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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:31:48 GMT -6
I agree with that even though I don’t recall CK being a criminal. Kaepernick is not a convicted criminal, but, he is low-class thug who shows total disrespect for our country and our military. Any owner that signs this piece of garbage needs to go bankrupt. Tlhere should be no place for trash like him, Michael Bennett, or any of the rest of that bunch of trash. I just don’t think of the NFL as some sanctimonious and morally responsible entity, which is why I don’t have any kind of high standards for how they operate. I mean it’s not like the commissioner is the Archbishop of Canterbury. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:32:59 GMT -6
Kaepernick has still got the right to seek employment. He never broke the law. A couple veterans I talked to said he’s a jerk but still had the right to say what he said. On a similar tangent, I don’t like the Ku Klux Klan, but stifling their speech infringes on their rights too. The bottom line is he took a gamble, and it didn’t pay off financially. He still had his right to say and do what he did. P.S. I never supported Kaepernick’s actions. Kaperknucklehead is free to be as stupid as he wants to be. Just not on anybody elses dime or time. Freedom to speak does not include freedom from the reactions of others who exercise their free speech by rejecting him, both as a person or as an employee.
Just try telling YOUR boss that you intend to insult his biggest clients/customers when they come to HIS place of business or you're acting as HIS agent and find out how long YOU last.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 23, 2018 15:33:00 GMT -6
All I’m saying is that Kaepernick is deserving of the right to try out for teams. I never said they owe him a job. What he did was really annoying but not unlawful. What Rice did was reprehensible, a PR nightmare, and especially illegal. They’re two different situations. Does just anyone have a RIGHT to try out for a job in the NFL? Do you? Do you think, if I walked into the front lobby of my hospital, knelt down and protested against Hillary Clinton, my hospital would just brush it off and let me do it? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:37:26 GMT -6
All I’m saying is that Kaepernick is deserving of the right to try out for teams. I never said they owe him a job. What he did was really annoying but not unlawful. What Rice did was reprehensible, a PR nightmare, and especially illegal. They’re two different situations. Does just anyone have a RIGHT to try out for a job in the NFL? Do you? Do you think, if I walked into the front lobby of my hospital, knelt down and protested against Hillary Clinton, my hospital would just brush it off and let me do it? But he’s not just anyone. I don’t have the skill set of Colin Kaepernick nor the résumé. I also don’t think the NFL operates the same as a standard business. It’s kind of like a circus of owners exploiting players and players being given leeway in behavior for entertainment purposes. I doubt after saving a life you’re allowed to spike the scalpel to the ground and moon your coworkers, but this behavior is basically allowed in football. Like I said, it’s not like he beat his wife, killed someone, or was caught selling drugs to minors. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 23, 2018 15:44:00 GMT -6
What I'm not allowed to do is to alienate and drive away a large percentage of my employer's customer base.
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Post by marshall on Jun 23, 2018 15:45:40 GMT -6
Does just anyone have a RIGHT to try out for a job in the NFL? Do you? Do you think, if I walked into the front lobby of my hospital, knelt down and protested against Hillary Clinton, my hospital would just brush it off and let me do it? But he’s not just anyone. I don’t have the skill set of Colin Kaepernick. I also don’t think the NFL operates the same as a standard business. It’s kind of like a circus of owners exploiting players and players being given leeway in behavior for entertainment purposes. I doubt after saving a life you’re allowed to spike the scalpel to the ground and moon your coworkers, but this behavior is basically allowed in football. I think we just found out it's NOT allowed by the Owners. The NFL on the other hand is finding out the consequences of PC over it's CUSTOMERS, at least the largest portion of them in order to please those who would ban football if they had their way. The NFL is as stupid as Kaperknucklehead and his player supporters like the Left Tackle whose name I have already forgotten. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:45:58 GMT -6
Well, the employers have rights to deny employment too. I feel that if on the basis of merit he landed a job, then good for him.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:47:19 GMT -6
But he’s not just anyone. I don’t have the skill set of Colin Kaepernick. I also don’t think the NFL operates the same as a standard business. It’s kind of like a circus of owners exploiting players and players being given leeway in behavior for entertainment purposes. I doubt after saving a life you’re allowed to spike the scalpel to the ground and moon your coworkers, but this behavior is basically allowed in football. I think we just found out it's NOT allowed by the Owners. The NFL on the other hand is finding out the consequences of PC over it's CUSTOMERS, at least the largest portion of them in order to please those who would ban football if they had their way. The NFL is stupid. I think the NFL is stupid too, but I enjoy watching it. It puts me at a crossroads, especially with memories of watching Oilers and Texans games with my dad and all. |
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Post by marshall on Jun 23, 2018 15:50:09 GMT -6
But he’s not just anyone. I don’t have the skill set of Colin Kaepernick. I also don’t think the NFL operates the same as a standard business. It’s kind of like a circus of owners exploiting players and players being given leeway in behavior for entertainment purposes. I doubt after saving a life you’re allowed to spike the scalpel to the ground and moon your coworkers, but this behavior is basically allowed in football. I think we just found out it's NOT allowed by the Owners. The NFL on the other hand is finding out the consequences of PC over it's CUSTOMERS, at least the largest portion of them in order to please those who would ban football if they had their way. The NFL is as stupid as Kaperknucklehead and his player supporters like the Left Tackle whose name I have already forgotten. By the way, there is no conspiracy when 32 teams make the individual choice not to alienate any more of their customers. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jun 23, 2018 16:02:48 GMT -6
"But he’s not just anyone. I don’t have the skill set of Colin Kaepernick."
For one thing, his Skill set was not good enough to be a back-up anymore!! This is why he doesn't have a Job!!.
As a Combat Vet with three Bronze Stars, I think the fool has every right to do what he did and I might not like it even hate it. That is one of the rights I fought for the Freedom to say and be who I want to be. If I don't like it I have the right to not support what his employment is. Meaning I choose to not watch NFL as long as the NFL supports this type of Behavior.
Every Day the Left is trying to Silence the Right and we are falling right into that trap by trying to Silence them when they do stuff that insults more than half the Nation. Let them show how Anti-American they are and who supports them so they can be voted out of office.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 23, 2018 16:21:56 GMT -6
Kaepernick is not a convicted criminal, but, he is low-class thug who shows total disrespect for our country and our military. Any owner that signs this piece of garbage needs to go bankrupt. Tlhere should be no place for trash like him, Michael Bennett, or any of the rest of that bunch of trash. I just don’t think of the NFL as some sanctimonious and morally responsible entity, which is why I don’t have any kind of high standards for how they operate. I mean it’s not like the commissioner is the Archbishop of Canterbury. No, NFL Commissioner Roger Goddell is a spineless coward who tries to keep from enforcing rules. These players who take a knee to protest are on the job and have no right to protest while working. I used tp enjoy NFL football, but, I refuse to watch as long as the commissioner and owners allow these players to disrespect the country. I also wonder why NFL and NBA teams announce they won't visit the White House even though they have not been invited........I haven't watched NBA games in a long time because it is made up primarily of over-paid streetballers who don't play defense.......it's all about shooting the three and the slam dunk. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 24, 2018 10:19:55 GMT -6
Does just anyone have a RIGHT to try out for a job in the NFL? Do you? Do you think, if I walked into the front lobby of my hospital, knelt down and protested against Hillary Clinton, my hospital would just brush it off and let me do it? But he’s not just anyone. I don’t have the skill set of Colin Kaepernick nor the résumé. I also don’t think the NFL operates the same as a standard business. It’s kind of like a circus of owners exploiting players and players being given leeway in behavior for entertainment purposes. I doubt after saving a life you’re allowed to spike the scalpel to the ground and moon your coworkers, but this behavior is basically allowed in football. Like I said, it’s not like he beat his wife, killed someone, or was caught selling drugs to minors. It is the objective of those that want to tear up the fabric of what it means to be an American to disrupt as many of our customs, norms, morality, and value structure as they can. They are dedicated, focused, relentless, and totality lacking in any form of objectivity outside of just pushing that ball forward as far as they can as fast as they can. The end game is of course to make us question everything and not be able to rely on anything for certain. The end game is to make us dependent upon an all powerful federal government, one that can freely spy on it's citizens, ignore due process, seize assets at it's own discretion, suppress free speech, dilute the rights of citizenship, ignore freedom of religion, use governmental agencies to intimidate the population, and rig elections. The process is well under way and the noose is tightening ever day. What truly amazes me is that our nation as a whole is becoming so willing to participate in it's own decline by supporting causes that fly in the face of what should be normal American life. Like the rule of law in regards to immigration, like our business now focusing on what they can get away with and not what is right, like our pride in being American. Kaepernick is the poster child for pissing on American values. Screw him and his behavior should not be sanctioned by any American institution. The NFL moved slightly in the correct direction but not far enough to get me to be a fan again. As a nation we seem to have forgotten that it ain't yours if you are not strong enough to keep it. We better start remembering this or it will be too late. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 24, 2018 11:47:09 GMT -6
We may not agree with Kaepernick, but he still has the right to peacefully voice his opinion.
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Post by marshall on Jun 24, 2018 12:18:20 GMT -6
We may not agree with Kaepernick, but he still has the right to peacefully voice his opinion. But NOT AT WORK. AND if I don't like it I will turn it OFF...and have. Thus , there are consequences when you voice stupidity and insult people. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 24, 2018 13:50:43 GMT -6
We may not agree with Kaepernick, but he still has the right to peacefully voice his opinion. But NOT AT WORK. AND if I don't like it I will turn it OFF...and have. Thus , there are consequences when you voice stupidity and insult people. But isn’t that on his employers if they allow conduct detrimental to business operations? |
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Post by Saint on Jun 24, 2018 13:51:37 GMT -6
But NOT AT WORK. AND if I don't like it I will turn it OFF...and have. Thus , there are consequences when you voice stupidity and insult people. But isn’t that on his employers if they allow conduct detrimental to business operations? Shut your mouth, Hippy! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 24, 2018 13:52:22 GMT -6
But isn’t that on his employers if they allow conduct detrimental to business operations? Shut your mouth, Hippy! Pretty much. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 24, 2018 13:53:29 GMT -6
I don't like the kneeling, but it ain't worth losing sleep over either way. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 24, 2018 14:48:37 GMT -6
I don't like the kneeling, but it ain't worth losing sleep over either way. Having the Justice Department ship weapons to the cartels in Mexico so that they could kill people in the name of weakening our resolve for our second amendment is not worth losing sleep over, Having the IRS silence the TEA party was not worth losing sleep over, Having the State Department sell 25% of our uranium to Russia was not worth losing sleep over, Having the FBI engage in a shame of an investigation on a person who considered herself above the law because she was and is so we obviously do not have equal justice under the law is not worth losing sleep over, Having conservative voices exiled from our universities and colleges is not worth losing sleep over, Having the BLM take public land and restrict its use with just the stroke of a pen is not worth losing sleep over, Having your property rights seized or restricted by the EPA is not worth losing sleep over, Having our news media become part of the process of overthrowing a duly elected President is not worth losing sleep over, Having the Democratic party rig an election so that the person holding the purse strings of the party wins is not worth losing sleep over, Having the news media and every Democrat out there present false information about immigrants and their children is not worth losing sleep over, Really I could do this all day but what is the point, it is not going to impact me, hell I am too old to lose any sleep over this stuff just like the older Jews in Europe were too old to worry about some crazy ass named Hitler, after all they were not coming for them, until they did. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jun 24, 2018 15:40:21 GMT -6
Yes, too many are too comfortable in everyday life to realize what is happening around then just like Germany was before WWII.
All these young millennials have no idea what it would really be like to live in a Communist Country. I think they all should have to to take a 3-4 month sabbatical and go live in a Muslim country under their rules. Heck, even some of the countries in South America would wake them up.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 24, 2018 15:53:21 GMT -6
We may not agree with Kaepernick, but he still has the right to peacefully voice his opinion. Having the "right" to do something does not protect your from the consequences of doing it. This cocksnorfler is paying those consequences, as is the league as a whole. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 24, 2018 16:09:18 GMT -6
We may not agree with Kaepernick, but he still has the right to peacefully voice his opinion. Having the "right" to do something does not protect your from the consequences of doing it. This cocksnorfler is paying those consequences, as is the league as a whole. And I don’t have a problem with that either. People act like the NFL should employ him against its will, which would also be unfair. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 24, 2018 16:53:49 GMT -6
Yes, too many are too comfortable in everyday life to realize what is happening around then just like Germany was before WWII. All these young millennials have no idea what it would really be like to live in a Communist Country. I think they all should have to to take a 3-4 month sabbatical and go live in a Muslim country under their rules. Heck, even some of the countries in South America would wake them up. A real good friend of mine had a ranch taken from his family by one of the cartels in Mexico. The ranch had been in their family for generations. The guys from the cartel showed up one day and said that they wanted to buy the ranch. They were told no and soon the youngest son disappeared. They had a visitor a couple days later that said that they should be a little more reasonable about selling the ranch. If they were then good things might start happening for them. They went to the government and nothing happened. So up against a wall as their daughter was to be the next one to go missing, they sold for pennies on the dollar. The youngest son came home and the rest of the family came up to the states as they all had business visas as they own several businesses up here. That is all but the middle son, he stayed there and saw how their ranch was divided up. The cartel kept the land adjacent to the pavement and a couple of government folks wound up with pieces that had small houses on them. My friend's family are in complete agreement that immigration has to be managed. They understand that unfettered immigration means that here begins to look like there pretty quick. And they do not want that, that is what they ran away from. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jun 24, 2018 17:01:38 GMT -6
Looks like on or around July 1st Mexico will become Venezuela, the person leading in the Pre Voting is an out and out Communist. Has pledged to swamp the border with all the Poor People as the Elite along with the Cartels want everything for themselves.
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Post by m240 on Jun 24, 2018 17:30:10 GMT -6
If that is really what he thinks he is going to do and then he does it then that will be an act of war. Guess he won't be in office long.
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Post by ericdoesntcare on Jul 11, 2018 18:23:42 GMT -6
I sure am glad I came back to this same old argument... People really should read the Constitution before trying to quote it... Makes me wonder, if some of the people on this board even study a topic before replying... The ignorance still amazes me...
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 11, 2018 18:33:10 GMT -6
I sure am glad I came back to this same old argument... People really should read the Constitution before trying to quote it... Makes me wonder, if some of the people on this board even study a topic before replying... The ignorance still amazes me... |
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Post by ericdoesntcare on Jul 11, 2018 18:40:44 GMT -6
I sure am glad I came back to this same old argument... People really should read the Constitution before trying to quote it... Makes me wonder, if some of the people on this board even study a topic before replying... The ignorance still amazes me... This is an argument that caused so many problems on the old board. It is still going on here... If you take a look at the entire thread, you will see that some of what is being posted is based on bad information, or a lack of knowledge... I am not going to call anybody out, but it doesn't take much to find the posts...
I am all for having these types of discussions. It can be very entertaining, and somewhat informative...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 18:42:07 GMT -6
I sure am glad I came back to this same old argument... People really should read the Constitution before trying to quote it... Makes me wonder, if some of the people on this board even study a topic before replying... The ignorance still amazes me... Care to elaborate? I thought the two main points of the thread were Liberal Censorship (Rosanne). and merits of Kaepernicks protests. Is your point his First Amendment Right? Because I don't see much flack about his ability to be provided that versus say, the wisdom of it. Just wondering. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 11, 2018 18:46:16 GMT -6
I have read the entire thread. I see references to the Bill of Rights, but can't find anything about the Constitution. For the sake of studying a topic before replying about it, that is
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