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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2021 21:50:00 GMT -6
Now that it's final, I'm looking up Correa's post-season batting numbers, and you'll notice that they get steadily worse the further you get in the playoffs.
Wild Card: 1.017 OPS
Division: .985 OPS
Championship: .810 OPS
World Series: .735 OPS
And that's before his 0-for-4 tonight, which will drop his WS numbers even more.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 21:55:57 GMT -6
Now that it's final, I'm looking up Correa's post-season batting numbers, and you'll notice that they get steadily worse the further you get in the playoffs. Wild Card: 1.017 OPS Division: .985 OPS Championship: .810 OPS World Series: .735 OPS And that's before his 0-for-4 tonight, which will drop his WS numbers even more. While you're at it.....post the same numbers for Altuve, Bregman, and the rest. I can assure you that you will find that his numbers were better than some. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 21:58:01 GMT -6
That is a STEEP downgrade in SS defense. Yeah I'd much rather go big on pitching. In case anyone hasn't noticed from our last two World Series trips, pitching wins. I totally agree on the pitching. We need to sign an ACE and one other starter. I am anxious to see if they make a run at re-signing Verlander. I think Greinke is gone. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 22:17:46 GMT -6
Yeah I'd much rather go big on pitching. In case anyone hasn't noticed from our last two World Series trips, pitching wins. I totally agree on the pitching. We need to sign an ACE and one other starter. I am anxious to see if they make a run at re-signing Verlander. I think Greinke is gone. Let’s give a hand to Zack Greinke. He’s a shell of his former ace self, but he pitched quality postseason games for the most part while he was here and was mismanaged out of at least one championship. Good luck to him in the future. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 2, 2021 22:18:31 GMT -6
How are the Braves so much better at seeing pitches? Isn’t our offense supposed to be better? What am I missing here? Like I said in my predicton the Braves would win it. Sometimes Hungry wins out over complacency. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 2, 2021 22:21:10 GMT -6
Good run, guys. Get a SS and build up the pitching. Let's try and do it again next year! Assuming there's actually a season next year and not a strike/lockout. I hope the Golden Goose gets cooked. Our economy is near a tipping point, and if the lockout/strike coincides...... I am feeling that a post economic downturn, baseball is not going to see much demand for $100/ticket seats. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 2, 2021 22:24:04 GMT -6
How are the Braves so much better at seeing pitches? Isn’t our offense supposed to be better? What am I missing here? Not an excuse, but our team is tired. It took everything they had to beat Boston. Braves had to play a lot more on the road in this post season than we did. I think you are mistaking fatigue for complacency and lack of focus. |
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Post by surfintexas on Nov 2, 2021 22:31:32 GMT -6
I can't but think they mailed it in tonight. There wasn't one bit of fight and to get shutout in Game 6 is inexcusable. Atlanta pitching is that good That's it, right there. They quit tonight after the 3 run hr. Im so pissed right now they could blow up the team and start over for all i care. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 22:43:10 GMT -6
I can't but think they mailed it in tonight. There wasn't one bit of fight and to get shutout in Game 6 is inexcusable. Atlanta pitching is that good That's it, right there. They quit tonight after the 3 run hr. Im so pissed right now they could blow up the team and start over for all i care. I’m with you, man. They need to start over. Lance, Altuve, and Tucker are good, but they need to make decisions on other players. |
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Post by dafish on Nov 2, 2021 22:46:14 GMT -6
If someone had told me a few weeks ago that only one Astro would hit home runs in the WS, I would have figured we were swept.
The Braves basically beat us using our own style of play.
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2021 23:00:36 GMT -6
Yeah I'd much rather go big on pitching. In case anyone hasn't noticed from our last two World Series trips, pitching wins. I totally agree on the pitching. We need to sign an ACE and one other starter. I am anxious to see if they make a run at re-signing Verlander. I think Greinke is gone. I think they'll give JV the qualifying offer, and I think there's a good chance he takes it. JV would have to believe that some other team will give him a multi-year deal worth over $20 million per season AND give up a draft pick for him coming off of TJS at nearly age 40. It's hard to imagine a team willing to do that. His best bet would be to take the QO and re-establish his value. If so, you get JV at $18.something million, LMJ, Garcia, Framber, and go out and get another legit starter. Urquidy can be a swingman until you need another starter (which of course you will eventually). Ray and Gausman would be my top-of-the-market targets. Syndergaard and Rodon are out there too if they're healthy. Along with keeping the bullpen intact, another extension with Pressly would be a good idea, too. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 23:09:08 GMT -6
That's it, right there. They quit tonight after the 3 run hr. Im so pissed right now they could blow up the team and start over for all i care. I’m with you, man. They need to start over. Lance, Altuve, and Tucker are good, but they need to make decisions on other players. We lost the WS when McCullers was ruled out of it. We managed to get by Boston without him because their bullpen sucked. The Braves lost Morton in game one, but, they still had Anderson, Fried, and some tough lefties in the pen. We need to make some changes from within like converting Yordan into a first baseman, move Yuli to third base, and Bregman to SS assuming we lose Correa. Brantley needs to be the primary DH and get him out of the outfield. That should cut down on wear and tear. Sign a power hitter to play LF. Meyers and McCormick can split time in CF. We could use Siri as a trade piece. I would also look into trading Odorizzi if we sign a solid starter. It is not too soon to start thinking about extending Tucker and Alvarez. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2021 23:13:13 GMT -6
I’m with you, man. They need to start over. Lance, Altuve, and Tucker are good, but they need to make decisions on other players. We lost the WS when McCullers was ruled out of it. We managed to get by Boston without him because their bullpen sucked. The Braves lost Morton in game one, but, they still had Anderson, Fried, and some tough lefties in the pen. We need to make some changes from within like converting Yordan into a first baseman, move Yuli to third base, and Bregman to SS assuming we lose Correa. Brantley needs to be the primary DH and get him out of the outfield. That should cut down on wear and tear. Sign a power hitter to play LF. Meyers and McCormick can split time in CF. We could use Siri as a trade piece. I would also look into trading Odorizzi if we sign a solid starter. It is not too soon to start thinking about extending Tucker and Alvarez. Boy Yuli 3B, Bregman SS and Yordan 1B would be a HUGE blow to the defense, I can't agree with that. Brantley is only here one more year and he's not awful in LF, no reason to do anything that will put more pressure on Yordan's knees and body IMO, especially with the universal DH likely incoming. I do think Ordorizzi will be gone, and definitely time to work on Tucker/Alvarez extensions. They waited too long on Correa. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 23:16:43 GMT -6
If someone had told me a few weeks ago that only one Astro would hit home runs in the WS, I would have figured we were swept. The Braves basically beat us using our own style of play. Seeing that only Altuve homered for the team in the World Series was enough for me to want to shake up this roster. With all the big bats, Altuve shouldn’t be the one carrying the slack in the power department. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 23:18:19 GMT -6
We lost the WS when McCullers was ruled out of it. We managed to get by Boston without him because their bullpen sucked. The Braves lost Morton in game one, but, they still had Anderson, Fried, and some tough lefties in the pen. We need to make some changes from within like converting Yordan into a first baseman, move Yuli to third base, and Bregman to SS assuming we lose Correa. Brantley needs to be the primary DH and get him out of the outfield. That should cut down on wear and tear. Sign a power hitter to play LF. Meyers and McCormick can split time in CF. We could use Siri as a trade piece. I would also look into trading Odorizzi if we sign a solid starter. It is not too soon to start thinking about extending Tucker and Alvarez. Boy Yuli 3B, Bregman SS and Yordan 1B would be a HUGE blow to the defense, I can't agree with that. Brantley is only here one more year and he's not awful in LF, no reason to do anything that will put more pressure on Yordan's knees and body IMO, especially with the universal DH likely incoming. I do think Ordorizzi will be gone, and definitely time to work on Tucker/Alvarez extensions. They waited too long on Correa. Who’s going to want Odorizzi? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 23:23:23 GMT -6
Boy Yuli 3B, Bregman SS and Yordan 1B would be a HUGE blow to the defense, I can't agree with that. Brantley is only here one more year and he's not awful in LF, no reason to do anything that will put more pressure on Yordan's knees and body IMO, especially with the universal DH likely incoming. I do think Ordorizzi will be gone, and definitely time to work on Tucker/Alvarez extensions. They waited too long on Correa. Who’s going to want Odorizzi? We wouldn't get much for him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 2, 2021 23:27:44 GMT -6
What I want for Bregman is for a hitting coach to get his ass back into a MLB-quality slugger.
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2021 23:27:53 GMT -6
Boy Yuli 3B, Bregman SS and Yordan 1B would be a HUGE blow to the defense, I can't agree with that. Brantley is only here one more year and he's not awful in LF, no reason to do anything that will put more pressure on Yordan's knees and body IMO, especially with the universal DH likely incoming. I do think Ordorizzi will be gone, and definitely time to work on Tucker/Alvarez extensions. They waited too long on Correa. Who’s going to want Odorizzi? There's plenty of teams who could convince themselves that he rebounds and is worth his $8 million salary. He doesn't have to do much to be worth that, honestly. The Astros could even eat a couple million to make it better. A team that needs a solid backend veteran with some post-season experience but don't have a ton of money would love him. Detroit, Minnesota, Philly, Seattle, Cincinnati (darn near the entire NLC actually) all seem like decent fits to me. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 2, 2021 23:28:50 GMT -6
Who’s going to want Odorizzi? We wouldn't get much for him. Yeah, it would pretty much just be a salary dump move. Free up another $6-8 million AAV to throw at someone like Graveman or a big SP. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 2, 2021 23:31:32 GMT -6
What I want for Bregman is for a hitting coach to get his ass back into a MLB-quality slugger. Bregman showed up to ST this year with that leg still bothering him which tells me he didn't do much in the off season be sure he was 100%. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 3, 2021 5:04:37 GMT -6
I won't cry if he leaves or if anyone else leaves. I would like to see Bregman move to ss and sign Kris Bryant to play 3rd. That would be a good move. Bryant could play 3B for a year then move to 1B in 2023 when Yuli leaves. Bregman could play SS for a year and give Pena a full season to develop at AAA then move back to third base in 2023 when Pena takes over at SS. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 5:56:03 GMT -6
Who’s going to want Odorizzi? There's plenty of teams who could convince themselves that he rebounds and is worth his $8 million salary. He doesn't have to do much to be worth that, honestly. The Astros could even eat a couple million to make it better. A team that needs a solid backend veteran with some post-season experience but don't have a ton of money would love him. Detroit, Minnesota, Philly, Seattle, Cincinnati (darn near the entire NLC actually) all seem like decent fits to me. He makes less than Scott Feldman did? Deal him then. We don’t need pitchers who act like 6 innings is 12. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 5:56:54 GMT -6
I would like to see Bregman move to ss and sign Kris Bryant to play 3rd. That would be a good move. Bryant could play 3B for a year then move to 1B in 2023 when Yuli leaves. Bregman could play SS for a year and give Pena a full season to develop at AAA then move back to third base in 2023 when Pena takes over at SS. They should have Bryant as the new LF after Brantley leaves. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 3, 2021 7:02:53 GMT -6
Whatever they do will be interesting. Click finally gets a chance to reshape the roster.
Luhnow did a great job of putting this group together but now it needs to be shook up. Click is starting from a strong position. Hope he does not screw it up
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Post by dafish on Nov 3, 2021 7:30:08 GMT -6
That would be a good move. Bryant could play 3B for a year then move to 1B in 2023 when Yuli leaves. Bregman could play SS for a year and give Pena a full season to develop at AAA then move back to third base in 2023 when Pena takes over at SS. They should have Bryant as the new LF after Brantley leaves. Is it a given that Brantley leaves? Bryant might have more power, but he is "K" machine which what I thought counter to our strategy for building a sound lineup. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 8:16:31 GMT -6
I think Graveman has just little track record enough that we might be able to retain him with non-closer money (especially if he wants to stay with a proven winning franchise). I'd also like to retain Yimi Garcia and Brooks Raley. Need a big starter though, even if JV comes back and is healthy. I’d rather have a lefty who can also get righties out than Raley. Just my opinion. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 3, 2021 8:17:01 GMT -6
They should have Bryant as the new LF after Brantley leaves. Is it a given that Brantley leaves? Bryant might have more power, but he is "K" machine which what I thought counter to our strategy for building a sound lineup. Our anti-K strategy didn’t seem to work against the Braves. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 3, 2021 8:19:47 GMT -6
I would like to see Bregman move to ss and sign Kris Bryant to play 3rd. That would be a good move. Bryant could play 3B for a year then move to 1B in 2023 when Yuli leaves. Bregman could play SS for a year and give Pena a full season to develop at AAA then move back to third base in 2023 when Pena takes over at SS. Very good post |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 3, 2021 9:26:23 GMT -6
They should have Bryant as the new LF after Brantley leaves. Is it a given that Brantley leaves? Bryant might have more power, but he is "K" machine which what I thought counter to our strategy for building a sound lineup. Brantley leaving isn't a problem that needs to be addressed this offseason. He's on contract ($16MM) for the 2022 season. |
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Nov 3, 2021 9:30:37 GMT -6
I am still very sad at the outcome of Game 6 and our performance. Next season feels so far away…
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