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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 19, 2018 21:39:59 GMT -6
All of it. People playing out of position, bench players starting, 28yo healthy MVPs resting. They either thought this win was a given or didn't care. It's a silly thing in the end, but a new streak record would have meant something to these guys, I believe. Maybe not. Even if the streak didn’t matter so much them, it’s not like the Mariners are ten games back in the division. These games are still important. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jun 19, 2018 21:41:47 GMT -6
All of it. People playing out of position, bench players starting, 28yo healthy MVPs resting. They either thought this win was a given or didn't care. It's a silly thing in the end, but a new streak record would have meant something to these guys, I believe. Maybe not. Even if the streak didn’t matter so much them, it’s not like the Mariners are ten games back in the division. These games are still important. Especially with a Yankee win. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 19, 2018 21:41:49 GMT -6
What could possibly lead a manager to allow Joke Marisnick bat in that situation? I had anticipated Hinch would allow Kemp to hit and then use Altuve to PH for Jake if it got that far. Who knows what Kemp would have done in that situation but I like Kemp's OBP so would have left him in there and asked him to bunt Reddick over. That would put Josh at 2B and one out. Then let's say Stassi K's and White gets an infield hit. Probably Josh to 3B and that means Altuve comes up with men on the corners. Got to like that situation. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jun 19, 2018 21:43:07 GMT -6
What could possibly lead a manager to allow Joke Marisnick bat in that situation? I had anticipated Hinch would allow Kemp to hit and then use Altuve to PH for Jake if it got that far. Who knows what Kemp would have done in that situation but I like Kemp's OBP so would have left him in there and asked him to bunt Reddick over. That would put Josh at 2B and one out. Then let's say Stassi K's and White gets an infield hit. Probably Josh to 3B and that means Altuve comes up with men on the corners. Got to like that situation. Marwin didn't help by getting thrown out. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 19, 2018 21:47:13 GMT -6
I didn't really see a reason to take Kemp out of the game in the 9th. Kemp has very good numbers against lefties and at that time, Alvarado the lefty was pitching. Kemp hit for an OPS of 1.037 against lefties at Fresno this year and .921 last year. His OPS against lefties is consistently 100 to 200 points higher than it is against righties. So why not let Kemp do his thing and save Altuve for Jake's spot which you know 85% of the time is a bust.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 19, 2018 21:48:14 GMT -6
Folks curse Jake when he had better swings tonight than most of our big guns......What the hell did Correa do when he had the chance? What has Springer done in over a week.......NOTHING. Hinch "rests" the league's best hiiter against one of the toughest lefties in the league which was not a smart move. We need to rest guysm, but, resting Altuve against Snell was just plain dumb. Our normal home offense showed up tonight and we lost. Verlander pitches his ass off to give us a shot and our offense tanks against the Rays who are far from a good team.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 19, 2018 21:51:23 GMT -6
What could possibly lead a manager to allow Joke Marisnick bat in that situation? The same damn thing that allowed him to rest Altuve against Snell.......his damn clipboard. When Jake came up in the 9th, all he had left was McCann. Marwin made an ass of himself and hurt the team by getting ejected. We had to use a player for him that would have been an option in the late innings. Hinch more or less had to leave Jake in to hit. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 19, 2018 21:53:47 GMT -6
Folks curse Jake when he had better swings tonight than most of our big guns......What the hell did Correa do when he had the chance? What has Springer done in over a week.......NOTHING. Hinch "rests" the league's best hiiter against one of the toughest lefties in the league which was not a smart move. We need to rest guysm, but, resting Altuve against Snell was just plain dumb. Our normal home offense showed up tonight and we lost. Verlander pitches his ass off to give us a shot and our offense tanks against the Rays who are far from a good team. I agree with you there Coach. The win streak record would have been something no one could ever take away from this team, regardless of what happens in October. Really would have been nice to have it, and I'd have pulled out all the big guns to make it happen. These scheduled days off are probably scheduled weeks in advance, possibly even in spring training. Those kinds of strategies have to be flexible and respond to needs that arise, like setting a major franchise record. We're not talking about frivolous records like "most consecutive games with three or more doubles" here. If Hinch wants to rest Altuve then fine, but do it against a truly weak team like KCR in a few days. Those guys are without both Jorge Soler and now Kelvin Herrera, so they are about the weakest in MLB. TBR with Snell on the mound is a lot tougher than KCR could ever be this year. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 19, 2018 21:58:09 GMT -6
Folks curse Jake when he had better swings tonight than most of our big guns......What the hell did Correa do when he had the chance? What has Springer done in over a week.......NOTHING. Hinch "rests" the league's best hiiter against one of the toughest lefties in the league which was not a smart move. We need to rest guysm, but, resting Altuve against Snell was just plain dumb. Our normal home offense showed up tonight and we lost. Verlander pitches his ass off to give us a shot and our offense tanks against the Rays who are far from a good team. I agree with you there Coach. The win streak record would have been something no one could ever take away from this team, regardless of what happens in October. Really would have been nice to have it, and I'd have pulled out all the big guns to make it happen. These scheduled days off are probably scheduled weeks in advance, possibly even in spring training. Those kinds of strategies have to be flexible and respond to needs that arise, like setting a major franchise record. We're not talking about frivolous records like "most consecutive games with three or more doubles" here. If Hinch wants to rest Altuve then fine, but do it against a truly weak team like KCR in a few days. Those guys are without both Jorge Soler and now Kelvin Herrera, so they are about the weakest in MLB. TBR with Snell on the mound is a lot tougher than KCR could ever be this year. i wish Altuve had gotten at least three AB's against Snell. I have to believe we may have won this game if that had been the case. Hinch relying on his stats and rest schedules often bites him in the butt and it did tonight. Why in hell does he refuse to rest Springer? I have my opinion as to why Correa is so bad at home, but, I won't post it.  |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 19, 2018 22:55:22 GMT -6
there are those who think Daniella is to Carlos what Yoko was to John
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 19, 2018 22:59:15 GMT -6
there are those who think Daniella is to Carlos what Yoko was to John Count me among them.....she's draining him. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 19, 2018 23:00:17 GMT -6
Altuve's fly ball out to CF had an 88% hit probability. Left the bat at over 105 mph.
Also, Springer's fly ball out in the 7th had a 78% hit probability.
The Ramos single off of Rondon had only a 7% hit probability.
The Hechavarria double off Verlander had only a 23% hit probability.
In that sense, this is one of the unluckiest games the Astros have played this season.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 19, 2018 23:32:07 GMT -6
Altuve's fly ball out to CF had an 88% hit probability. Left the bat at over 105 mph. Also, Springer's fly ball out in the 7th had a 78% hit probability. The Ramos single off of Rondon had only a 7% hit probability. The Hechavarria double off Verlander had only a 23% hit probability. In that sense, this is one of the unluckiest games the Astros have played this season. One thing that I dont' understand about Hinch is his refusal to play "small ball". 6th inning, Bregman on second and Correa on first, nobody out. Game is tied. We have Verlander on the mound and ONE run could win it.........Gurriel is at the plate...Why not use the sac bunt with Yuli to move the runners to second and third with Gartis coming up with one out? Instead, Yuli grounds into a DP. Gattis then hits a fly ball that would have been deep enough to give us the lead.......We fail to score and another good job by Verlander is wasted by our lack of offense. If you have a pitcher like Verlander on the mound and one run could be the difference, you use the sac bunt. How many DP's to we have to hit into in those situatjons before Hinch decides that "bunt" isn't a bad word? |
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Post by olpapa on Jun 20, 2018 4:19:44 GMT -6
Calm your tits. I just said he's not impressing me. Looks like the old White so far...but fatter. I was not impressed with Yuli at 3B. A couple plays he missed Bregman more likely would have made. I don’t understand why it was necessary to play Yuli and Bregman out of position in order to give Altuve a game off. White has played 20 games...175 innings...at 2B at Fresno this year and made only one error in 90 TC. He has only played 9 games at 1B. Why not just plug White in at 2B and leave everyone else at their normal positions, rather than shuffling players around unnecessarily. I saw enough of Yuli at 3B to do me a while. The idea of playing Yuli in LF at some point, as some have suggested, is scary. If Gattis is gone next season Yuli needs to slide into the DH role as he rides off into the sunset of his career. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 20, 2018 4:54:33 GMT -6
Altuve's fly ball out to CF had an 88% hit probability. Left the bat at over 105 mph. Also, Springer's fly ball out in the 7th had a 78% hit probability. The Ramos single off of Rondon had only a 7% hit probability. The Hechavarria double off Verlander had only a 23% hit probability. In that sense, this is one of the unluckiest games the Astros have played this season. One thing that I dont' understand about Hinch is his refusal to play "small ball". 6th inning, Bregman on second and Correa on first, nobody out. Game is tied. We have Verlander on the mound and ONE run could win it.........Gurriel is at the plate...Why not use the sac bunt with Yuli to move the runners to second and third with Gartis coming up with one out? Instead, Yuli grounds into a DP. Gattis then hits a fly ball that would have been deep enough to give us the lead.......We fail to score and another good job by Verlander is wasted by our lack of offense. If you have a pitcher like Verlander on the mound and one run could be the difference, you use the sac bunt. How many DP's to we have to hit into in those situatjons before Hinch decides that "bunt" isn't a bad word? I'm with you there again, Coach. The priority when you're down a run is to tie the game. There's no second chance if you fail to do that. Given the relative strength of the bullpens, the Astros would have a huge advantage over the Rays in an extra inning game. So you play those odds. Perhaps, as someone mentioned at the time, Gurriel just doesn't practice bunting or hasn't done it often in a game situation. I really wouldn't know if he practices it. In my opinion, all 25 men should have a certain amount of regular bunting practice -- even the pitchers ,who might need to bunt in an interleague game or the WS. We were talking just the other day about how Gurriel has one of the higher GIDP% rates on the team. The bunt would have been an excellent way to prevent that from happening. Another good bunt opportunity was with Kemp due to bat in the 9th. We know he's good at bunting, and getting Reddick into scoring position with one out would have been really important. One presumes Kemp would make an out, but at 29.1 ft/sec, he stands a fair shot at beating it out. Even if Stassi made an out in the next AB, it could have only been one out and not two. White has reached base in 3 of his 8 major league PAs this year, which is about in line with his minor league OBP, so we know White stood a fair chance of advancing Reddick to 3B if not bringing him home. And then of course you have the option to bat Altuve in place of Marisnick. Maybe you win and maybe you lose in that situation, but I like the odds better than what actually transpired in the game. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 20, 2018 5:01:10 GMT -6
One thing I would hope from all these unsuccessful strategies (like Gurriel at 3B, or declining to bunt in a traditional bunting situation) is that Luhnow is feeding all this information into the Mission Control Supercomputer so that the same mistakes don't occur in the postseason.
We've already seen that certain bullpen management mistakes in the early season were not repeated, as apparently Hinch and Luhnow learned the applicable lessons. And it's true that sometimes the only way to know what works and what doesn't, is to try it. Let's imagine Yuli had made a couple spectacular plays at 3B in yesterday's game. Maybe then you stick him there more often. Can't know until you try. It's like eating broccoli for the first time.
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Post by marshall on Jun 20, 2018 5:55:18 GMT -6
One thing I would hope from all these unsuccessful strategies (like Gurriel at 3B, or declining to bunt in a traditional bunting situation) is that Luhnow is feeding all this information into the Mission Control Supercomputer so that the same mistakes don't occur in the postseason. We've already seen that certain bullpen management mistakes in the early season were not repeated, as apparently Hinch and Luhnow learned the applicable lessons. And it's true that sometimes the only way to know what works and what doesn't, is to try it. Let's imagine Yuli had made a couple spectacular plays at 3B in yesterday's game. Maybe then you stick him there more often. Can't know until you try. It's like eating broccoli for the first time. I know it may be crazy, but do you think they might be grooming Bregman to take over the super utility role from Marwin? He has experience at 3B and SS already and a few games at 2B and 1B would give them a feel for whether that might be an option. I like him at 3B, but if the power bat we need is only able to handle 1B or 3B, then we have an option. Bregman certainly appears capable of filling the utility role. But we'd find it hard to upgrade his play at 3B. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 20, 2018 6:10:48 GMT -6
One thing I would hope from all these unsuccessful strategies (like Gurriel at 3B, or declining to bunt in a traditional bunting situation) is that Luhnow is feeding all this information into the Mission Control Supercomputer so that the same mistakes don't occur in the postseason. We've already seen that certain bullpen management mistakes in the early season were not repeated, as apparently Hinch and Luhnow learned the applicable lessons. And it's true that sometimes the only way to know what works and what doesn't, is to try it. Let's imagine Yuli had made a couple spectacular plays at 3B in yesterday's game. Maybe then you stick him there more often. Can't know until you try. It's like eating broccoli for the first time. I know it may be crazy, but do you think they might be grooming Bregman to take over the super utility role from Marwin? He has experience at 3B and SS already and a few games at 2B and 1B would give them a feel for whether that might be an option. I like him at 3B, but if the power bat we need is only able to handle 1B or 3B, then we have an option. Bregman certainly appears capable of filling the utility role. But we'd find it hard to upgrade his play at 3B. While it never occurred to me to that the organization might be looking for Bregman to become a super utility player any time in the next five years, I did notice that Colin Moran has an OPS right around .800, just 50 points or so below Bregman. Not too long ago, it was a popular topic of discussion whether Bregman or Moran was "the future" at 3B. Moran's results would suggest that either player would have been a good choice, though Bregman was almost certainly the better one. I see Tyler White as the more likely utility candidate. His on-base skills are impressive, and a far greater-than-average % of his hits are for extra bases. He's a guy who not only gets on base, but is likely to do so with a double, hence brings the possibility to clear the bases of any baserunners. White's plate discipline has improve notably recently. If you combine his high SLG with a low K rate, he will be something awesome. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 20, 2018 6:22:17 GMT -6
Incidentally, I sometimes wonder how much the low minor league salaries affect player nutrition (and hence their weight and overall athleticism). A lot of minor leaguers are earning just one or two thousand dollars a month, and some have kids to support. Hence they are forced to eat a lot of low-quality foods, which can't help but affect their on-field performance. White has been looking chunky recently (in spite of excellent results at Fresno) but I tend to think if he gets a few million bucks a year on the big team, he will start eating better -- kind of like Bregman mentioned with getting a personal chef.
I know a businessman in Vietnam who is building his own soccer team. He has the players living at a secluded sports camp (it was formerly a Buddhist pagoda, one the Buddhist church could no longer afford), cut off from society, and he entirely controls their diet. All organic vegetables and meats, most of it raised on-site. No hormone injections or antibiotics for the animals like we normally find in mass-market/supermarket meats. Everyone reports to the practice field at the same time and does what is asked of him. The result is that his soccer team is obliterating the competition.
Because the sports camp is so far from major cities, the players can't call for a pizza, or even get a cup of ramen noodles (as they often ate in childhood) at a supermarket. No sodas or beer in sight. In America, we might say this is cruel or doesn't respect individual rights. He says, they make a good salary to play on his team, can quit any time they want, and that nothing he is asking of them is cruel or unusual. That in fact, he is protecting their long-term health. He probably is.
Could it work for a baseball team? Maybe, I suppose.
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Post by marshall on Jun 20, 2018 6:38:59 GMT -6
Just another thought, JD Davis has already spent some time at the MLB level and would require a little more time to avoid super two. Any chance they're thinking he could be called up for an extended look this time with Bregman taking over Marwin's role?
They might be concentrating on 2019 for the moment.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2018 7:37:56 GMT -6
You’d figure that Gurriel being a natural 3B would allow him to make better plays than Bregman, but so far he hasn’t impressed.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2018 8:21:09 GMT -6
Leave the playes where they are.........In the words of the late Darrell Royal, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". As for Hinch not using a sac bunt last night when one was called for, there is no excuse for ANY major league player not being able to bunt. If Yuli can't bunt well enough, that is the fault of the manager and coaches for not working with him and the rest on it. They should be able to execute a sac bunt and a suicide squeeze. Jake is probably the worst bunter on the team and one of the worst I've seen. With his speed, there is no excuse for him not being able to bunt.
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 20, 2018 9:31:15 GMT -6
Altuve's fly ball out to CF had an 88% hit probability. Left the bat at over 105 mph. Also, Springer's fly ball out in the 7th had a 78% hit probability. The Ramos single off of Rondon had only a 7% hit probability. The Hechavarria double off Verlander had only a 23% hit probability. In that sense, this is one of the unluckiest games the Astros have played this season. |
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Post by marshall on Jun 20, 2018 11:52:04 GMT -6
Altuve's fly ball out to CF had an 88% hit probability. Left the bat at over 105 mph. Also, Springer's fly ball out in the 7th had a 78% hit probability. The Ramos single off of Rondon had only a 7% hit probability. The Hechavarria double off Verlander had only a 23% hit probability. In that sense, this is one of the unluckiest games the Astros have played this season. AJ - I can win this thing with THREE hands tied behind my back. No Altuve, no Reddick and no Kemp. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2018 12:13:07 GMT -6
Leave the playes where they are.........In the words of the late Darrell Royal, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". As for Hinch not using a sac bunt last night when one was called for, there is no excuse for ANY major league player not being able to bunt. If Yuli can't bunt well enough, that is the fault of the manager and coaches for not working with him and the rest on it. They should be able to execute a sac bunt and a suicide squeeze. Jake is probably the worst bunter on the team and one of the worst I've seen. With his speed, there is no excuse for him not being able to bunt. We can all hope Gurriel knows how to bunt, but it’s highly unlikely. I’m all for bunting; however, if a player doesn’t know how, I’d rather they swing away. Not sending the runners was my real issue. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2018 12:16:17 GMT -6
it's best not to think about it AJ - I can win this thing with THREE hands tied behind my back. No Altuve, no Reddick and no Kemp. The killer instinct Hinch had in the postseason isn’t the same for the regular season. You’ve got to keep rolling and kill off the Mariners. If they were 6 or 7 games back, fine, rest your guys. They were two games back before the game started. That’s not a comfortable lead. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jun 20, 2018 12:18:05 GMT -6
AJ - I can win this thing with THREE hands tied behind my back. No Altuve, no Reddick and no Kemp. The killer instinct Hinch had in the postseason isn’t the same for the regular season. You’ve got to keep rolling and kill off the Mariners. If they were 6 or 7 games back, fine, rest your guys. They were two games back before the game started. That’s not a comfortable lead. You are right about that especially when the Yankees shell shocked the M's last night. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 20, 2018 12:22:28 GMT -6
The killer instinct Hinch had in the postseason isn’t the same for the regular season. You’ve got to keep rolling and kill off the Mariners. If they were 6 or 7 games back, fine, rest your guys. They were two games back before the game started. That’s not a comfortable lead. You are right about that especially when the Yankees shell shocked the M's last night. And this is a Mariners team that went on a relentless run, which took a 12-game streak by the Astros just to get a 2-game lead. The Mariners haven’t been easily beaten since Canó was suspended. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2018 13:17:44 GMT -6
Leave the playes where they are.........In the words of the late Darrell Royal, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". As for Hinch not using a sac bunt last night when one was called for, there is no excuse for ANY major league player not being able to bunt. If Yuli can't bunt well enough, that is the fault of the manager and coaches for not working with him and the rest on it. They should be able to execute a sac bunt and a suicide squeeze. Jake is probably the worst bunter on the team and one of the worst I've seen. With his speed, there is no excuse for him not being able to bunt. We can all hope Gurriel knows how to bunt, but it’s highly unlikely. I’m all for bunting; however, if a player doesn’t know how, I’d rather they swing away. Not sending the runners was my real issue. If we have any players who don't know how to bunt, that is the fault of the coaches. All should be taught to bunt and then execute bunts during batting practice. Failure to execute a sac bunt can cost you a low-scoring game. When you have a starting rotation as good as the Astros, playing for one run in the middle to late innings makes sense. Sometimes, using the sac bunt in the early innings is called for when you have one of your top guys opposing the ace of the staff of the opponent when one run could be the difference in the game. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 20, 2018 13:20:28 GMT -6
You are right about that especially when the Yankees shell shocked the M's last night. And this is a Mariners team that went on a relentless run, which took a 12-game streak bybthe Astros just to get a 2-game lead. The Mariners haven’t been easily beaten since Canó was suspended. The Mariners doing well without Cano can send a mixed message to Cano or about the best makeup for the team. |
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