talshill
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Post by talshill on Oct 24, 2023 19:25:51 GMT -6
Yup. We never hesitated at extending Biggio and Bagwell. They were both horrible in the playoffs. Agree. You gotta get there to suck in the playoffs and Tucker is probably the main guy who got us there. Plus he could flip a switch and tear the cover off the ball next playoffs. But 30/30 caliber ballplayers don't grow on trees. They're not going to trade him and they'll do their best to sign him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 24, 2023 20:04:43 GMT -6
Does anyone want the team to allow Brantley to steal 12 or 14 million again this next season? No. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 24, 2023 20:07:30 GMT -6
1. Do you make Altuve and Bregman Astros for life, if so get it done. 2. Sign Tucker to a long term deal or trade him. 3. Find a starting catcher so we have a 1A and a 1B situation so we can work Diaz into first base. 4. Figure out what happened to Pena in the second half of the year. 5. Sign Montgomery and trade Framber. 6. Convert Brown to a multiple inning reliever. 7. Figure out what the hell happened mid season that caused our pitching to fall off of a cliff. 8. One more solid reliever 1. There is no replacement for either. Altuve is obvious, so let me talk about Bregman for a minute, since a bunch of people are down on him since he didn't maintain his 8 WAR dominance from 2018-2019. From 2020 to present, he's been the fifth best 3B in all of baseball by WAR, even with injuries and with his fall off from his career years. Only Ramirez, Machado, Riley, and Arenado have been better. Three of those guys are in the NL. Bregman has literally been the second-best at his position in the league over the last four seasons. We have nothing internal that can even come close. There are no free agents that come close. If you don't resign him, you will be facing a major decline at that position. 2. I honestly think they have to resign Tucker now that they traded Gilbert. They will not be able to assemble a great outfield long-term if they don't. There's just not enough internally anymore. Maybe Melton is a solid everyday guy. I hope so. Tucker has two years left, and Chas only has three (he's been around longer than most remember). 3. Diaz needs to be playing C 4-5 times a week. He's a good receiver with a great arm. I don't think we need to spend resources on someone to take experience and playing time away from him. 4. Pena's year was weird. He hit six home runs in April, 2 in May, 1 in June, 1 on July 5th, and that was it. Despite that, his best month was August, when he hit .333/.426/.455...but no long balls. I honestly think he was better overall at the plate, but he needs to find the power again without the improvements to walk and strikeout rates he made vanishing in the process. 5. Yes. 6. No. 7. The great mystery that needs answering. 8. Need more than one. Stanek and Neris are gone (good). Maton is gone as well. Why do you hate Neris so much? Dude was nails when we needed him, and that’s saying a lot compared to the other clowns on the roster. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 24, 2023 20:08:24 GMT -6
Yup. We never hesitated at extending Biggio and Bagwell. They were both horrible in the playoffs. Agree. You gotta get there to suck in the playoffs and Tucker is probably the main guy who got us there. Plus he could flip a switch and tear the cover off the ball next playoffs. But 30/30 caliber ballplayers don't grow on trees. They're not going to trade him and they'll do their best to sign him. I really liked Tucker’s Berkman-like approach at the plate in 2021. Let’s hope he goes back to crushing pitches to left field. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 25, 2023 7:03:06 GMT -6
1. There is no replacement for either. Altuve is obvious, so let me talk about Bregman for a minute, since a bunch of people are down on him since he didn't maintain his 8 WAR dominance from 2018-2019. From 2020 to present, he's been the fifth best 3B in all of baseball by WAR, even with injuries and with his fall off from his career years. Only Ramirez, Machado, Riley, and Arenado have been better. Three of those guys are in the NL. Bregman has literally been the second-best at his position in the league over the last four seasons. We have nothing internal that can even come close. There are no free agents that come close. If you don't resign him, you will be facing a major decline at that position. 2. I honestly think they have to resign Tucker now that they traded Gilbert. They will not be able to assemble a great outfield long-term if they don't. There's just not enough internally anymore. Maybe Melton is a solid everyday guy. I hope so. Tucker has two years left, and Chas only has three (he's been around longer than most remember). 3. Diaz needs to be playing C 4-5 times a week. He's a good receiver with a great arm. I don't think we need to spend resources on someone to take experience and playing time away from him. 4. Pena's year was weird. He hit six home runs in April, 2 in May, 1 in June, 1 on July 5th, and that was it. Despite that, his best month was August, when he hit .333/.426/.455...but no long balls. I honestly think he was better overall at the plate, but he needs to find the power again without the improvements to walk and strikeout rates he made vanishing in the process. 5. Yes. 6. No. 7. The great mystery that needs answering. 8. Need more than one. Stanek and Neris are gone (good). Maton is gone as well. Why do you hate Neris so much? Dude was nails when we needed him, and that’s saying a lot compared to the other clowns on the roster. You really have to ask? He's found some wonky metric that says the player's production is not real (despite him doing it every year) and he is surely going to regress any day now. |
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Post by m240 on Oct 25, 2023 9:29:45 GMT -6
1. Do you make Altuve and Bregman Astros for life, if so get it done. 2. Sign Tucker to a long term deal or trade him. 3. Find a starting catcher so we have a 1A and a 1B situation so we can work Diaz into first base. 4. Figure out what happened to Pena in the second half of the year. 5. Sign Montgomery and trade Framber. 6. Convert Brown to a multiple inning reliever. 7. Figure out what the hell happened mid season that caused our pitching to fall off of a cliff. 8. One more solid reliever 1. Yes to both 2. Sign him. No other choice. 3. We have a starting catcher. 4. Good luck. 5. a. Yes b. No 6. No 7. Already know. Using multiple rookies not used to the workload caused excessive stress on a BP that had already regressed. Then FV and CV forgot what made them successful, which stressed the BP even more, which in turn put more stress on the upcoming starters to do well. Plus Baker trying to squeeze another inning from his SP. Framber and Tucker aren't going anywhere. I agree we should start looking for a C so that Diaz can play 1b in a couple of years when Abreu's contract is up. They need a SP, 2 RP, and a LF. Or a CF and move Chas to left. We'll have to deal with Altuve's atrocious defense a while longer. My opinion of Tucker is that we should do everything we can to sign him but I think he has already made up his mind to try free agency. No inside scoop, no articles read, just a sense that we have seen this movie before and he walks and we get squat. I do not think we can trust Framber for another 30 start year. Bottom line to all of this is when do we rebuild versus retool. As a fan I am hoping that we just retool a little and run out our cast of usual characters next year. Having said that it would not surprise me that Crane does some crazy stuff this winter. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 9:46:23 GMT -6
Just remember when talking about extending Tucker for crazy money: Postseasons with an OPS over .750: 1 .237/.315/.389 postseason career rates So, on par with the Killer B’s? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 9:50:10 GMT -6
1. Do you make Altuve and Bregman Astros for life, if so get it done. 2. Sign Tucker to a long term deal or trade him. 3. Find a starting catcher so we have a 1A and a 1B situation so we can work Diaz into first base. 4. Figure out what happened to Pena in the second half of the year. 5. Sign Montgomery and trade Framber. 6. Convert Brown to a multiple inning reliever. 7. Figure out what the hell happened mid season that caused our pitching to fall off of a cliff. 8. One more solid reliever We'll have to deal with Altuve's atrocious defense a while longer. This isn’t talked about enough. He’s a fantastic hitter and a franchise icon, but the defense needs to be addressed at some point. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 25, 2023 10:53:55 GMT -6
1. There is no replacement for either. Altuve is obvious, so let me talk about Bregman for a minute, since a bunch of people are down on him since he didn't maintain his 8 WAR dominance from 2018-2019. From 2020 to present, he's been the fifth best 3B in all of baseball by WAR, even with injuries and with his fall off from his career years. Only Ramirez, Machado, Riley, and Arenado have been better. Three of those guys are in the NL. Bregman has literally been the second-best at his position in the league over the last four seasons. We have nothing internal that can even come close. There are no free agents that come close. If you don't resign him, you will be facing a major decline at that position. 2. I honestly think they have to resign Tucker now that they traded Gilbert. They will not be able to assemble a great outfield long-term if they don't. There's just not enough internally anymore. Maybe Melton is a solid everyday guy. I hope so. Tucker has two years left, and Chas only has three (he's been around longer than most remember). 3. Diaz needs to be playing C 4-5 times a week. He's a good receiver with a great arm. I don't think we need to spend resources on someone to take experience and playing time away from him. 4. Pena's year was weird. He hit six home runs in April, 2 in May, 1 in June, 1 on July 5th, and that was it. Despite that, his best month was August, when he hit .333/.426/.455...but no long balls. I honestly think he was better overall at the plate, but he needs to find the power again without the improvements to walk and strikeout rates he made vanishing in the process. 5. Yes. 6. No. 7. The great mystery that needs answering. 8. Need more than one. Stanek and Neris are gone (good). Maton is gone as well. Why do you hate Neris so much? Dude was nails when we needed him, and that’s saying a lot compared to the other clowns on the roster. I don't hate Neris...just like I didn't hate Montero. But Montero pitched above his head in 2022 and most everyone was convinced he was a dude. They gave him a big contract and it blew up on them. I don't want them to repeat that with Neris. Do you want them to give a big extension to an old reliever who's numbers all regressed this year? His strikeout rate went down, his walk rate went up, he stranded 90% of baserunners (12% higher than his career), he lost almost 1.5 MPH off his fastball. There is basically not a single indicator I can find to make me believe he isn't a bomb waiting to go off. He's going to command at least two years, $20 million, and could get more. You want us to match or exceed that? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 10:59:45 GMT -6
I never say this but the team really needs a boost in confidence. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a team look so routinely defeated early in games like this 2023 squad. Sure, there have been outliers like Tucker vs. Bautista and Altuve vs. Leclerc, but generally it’s been a fight for one or two innings and nothing the rest of the way. I guess we can give them credit for winning the division, but this team was just not impressive overall.
Let this be a lesson to Crane not to rest on your laurels and ignore the progress of your division rivals. The Mariners have enough pitching to beat them down, and the Rangers are likely the new world champions.
Be aggressive in the offseason and don’t expect a ticker tape parade for a Brantley or Montero re-signing. Without draft penalty, there’s no excuse not to spend more.
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Post by paastrosfan on Oct 25, 2023 11:26:13 GMT -6
Why do you hate Neris so much? Dude was nails when we needed him, and that’s saying a lot compared to the other clowns on the roster. I don't hate Neris...just like I didn't hate Montero. But Montero pitched above his head in 2022 and most everyone was convinced he was a dude. They gave him a big contract and it blew up on them. I don't want them to repeat that with Neris. Do you want them to give a big extension to an old reliever who's numbers all regressed this year? His strikeout rate went down, his walk rate went up, he stranded 90% of baserunners (12% higher than his career), he lost almost 1.5 MPH off his fastball. There is basically not a single indicator I can find to make me believe he isn't a bomb waiting to go off. He's going to command at least two years, $20 million, and could get more. You want us to match or exceed that? When the Phillies cut Neris loose, I was surprised the Stros scooped him up at that point in his career. But you never know with relievers some of them have nine lives. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 11:47:39 GMT -6
Why do you hate Neris so much? Dude was nails when we needed him, and that’s saying a lot compared to the other clowns on the roster. I don't hate Neris...just like I didn't hate Montero. But Montero pitched above his head in 2022 and most everyone was convinced he was a dude. They gave him a big contract and it blew up on them. I don't want them to repeat that with Neris. Do you want them to give a big extension to an old reliever whose numbers all regressed this year? His strikeout rate went down, his walk rate went up, he stranded 90% of baserunners (12% higher than his career), he lost almost 1.5 MPH off his fastball. There is basically not a single indicator I can find to make me believe he isn't a bomb waiting to go off. He's going to command at least two years, $20 million, and could get more. You want us to match or exceed that? If you don’t re-sign him, who do you go with instead? You can’t just get rid of someone without a feasible backup option. Abreu and Pressly can’t pitch 100 games a year. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 25, 2023 13:31:48 GMT -6
I don't hate Neris...just like I didn't hate Montero. But Montero pitched above his head in 2022 and most everyone was convinced he was a dude. They gave him a big contract and it blew up on them. I don't want them to repeat that with Neris. Do you want them to give a big extension to an old reliever whose numbers all regressed this year? His strikeout rate went down, his walk rate went up, he stranded 90% of baserunners (12% higher than his career), he lost almost 1.5 MPH off his fastball. There is basically not a single indicator I can find to make me believe he isn't a bomb waiting to go off. He's going to command at least two years, $20 million, and could get more. You want us to match or exceed that? If you don’t re-sign him, who do you go with instead? You can’t just get rid of someone without a feasible backup option. Abreu and Pressly can’t pitch 100 games a year. The reliever market is pretty healthy, even after the crazy expensive guys like Hader. Honestly though, I'd love for them to try something unusual. Use McCullers and Urquidy out of the pen, with Brown and France in the rotation, for a month, then swap them the next. Preserve all of the arms while needing fewer one-inning guys who are gassed after 25-30 pitches. Right now we have JV, Framber, Javier, Brown, France, Urquidy, McCullers, and Garcia. If everyone gets healthy at some point, something has to give. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 25, 2023 13:33:07 GMT -6
I don't hate Neris...just like I didn't hate Montero. But Montero pitched above his head in 2022 and most everyone was convinced he was a dude. They gave him a big contract and it blew up on them. I don't want them to repeat that with Neris. Do you want them to give a big extension to an old reliever whose numbers all regressed this year? His strikeout rate went down, his walk rate went up, he stranded 90% of baserunners (12% higher than his career), he lost almost 1.5 MPH off his fastball. There is basically not a single indicator I can find to make me believe he isn't a bomb waiting to go off. He's going to command at least two years, $20 million, and could get more. You want us to match or exceed that? If you don’t re-sign him, who do you go with instead? You can’t just get rid of someone without a feasible backup option. Abreu and Pressly can’t pitch 100 games a year. Did Abreu and Pressly regress? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 25, 2023 14:44:19 GMT -6
view.mail.mlblists.com/messages/1698249708752bb387ef02dc2/raw"Dana Brown, who was hired as GM just before Spring Training, will have a say in who’s in the manager’s chair, but owner Jim Crane and Jeff Bagwell, the team’s senior advisor to ownership and baseball operations, will oversee finding the next Astros skipper."Good grief.
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 25, 2023 14:52:04 GMT -6
Astros claimed Oliver Ortega, nice bullpen depth guy with serious stuff to work with.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 25, 2023 15:07:10 GMT -6
view.mail.mlblists.com/messages/1698249708752bb387ef02dc2/raw"Dana Brown, who was hired as GM just before Spring Training, will have a say in who’s in the manager’s chair, but owner Jim Crane and Jeff Bagwell, the team’s senior advisor to ownership and baseball operations, will oversee finding the next Astros skipper."Good grief. With this revelation, my money's on Ausmus. Manager search will probably resemble the one in 2009 when each out of McLane (Acta) Smith (Garner) and Wade (Mills) favored a candidate. At least Bagwell's position with the club has a title now |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 15:25:34 GMT -6
view.mail.mlblists.com/messages/1698249708752bb387ef02dc2/raw"Dana Brown, who was hired as GM just before Spring Training, will have a say in who’s in the manager’s chair, but owner Jim Crane and Jeff Bagwell, the team’s senior advisor to ownership and baseball operations, will oversee finding the next Astros skipper."Good grief. With this revelation, my money's on Ausmus. Manager search will probably resemble the one in 2009 when each out of McLane (Acta) Smith (Garner) and Wade (Mills) favored a candidate. At least Bagwell's position with the club has a title now Crane can do whatever he wants, but why on earth give Bagwell so much power? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 25, 2023 15:45:42 GMT -6
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talshill
Arbitration Eligible
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Post by talshill on Oct 25, 2023 15:51:30 GMT -6
Wait, has Dusty definitively said he’s not coming back? I get that it’s 99% certain, but why would anyone release information like that before the old manager has “retired”. Sketch website?
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 25, 2023 16:26:41 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Oct 25, 2023 17:01:22 GMT -6
Just remember when talking about extending Tucker for crazy money: Postseasons with an OPS over .750: 1 .237/.315/.389 postseason career rates So, on par with the Killer B’s? And neither of them got more than 5 years. Just saying. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 25, 2023 17:04:19 GMT -6
I don't know why people complain about Bagwell. All we know is that he played a part in bringing in Abreu. Why don't we give the FO a chance to work together on a full off-season before we b*tch and moan about them.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 25, 2023 18:01:59 GMT -6
I don't know why people complain about Bagwell. All we know is that he played a part in bringing in Abreu. Why don't we give the FO a chance to work together on a full off-season before we b*tch and moan about them. I think Tim said it best. Being a franchise icon, it's difficult to hold him accountable if he does a poor job |
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talshill
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Post by talshill on Oct 25, 2023 18:08:09 GMT -6
I don't know why people complain about Bagwell. All we know is that he played a part in bringing in Abreu. Why don't we give the FO a chance to work together on a full off-season before we b*tch and moan about them. I’m not sure what Bagwell’s duties are or how much he influences anything, but your post is unacceptable. How dare you try to be reasonable. Overreaction is the new meta. Get with the program. Now onto the regularly scheduled hot takes and knee-jerk reactions we need. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 19:07:05 GMT -6
So, on par with the Killer B’s? And neither of them got more than 5 years. Just saying. Times were different then. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 19:09:14 GMT -6
I don't know why people complain about Bagwell. All we know is that he played a part in bringing in Abreu. Why don't we give the FO a chance to work together on a full off-season before we b*tch and moan about them. He also brought back Montero. It’s not really about Bagwell anyway. It’s more about the fear of another GM having friction with Crane. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 25, 2023 19:54:56 GMT -6
I don't know why people complain about Bagwell. All we know is that he played a part in bringing in Abreu. Why don't we give the FO a chance to work together on a full off-season before we b*tch and moan about them. I think Tim said it best. Being a franchise icon, it's difficult to hold him accountable if he does a poor job By Crane or the fans? Crane just says that Bagwell is moving into an advisor role for the team yada yada. Fans as a group are dumb either way. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 25, 2023 19:56:41 GMT -6
I don't know why people complain about Bagwell. All we know is that he played a part in bringing in Abreu. Why don't we give the FO a chance to work together on a full off-season before we b*tch and moan about them. He also brought back Montero. It’s not really about Bagwell anyway. It’s more about the fear of another GM having friction with Crane. I don't recall Bagwell having any involvement in that. Crane made that move early. In either case, Abreu was helpful down the stretch and in the postseason when he got healthy. I have high hopes that he'll be much better next year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 25, 2023 19:58:44 GMT -6
He also brought back Montero. It’s not really about Bagwell anyway. It’s more about the fear of another GM having friction with Crane. I don't recall Bagwell having any involvement in that. Crane made that move early. In either case, Abreu was helpful down the stretch and in the postseason when he got healthy. I have high hopes that he'll be much better next year. If Dana Brown can be free to perform his duties, then it doesn’t matter. |
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