altuve? He criticizes him all the time. He just doesn’t think it’s his fault when a pitcher uses his own arm to throw a bad pitch that’s hit out of the park for a home run. If pitchers think it’s in bad form to berate their fielders for bad plays, then why do you think it’s acceptable to place blame on them for the result of bad pitching? The job of the pitcher is to pick the fielders up. A fielder can help out with tags and FC’s, but no one can stop a run from scoring when the ball is over the fence. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 5, 2021 9:12:44 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure at the time multiple people told you why Correa was still valuable and you dismissed it because of your bias. Besides, it wasn't even about "evidence" regarding just his performance or health. You also complained because you didn't think he was honest about his injuries and then about his fiance too. You pick a random guy to support or berate for whatever unknown reasons, and then it doesn't matter how many people beat you in the face with actual facts. You'll ride that horse until it takes you off a cliff. From this, I gather that you think Carlos and Daniella were honest about how he fractured a rib. LOL No licensed masseuse fractures ribs. Interesting that you always managed to find "facts" or stats designed to make yourself look right while ignoring anything that would make it appear you are wrong. And, just which "bias" are you dreaming up this time? I don't "pick" anyone to support or berate.......I point out both positive and negatives about many players. You get pissed when anyone insinuates or flat out says that Altuve is not the best player on this team. You keep complaining about Correa's history of injury when claiming he doesn't deserve a contract close to what he wants. You ignore that he has played more games than any player on the team. He hasn't been bothered by injuries any more than some others. I'll keep looking at the whole picture when evaluating a player and not just what you "beat me in the face" with that you dig up on a stat sheet. You cannot go solely by a stat sheet.........period. A. I don't care if they're honest about how he fractured a rib. It doesn't matter. An injury is an injury. Sh*t happens. B. Altuve isn't the best player on this team. He hasn't been since the first half of 2018. I've never argued that. He HAS had the best career so far though, and, when he's completely right, I think he carries the team the most. We saw it in the postseason last year. If he is hitting the way he can, the team succeeds. C. Yes, Correa has had a healthy year this. Finally. Nobody is arguing or ignoring that. I'm just not going to totally base a contract on one healthy contract year. D. You say "stat sheet" when really you should say "facts". |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 5, 2021 9:50:47 GMT -6
From this, I gather that you think Carlos and Daniella were honest about how he fractured a rib. LOL No licensed masseuse fractures ribs. Interesting that you always managed to find "facts" or stats designed to make yourself look right while ignoring anything that would make it appear you are wrong. And, just which "bias" are you dreaming up this time? I don't "pick" anyone to support or berate.......I point out both positive and negatives about many players. You get pissed when anyone insinuates or flat out says that Altuve is not the best player on this team. You keep complaining about Correa's history of injury when claiming he doesn't deserve a contract close to what he wants. You ignore that he has played more games than any player on the team. He hasn't been bothered by injuries any more than some others. I'll keep looking at the whole picture when evaluating a player and not just what you "beat me in the face" with that you dig up on a stat sheet. You cannot go solely by a stat sheet.........period. Where do you get this nonsense that he’s a fervent defender of Altuve? He criticizes him all the time. He just doesn’t think it’s his fault when a pitcher uses his own arm to throw a bad pitch that’s hit out of the park for a home run. If pitchers think it’s in bad form to berate their fielders for bad plays, then why do you think it’s acceptable to place blame on them for the result of bad pitching? The job of the pitcher is to pick the fielders up. A fielder can help out with tags and FC’s, but no one can stop a run from scoring when the ball is over the fence. Nobody claimed it was Altuve's fault because the pitcher gave up a home run that scored three runs. What WAS his fault was the throwing error that kept the inning alive for the hitter would have the chance to hit the home run. The home run was ONE runs.....Altuve's throw cost us TWO. The FACT is that only ONE run would have scored if not for the error. A good throw meant the third out to end the inning. The batter who hit the homer would have lead off the next inning so if he hit the home run it scored one run. As a result of the error, the home run produced three. McCullers allowed the home run.....that is his fault. Altuve made the throwing error......that was his fault even though some blamed Yuli for not scooping the throw. McCullers cost us one run while Altuve was responsible for two. You can spin it any way you choose, but, two of the three runs were the fault of Altuve. "Bad pitching" created one run......Bad throwing produced the other two. |
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