marshall
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Post by marshall on Jun 15, 2018 11:22:16 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 15, 2018 11:29:40 GMT -6
I've seen several complaints about the editing function. I'll see if I can get that fixed today. I increased the amount of time you have to edit a post. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jun 15, 2018 12:09:16 GMT -6
I smell another JD Martinez twin style here. Looks like Mitch Haniger is Arizona’s J.D. Martinez. Haniger is actually showing some D this season. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 26, 2018 9:52:42 GMT -6
OK so I re-checked the game logs to see how well the Astros fare when Marisnick is in the starting lineup vs not in the starting line up.
The team is:
* 22-13 (.629) when Marisnick starts
* 18-6 (.750) when Marisnick is used as a late-inning defensive replacement
* 12-9 (.571) when Jake doesn't appear at all in a game
It would seem the optimal use for Jake is as a late-inning replacement (this confirms the eye test most of us have used).
I'm a little surprised, though, that "No Jake at All" fails to lead to a rosy outcome.
Of course, any discussion of replacing Jake has to take into account who would replace him and what results that guy is likely to produce.
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Post by Saint on Jun 26, 2018 10:41:37 GMT -6
OK so I re-checked the game logs to see how well the Astros fare when Marisnick is in the starting lineup vs not in the starting line up. The team is: * 22-13 (.629) when Marisnick starts * 18-6 (.750) when Marisnick is used as a late-inning defensive replacement * 12-9 (.571) when Jake doesn't appear at all in a game It would seem the optimal use for Jake is as a late-inning replacement (this confirms the eye test most of us have used). I'm a little surprised, though, that "No Jake at All" fails to lead to a rosy outcome. Of course, any discussion of replacing Jake has to take into account who would replace him and what results that guy is likely to produce. That confirms what most have been saying. He brings good value in certain situations, but shouldn't start. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 26, 2018 10:49:29 GMT -6
Marisnick is more valuable than Giles honestly.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 26, 2018 11:15:00 GMT -6
Marisnick is more valuable than Giles honestly. Guys who rake the field are more valuable than Giles. Giles main value would be to disappear and go somewhere else. Jake is not going to be sent back down as Hinch loves him in the late innings. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 12:18:32 GMT -6
OK so I re-checked the game logs to see how well the Astros fare when Marisnick is in the starting lineup vs not in the starting line up. The team is: * 22-13 (.629) when Marisnick starts * 18-6 (.750) when Marisnick is used as a late-inning defensive replacement * 12-9 (.571) when Jake doesn't appear at all in a game It would seem the optimal use for Jake is as a late-inning replacement (this confirms the eye test most of us have used). I'm a little surprised, though, that "No Jake at All" fails to lead to a rosy outcome. Of course, any discussion of replacing Jake has to take into account who would replace him and what results that guy is likely to produce. That confirms what most have been saying. He brings good value in certain situations, but shouldn't start. Well, no. This doesn't address anything of the sort. The stats he reported do not take into account any performance measures by Joke...only what the final team result was. Joke may have struck out 50% of the ABs he had while playing each role. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 26, 2018 12:31:39 GMT -6
I see where you're coming from, Bortaz. I was going to throw the numbers out there, but then I remembered TL;DR so I thought why bother.
Anyway:
In the Astros' 40 wins with Marisnick in the game, he has hit in 40% of those games. In the Astros' 19 losses where Marisnick was in the game, he has only hit in 26% of those games. So, there does seem to be a correlation between Marisnick hitting and the Astros winning... as one would expect. However he doesn't seem to need to hit very much for the Astros to have a good chance of winning.
Personally, I don't like Marisnick. I think he's a dinosaur from the 2014 season. I'm not defending him. I am just trying to put out some numbers to help us gauge how much he helps or hurts the team.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 12:34:35 GMT -6
Hits are fine, but were any of those hits a benefit to anyone?
Re: TL;DR
Dont change for me, son. You do you.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 26, 2018 13:05:25 GMT -6
I don't like Jake in the starting lineup any time. However, having him to pinch run for guys like Yuli or McCanm in the late innings makes him valuable in that regard. His speed allowed us to win one of the games against KC. He is also a gold glove centerfielder who gets to balls that others can't. If only he could manage to put the ball in play more often. One of my main gripes is that Jake is a terrible bunter. I have to wonder if coaches are working to correct that. A guy with Jake's speed needs to be a good bunter. No excuse for a major league player, especially one with Jake's speed, not being able to bunt proficiently.
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Post by Saint on Jun 26, 2018 13:22:25 GMT -6
That confirms what most have been saying. He brings good value in certain situations, but shouldn't start. Well, no. This doesn't address anything of the sort. The stats he reported do not take into account any performance measures by Joke...only what the final team result was. Joke may have struck out 50% of the ABs he had while playing each role. We wouldn't use his services in bad losing affairs. He would be utilized in close games late for certain situations. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 13:37:03 GMT -6
Again: being "utilized" does not mean he contributed.
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Post by Saint on Jun 26, 2018 13:47:03 GMT -6
You're just afraid to admit he has value when used properly.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 13:57:07 GMT -6
You're just afraid to admit that he is practically worthless and shouldn't be on an MLB team.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 26, 2018 14:26:40 GMT -6
You're just afraid to admit that he is practically worthless and shouldn't be on an MLB team. For him to be worthless, that would mean that is not only a bad hitter but is also incompetent in other areas of the game. He is a gold glove quality outfielder with good speed who is also a good baserunner. His weak hitting aside, he is the best outfielder on the roster. In the last couple of weeks, Jake has been more valuable than Springer. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 14:38:33 GMT -6
A good glove caliber centerfielder whose value is immediately decimated the minute he walks up to the plate, be it as a starter or as 7th inning relief.
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Post by Saint on Jun 26, 2018 14:47:12 GMT -6
You're just afraid to admit that he is practically worthless and shouldn't be on an MLB team. Nonsense. He has value in his normal role. That being said, if we got a real LFer we wouldn't need him at all. Kemp can do his job for cheaper at the point. And if Kemp starts to struggle, Straw can likely be just as good as Marisnick for less money as well. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 26, 2018 15:12:33 GMT -6
A good glove caliber centerfielder whose value is immediately decimated the minute he walks up to the plate, be it as a starter or as 7th inning relief. Most of the time when Jake is used in the late innings is when we are ahead and need defense to help protect the lead OR we need a fast base runner to score the tying or lead run. So, the fact that he is not likely to get an at bat or that an out he could make would not have a direct effect on the game's outcome. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 15:58:14 GMT -6
You're just afraid to admit that he is practically worthless and shouldn't be on an MLB team. Nonsense. He has value in his normal role. That being said, if we got a real LFer we wouldn't need him at all. Kemp can do his job for cheaper at the point. And if Kemp starts to struggle, Straw can likely be just as good as Marisnick for less money as well. His "normal role", that is, the role he's in most of the time, is that of starting 3 to 5 games a week, and striking out, usually, 4 times. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 15:59:05 GMT -6
You're just afraid to admit that he is practically worthless and shouldn't be on an MLB team. For him to be worthless, that would mean that is not only a bad hitter but is also incompetent in other areas of the game. He is a gold glove quality outfielder with good speed who is also a good baserunner. His weak hitting aside, he is the best outfielder on the roster. In the last couple of weeks, Jake has been more valuable than Springer. Note that I said "practically worthless". |
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Post by Saint on Jun 26, 2018 16:09:06 GMT -6
Nonsense. He has value in his normal role. That being said, if we got a real LFer we wouldn't need him at all. Kemp can do his job for cheaper at the point. And if Kemp starts to struggle, Straw can likely be just as good as Marisnick for less money as well. His "normal role", that is, the role he's in most of the time, is that of starting 3 to 5 games a week, and striking out, usually, 4 times. That shouldn't be his normal role though. You know that. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 16:26:44 GMT -6
What "shouldn't be" is meaningless. It's the reality.
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Post by koolade2 on Jun 26, 2018 16:48:28 GMT -6
I thought I read from you guys that Hinch was not an above average player, in fact, was less than average. I am wondering if he is giving Jake the chances he never got while playing.
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Post by Saint on Jun 26, 2018 17:29:24 GMT -6
What "shouldn't be" is meaningless. It's the reality. Calm down, Kung Fu Panda. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 28, 2018 1:08:43 GMT -6
Jake's K% by month:
March/April: 52%
May: 41%
June: 33%
According to my sliderule, he'll hardly be striking out at all come the postseason.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 7:37:23 GMT -6
Despite Jake's recent good game, where he had a great catch and then both a double and a HR, he is not a starting material, nor should he be.
He is a PR, a defensive replacement....There is never going to be a time where I am thinking I am glad Jake is up-to-bat...If Jake gets a hit it should be a confidence builder for his teammates and the opposite for the opposing pitcher, because if Jake can get a hit, so can you...if Jake hits your pitch, well today is not your day....
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 10, 2018 12:40:30 GMT -6
Marisnick was recalled from AAA Fresno about an hour ago. Gerrit Cole was placed on the bereavement list per Brian McTaggart
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 10, 2018 12:41:21 GMT -6
Marisnick was recalled from AAA Fresno about an hour ago. Gerrit Cole was placed on the bereavement list per Brian McTaggart Cole just needs time to get over that run support. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 10, 2018 12:43:27 GMT -6
I don't see any reports of Brandon Crawford on the bereavement list though
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