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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 9, 2021 14:49:43 GMT -6
Start negotiating at 7 years, like that is the floor? Jeez...Talk about a contract a team would hate and be anchored with down the road....Just b/c the Mets and Angels are downright stupid with their big money, long term contracts, doesn't mean the Astros need to be....If it takes at least 7 years to keep him, let him go elsewhere... Tell us WHO we have to replace him that can do what he does for this team, and, I'll gladly agree with you. It will take at least 7 unless we go over $30 million a year. Crane should ask for the last bid. Then, he can decide if he wants to match or beat the other offer. I'm sure Correa knows he pays no state income tax in Texas, and, that is worth a good deal of money. We don't need to tell Carlos that. He may sign with the Arlington Rangers.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2021 15:01:37 GMT -6
Tell us WHO we have to replace him that can do what he does for this team, and, I'll gladly agree with you. It will take at least 7 unless we go over $30 million a year. Crane should ask for the last bid. Then, he can decide if he wants to match or beat the other offer. I'm sure Correa knows he pays no state income tax in Texas, and, that is worth a good deal of money. We don't need to tell Carlos that. He may sign with the Arlington Rangers. If he signed with them, it would prove he didn't care about winning. I don't think he's made that way. I think he owes Crane the courtesy of giving him the last shot to sign him. I would think that Altuve and some others will be in Crane's ear to get him to keep Carlos.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 9, 2021 19:21:37 GMT -6
I think we all need to realize that if we sign him for a long contract, we will only get value from him for half or fewer of the years we sign him for. Some people are ok with getting 3 or 4 great years and then overpaying for 3 or 4 years of decline.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 9, 2021 19:42:17 GMT -6
I think we all need to realize that if we sign him for a long contract, we will only get value from him for half or fewer of the years we sign him for. Some people are ok with getting 3 or 4 great years and then overpaying for 3 or 4 years of decline. I’m cool with whatever if they have enough left over for Tucker.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 9, 2021 19:46:45 GMT -6
I think we all need to realize that if we sign him for a long contract, we will only get value from him for half or fewer of the years we sign him for. Some people are ok with getting 3 or 4 great years and then overpaying for 3 or 4 years of decline. I’m cool with whatever if they have enough left over for Tucker. You say that now, but you'll be cussing them out when the contract for a broken-down correa keeps them out of the market for whomever is the flavor of the day 6 years from now.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2021 19:55:34 GMT -6
I think we all need to realize that if we sign him for a long contract, we will only get value from him for half or fewer of the years we sign him for. Some people are ok with getting 3 or 4 great years and then overpaying for 3 or 4 years of decline. I’m cool with whatever if they have enough left over for Tucker. Agreed. They need to start trying to extend Tucker this off season. Some people forget we are getting between $65-70 million off the books with Verlander's and Greinke's contracts. We can sign Correa, extend Tucker, and sign a FA starting pitcher. Looking 5-6 years down the road is fine, but, don't throw away your chance to win now in the process.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 9, 2021 20:34:28 GMT -6
I think we all need to realize that if we sign him for a long contract, we will only get value from him for half or fewer of the years we sign him for. Some people are ok with getting 3 or 4 great years and then overpaying for 3 or 4 years of decline. I don't like going over 5 years. I do not dislike Carlos, just want what's best for the franchise. The long mega contracts do not work. See Pujols, Stanton etc.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 9, 2021 20:48:23 GMT -6
Tell us WHO we have to replace him that can do what he does for this team, and, I'll gladly agree with you. It will take at least 7 unless we go over $30 million a year. Crane should ask for the last bid. Then, he can decide if he wants to match or beat the other offer. I'm sure Correa knows he pays no state income tax in Texas, and, that is worth a good deal of money. We don't need to tell Carlos that. He may sign with the Arlington Rangers. Rangers are not as bad the Angels or Mets, but they're pretty careless in their spending.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 9, 2021 20:52:35 GMT -6
We don't need to tell Carlos that. He may sign with the Arlington Rangers. Rangers are not as bad the Angels or Mets, but they're pretty careless in their spending. Neither of those teams have the money to sign CC. I think the list is Detroit, Houston, Texas and Miami.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 9, 2021 20:54:17 GMT -6
Rangers are not as bad the Angels or Mets, but they're pretty careless in their spending. Neither of those teams have the money to sign CC. I think the list is Detroit, Houston, Texas and Miami. He could go to the Yankees, Tigers or stay with the Astros.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 9, 2021 20:57:39 GMT -6
I’m cool with whatever if they have enough left over for Tucker. You say that now, but you'll be cussing them out when the contract for a broken-down correa keeps them out of the market for whomever is the flavor of the day 6 years from now. I’ll curse out whomever sits out for an extended amount of time and then wants to throw a first pitch.
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Post by dafish on Oct 9, 2021 21:17:51 GMT -6
Removed a couple of years and watching the past couple. My time warp perspective?
1. WTF happened to our pitching staff? Are these strangers enough to take us deep into the post season. 2. Kyle Tucker- Happy to see he is panning out to be the star we all thought he might be. 3. I still hate f'n Dustbag Baker with a passion. Always have...always will. He is a destroyer of pitching arms, and has had a penchant making all the wrong decisions. There is a reason this mf'er has lasted this long without a WS ring. He f'n sucks. 4. From OP's thread it seems our bench strenghth is all but depleted. I know they lost a few draft picks, but who is the culprit of this diaster. I really hated losing 100-110 a year. Seems we are on a crash course for a return. 5. Seems there were a lot of empty seats at the last game. Is this a lingering effect of scandal? 6. The side article that I have happened across still are scorching the team over the scandal. Besides time, and purging the culprits, just what do you think will heal this stigma?
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2021 22:01:31 GMT -6
I think we all need to realize that if we sign him for a long contract, we will only get value from him for half or fewer of the years we sign him for. Some people are ok with getting 3 or 4 great years and then overpaying for 3 or 4 years of decline. I don't like going over 5 years. I do not dislike Carlos, just want what's best for the franchise. The long mega contracts do not work. See Pujols, Stanton etc. I don't like long contracts, either. But, sometimes you have to go against the grain to keep your team at the competitive level you want. Keeping him helps keep us among the elite teams, and, sells tickets and merchandise. He could end up making them the money they pay him.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2021 22:06:13 GMT -6
Removed a couple of years and watching the past couple. My time warp perspective? 1. WTF happened to our pitching staff? Are these strangers enough to take us deep into the post season. 2. Kyle Tucker- Happy to see he is panning out to be the star we all thought he might be. 3. I still hate f'n Dustbag Baker with a passion. Always have...always will. He is a destroyer of pitching arms, and has had a penchant making all the wrong decisions. There is a reason this mf'er has lasted this long without a WS ring. He f'n sucks. 4. From OP's thread it seems our bench strenghth is all but depleted. I know they lost a few draft picks, but who is the culprit of this diaster. I really hated losing 100-110 a year. Seems we are on a crash course for a return. 5. Seems there were a lot of empty seats at the last game. Is this a lingering effect of scandal? 6. The side article that I have happened across still are scorching the team over the scandal. Besides time, and purging the culprits, just what do you think will heal this stigma? #3 is why I didn't want the idiot and have cussed his ass ever since he's been here. He has never won a WS because he misuses pitchers. Crane hired the fool as a PR move after the scandal to appease the Commissioner's office. In response to #6, winning a WS would help with Houston fans who still resent it. Who gives a shit what Yankee and Dodger fans think.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2021 22:07:41 GMT -6
You say that now, but you'll be cussing them out when the contract for a broken-down correa keeps them out of the market for whomever is the flavor of the day 6 years from now. I’ll curse out whomever sits out for an extended amount of time and then wants to throw a first pitch. I don't give a rat's ass who throws out the first pitch as long as it isn't Mayor Turner or Sheila Jackson Lee.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 9, 2021 22:17:11 GMT -6
You say that now, but you'll be cussing them out when the contract for a broken-down correa keeps them out of the market for whomever is the flavor of the day 6 years from now. I’ll curse out whomever sits out for an extended amount of time and then wants to throw a first pitch. So an unverified tweet already has you hating JV.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 9, 2021 22:25:17 GMT -6
I’ll curse out whomever sits out for an extended amount of time and then wants to throw a first pitch. So an unverified tweet already has you hating JV. If it is true.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2021 22:50:10 GMT -6
Rangers are not as bad the Angels or Mets, but they're pretty careless in their spending. Neither of those teams have the money to sign CC. I think the list is Detroit, Houston, Texas and Miami. Our competition is the Tigers. Hinch will be pushing hard for them to sign him. What it may come down to is Crane vs. Hinch.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 9, 2021 23:46:43 GMT -6
So an unverified tweet already has you hating JV. If it is true. Is it your assertion that most players who are on the long-term IL don't stay at home during their stint, but rather hang around the park?
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Post by m240 on Oct 10, 2021 6:51:19 GMT -6
Neither of those teams have the money to sign CC. I think the list is Detroit, Houston, Texas and Miami. Our competition is the Tigers. Hinch will be pushing hard for them to sign him. What it may come down to is Crane vs. Hinch. I would hope the owner of the Tigers remembers what got their ass in their current crack was real long, real high contracts.
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Post by dafish on Oct 10, 2021 7:06:13 GMT -6
Is it your assertion that most players who are on the long-term IL don't stay at home during their stint, but rather hang around the park? With his wife? I'd wager he is staying home and playing house.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 10, 2021 7:17:53 GMT -6
Neither of those teams have the money to sign CC. I think the list is Detroit, Houston, Texas and Miami. Our competition is the Tigers. Hinch will be pushing hard for them to sign him. What it may come down to is Crane vs. Hinch. that's pure speculation on your part and you're entitled to your own opinion. As for me, my opinion is: Hinch knows his role in the organization. Will he be totally on board with it if Al Avila signs Correa? Absolutely. Will Hinch tell Avila he believes shortstop is a key position for a FA upgrade for at least then next few years? Absolutely. But there is a glut of good shortstops hitting the FA market this winter. In my opinion, Avila will will kick all the tires and look for what he believes is the best balance in terms of performance, salary demands, years of commitment, and possibly leaving the door open for eventually filling the SS role with a talented and affordable player.
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Post by dafish on Oct 10, 2021 7:21:44 GMT -6
I'll have to agree with you. Hinch seemed to know his role on a team, and his influence seemed pretty low on personnel moves. Outside a "hey it would be great to have Correa", I don't think AJ is paid to make decisons that may cost $20-$30M per year.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 10, 2021 7:25:14 GMT -6
Our competition is the Tigers. Hinch will be pushing hard for them to sign him. What it may come down to is Crane vs. Hinch. I would hope the owner of the Tigers remembers what got their ass in their current crack was real long, real high contracts. The current owner of the Tigers (Christopher Ilitch) witnessed his dad opening his wallet big time, Dave Dombrowski spending like a drunken sailor and also gutting the farm system for short-term fixes. He's also watched as Al Avila patiently built and made savvy choices on affordable players as well as displaying a keen eye for talent other teams overlooked. (Does the name J.D. Martinez ring a bell?) I'm sure he trusts Avila to make good choices going forward.
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Post by m240 on Oct 10, 2021 9:46:32 GMT -6
I would hope the owner of the Tigers remembers what got their ass in their current crack was real long, real high contracts. The current owner of the Tigers (Christopher Ilitch) witnessed his dad opening his wallet big time, Dave Dombrowski spending like a drunken sailor and also gutting the farm system for short-term fixes. He's also watched as Al Avila patiently built and made savvy choices on affordable players as well as displaying a keen eye for talent other teams overlooked. (Does the name J.D. Martinez ring a bell?) I'm sure he trusts Avila to make good choices going forward. When GMs are given free rein and become concerned witH job security they do stupid shit. Hopefully he has a trust but verify philosophy,
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 10, 2021 11:46:03 GMT -6
The current owner of the Tigers (Christopher Ilitch) witnessed his dad opening his wallet big time, Dave Dombrowski spending like a drunken sailor and also gutting the farm system for short-term fixes. He's also watched as Al Avila patiently built and made savvy choices on affordable players as well as displaying a keen eye for talent other teams overlooked. (Does the name J.D. Martinez ring a bell?) I'm sure he trusts Avila to make good choices going forward. When GMs are given free rein and become concerned witH job security they do stupid shit. Hopefully he has a trust but verify philosophy, I can't say for certain, but I would certainly hope not. Trust but verify was a cold-war concept that was based on mistrust. Not at all the sort of relationship one would want between an owner and their GM. From what I've read, Avila already has job security for as long as he wants due to their shared philosophy of long-term goals including a huge focus on player development and the importance of sabermetrics and analytics.
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Post by m240 on Oct 10, 2021 13:06:54 GMT -6
When GMs are given free rein and become concerned witH job security they do stupid shit. Hopefully he has a trust but verify philosophy, I can't say for certain, but I would certainly hope not. Trust but verify was a cold-war concept that was based on mistrust. Not at all the sort of relationship one would want between an owner and their GM. From what I've read, Avila already has job security for as long as he wants due to their shared philosophy of long-term goals including a huge focus on player development and the importance of sabermetrics and analytics. Trust but verify is used in every business or political organization that wants to stay in business/power.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 10, 2021 14:41:35 GMT -6
Trust but verify is used in every business or political organization that wants to stay in business/power. No.
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Post by dafish on Oct 10, 2021 14:48:43 GMT -6
I can't say for certain, but I would certainly hope not. Trust but verify was a cold-war concept that was based on mistrust. Not at all the sort of relationship one would want between an owner and their GM. From what I've read, Avila already has job security for as long as he wants due to their shared philosophy of long-term goals including a huge focus on player development and the importance of sabermetrics and analytics. Trust but verify is used in every business or political organization that wants to stay in business/power. Corporate America buying into the BLM bullshit kind of disproves that. These duped fools basically have become complicit in endorsing a terrorist organization. I am not the biggest Donald Trump fan on earth, but he did have a great quote a few weeks ago...... Everything Woke Turns to Shit.
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Post by m240 on Oct 10, 2021 15:03:48 GMT -6
Trust but verify is used in every business or political organization that wants to stay in business/power. No. Yes
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