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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 14:16:08 GMT -6
Those who scoff at Strom for mistakes with certain pitchers, while not offering evidence to show that he actually made any mistakes, are normally the same critics who ignore it when the hitting coaches fail to diagnose problems and correct them. Strom is to blame when pitchers screw up, but, hitting coaches are blameless if hitters don't produce. Often, these are the same people who blame a pitcher when infielders make errors that keeps an inning going and runs score as a result of the errors. Where is your evidence that Dusty makes his players fail him? Where did I say that Dusty made the players fail? Where is your evidence that Dusty always plays the right players or inspires them to perform? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 2, 2021 14:20:48 GMT -6
You mean we don't have someone that Strom is mentoring? I know some people scoff at the idea/understanding how good he is for this team, But it's been mentioned several times over the years, from players, analysts, etc. You and your uncle keep spewing this nonsense about people scoffing at him being good, when it's just a lie. No one has questioned his success. The only thing that has ever been scoffed at is how you homers refuse to acknowledge when he F***s shit up with certain pitchers or fails to fix obvious issues. I guess you could say he's my uncle, b/c Sherwin is my BFAM and he is Corch JR/2.0. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 2, 2021 15:20:37 GMT -6
You and your uncle keep spewing this nonsense about people scoffing at him being good, when it's just a lie. No one has questioned his success. The only thing that has ever been scoffed at is how you homers refuse to acknowledge when he F***s shit up with certain pitchers or fails to fix obvious issues. I guess you could say he's my uncle, b/c Sherwin is my BFAM and he is Corch JR/2.0. Exactly |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 15:27:35 GMT -6
I guess you could say he's my uncle, b/c Sherwin is my BFAM and he is Corch JR/2.0. Exactly WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 15:29:06 GMT -6
Where is your evidence that Dusty makes his players fail him? Where did I say that Dusty made the players fail? Where is your evidence that Dusty always plays the right players or inspires them to perform? You’ve never once given any semblance of criticism of Strom whereas Dusty has been your personal piñata all season and the last. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 2, 2021 15:40:55 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 15:41:47 GMT -6
I want Chris Cuomo to fact-check this. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 2, 2021 15:43:25 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 17:06:57 GMT -6
Where did I say that Dusty made the players fail? Where is your evidence that Dusty always plays the right players or inspires them to perform? You’ve never once given any semblance of criticism of Strom whereas Dusty has been your personal piñata all season and the last. And you have never criticized either of our so-called hitting coaches. We see evidence of Strom's success with the pitchers. Where is any evidence that Centron and Snitker know what they are doing? I seem to recall you hammering Dusty a good bit yourself. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 17:46:21 GMT -6
You’ve never once given any semblance of criticism of Strom whereas Dusty has been your personal piñata all season and the last. And you have never criticized either of our so-called hitting coaches. We see evidence of Strom's success with the pitchers. Where is any evidence that Centron and Snitker know what they are doing? I seem to recall you hammering Dusty a good bit yourself. No one worships the hitting coaches. I have slammed Dusty on occasion, but I’ve also done so with Hinch. I just don’t think the sun rises and the sky falls with either guy. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 21:16:54 GMT -6
And you have never criticized either of our so-called hitting coaches. We see evidence of Strom's success with the pitchers. Where is any evidence that Centron and Snitker know what they are doing? I seem to recall you hammering Dusty a good bit yourself. No one worships the hitting coaches. I have slammed Dusty on occasion, but I’ve also done so with Hinch. I just don’t think the sun rises and the sky falls with either guy. I agree. I don't worship any human being. I slammed both Dusty and Hinch. I also don't think the sun rises and the sky falls with any coach or player. I just happen to see evidence of Strom's success while seeing very little that the hitting coaches are doing a good job. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 21:18:57 GMT -6
No one worships the hitting coaches. I have slammed Dusty on occasion, but I’ve also done so with Hinch. I just don’t think the sun rises and the sky falls with either guy. I agree. I don't worship any human being. I slammed both Dusty and Hinch. I also don't think the sun rises and the sky falls with any coach or player. I just happen to see evidence of Strom's success while seeing very little that the hitting coaches are doing a good job. Although I don’t particularly like the hitting coaches, the offense has shown success under their tutelage. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 21:53:47 GMT -6
I agree. I don't worship any human being. I slammed both Dusty and Hinch. I also don't think the sun rises and the sky falls with any coach or player. I just happen to see evidence of Strom's success while seeing very little that the hitting coaches are doing a good job. Although I don’t particularly like the hitting coaches, the offense has shown success under their tutelage. I am not sure any hitting coach could get Altuve to go back to hitting to all fields instead of being a dead pull hitter. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 21:59:31 GMT -6
Although I don’t particularly like the hitting coaches, the offense has shown success under their tutelage. I am not sure any hitting coach could get Altuve to go back to hitting to all fields instead of being a dead pull hitter. That’s a shame. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2021 23:09:12 GMT -6
Ugh...
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Post by dafish on Nov 2, 2021 23:15:42 GMT -6
What a f'n rotten baseball day. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 23:18:03 GMT -6
This isn't good news. I hope Centron and Snitker join him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 23:26:19 GMT -6
Good luck to you, Brent Strom. I appreciate the work you did while here. Take the hitting coaches with you, please. The team needs a restart.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 23:28:34 GMT -6
Good luck to you, Brent Strom. I appreciate the work you did while here. Take the hitting coaches with you, please. The team needs a restart. If Dusty stays, he'll want to hire his own coaches. At this point, I think Dusty and all the coaches are probably gone. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2021 2:20:18 GMT -6
What a f'n rotten baseball day. Knew it was coming, but it sucks to see it happen |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 3, 2021 2:57:41 GMT -6
It is comforting to know that he's essentially been training some in-house replacements. We should be okay...but it's definitely the end of an era. Pitchers, managers, GMs etc. have come and gone but he's been the one constant through this golden age.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 3, 2021 6:14:59 GMT -6
Man, the sniffles and bloodshot cry-eyes was hard to watch. Got to respect someone who cares that much.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2021 6:36:59 GMT -6
Man, the sniffles and bloodshot cry-eyes was hard to watch. Got to respect someone who cares that much. Total class..This off season is going to be interesting, to see which direction the Astros go. Rotoworld posted that Crane says he wants to meet with Dusty, and work out an extension. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 6:43:34 GMT -6
Man, the sniffles and bloodshot cry-eyes was hard to watch. Got to respect someone who cares that much. Total class..This off season is going to be interesting, to see which direction the Astros go. Rotoworld posted that Crane says he wants to meet with Dusty, and work out an extension.   Arghhh!!!.. The news just keeps getting worse by the minute. |
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Post by koolade2 on Nov 3, 2021 8:15:10 GMT -6
I got the feeling that Dusty and Brent were not always on the same thought especially with Pitchers. Brent had a great reputation and that will be missed by the Astros. At this point, this will be a completely new team from coaches on down.
I am disappointed that Crane is considering bringing back Dusty. I think the team needs to move on in several areas to change the perceived attitude of the team.
Too many players in the last couple of months became no-shows.
Saw a Short Post suppose to be from Correa and he basically said in so many words he will be gone. I fully admit that I will not miss him.
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 8:49:07 GMT -6
Saw a Short Post suppose to be from Correa and he basically said in so many words he will be gone. I fully admit that I will not miss him. I know I may be in the minority, but I just despise showboating in the MLB. That part of the Correa clown show, I will not miss. That is what is so refreshing with addtion of new stars Tucker and Alvarez. (minus Yo's 2021 WS output) Did anyone notice Siri out there almost high 5ing Tucker on his spectaular catch last night? You could almost read Tucker telling him to STFU, and get back in position. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 3, 2021 9:21:31 GMT -6
It is sad to see Strom go. I have a ton of respect for that man. Wishing him nothing but the best....
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 14:31:26 GMT -6
Man, the sniffles and bloodshot cry-eyes was hard to watch. Got to respect someone who cares that much. More emotional than the players who’ve left. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 14:33:07 GMT -6
Total class..This off season is going to be interesting, to see which direction the Astros go. Rotoworld posted that Crane says he wants to meet with Dusty, and work out an extension. Arghhh!!!.. The news just keeps getting worse by the minute. If Dusty impacted the outcomes significantly, then this team was never good to begin with. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 15:41:12 GMT -6
If Dusty impacted the outcomes significantly, then this team was never good to begin with. You bring up a good point from an execution perspective on a short term basis. What percent of games would be decided differently if the manager had made a different decison..... I know woulda, coulda, shoulda's are statistically impossible to quantify. But when you add them up on a 162 game basis, I bet it can be pretty significant, but yes again unquantifiable. Execution wise, I think Baker is sound fundementally in his play calling. I'd give Dusty a B- But then add the element of oversight of work ethic, recogntion of player flaws, properly playing hutches without the grips and constraints of sabermetirics, then I think it becomes evident which managers his staff properly direct an organization toward proper optimization of the talent that they have available. In this aspect Dusty gets in my opinion a D+ in his entire career. Don't forget young arms have been ruined in Dusty's career by player (over) usage. Don't get me wrong, Dusty is not the worst manager ever. I'd put him in the middle quintile of those I have seen in my life. Heaven knows this franchise has endured worse than him through likes Bo Porter, Jimy Williams, and Cecil Cooper. |
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