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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 27, 2018 16:43:41 GMT -6
El Oso Blanco set a team record for RBI in June.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 27, 2018 17:14:06 GMT -6
And there are still 3 days left.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 27, 2018 22:53:21 GMT -6
Gattis has been the big gun in our offense for at least a month. I admit that I was one who wanted them to ger rid of him before he got on this tear. Now, he may belong on the All-Star team
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 27, 2018 22:56:22 GMT -6
A team needs to have the unexpected hero like Gattis to balance out the star who slumps or gets injured (like what George and Correa have done recently, to some extent).
Without Gattis' heroics, I'm afraid the June W/L record would be pretty blah.
Given Gattis' track record of being "on" his game 2 months out of the year and "off" 4 months of the year, though, I'd still like the Astros to have one or two other guys who can DH in the postseason if Gattis should lose his touch.
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2018 7:51:20 GMT -6
30 HR 102 RBI .817 OPS. Pretty nice DH numbers he is on pace for. And having a DH that can catch if needed is awesome.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 28, 2018 11:01:17 GMT -6
Astros are currently in 7th place in the AL in DH WAR at 0.5. Yankees and Mariners lead at 1.4.
I'd have thought Gattis would have created more than 0.5 WAR for the DH position, but then again he hasn't DH'd every day, and he was awful for a good stretch, maybe even created negative WAR in that time.
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2018 11:25:26 GMT -6
Gattis has a WAR of 1.2 so that just shows how bad our DHs have been the rest of the time.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:02:35 GMT -6
Gattis has a WAR of 1.2 so that just shows how bad our DHs have been the rest of the time. Gattis has been awesome in June...and like you said, it is bonus he can be the emergency catcher....but the Astros have minor league that either they can't be protected in the upcoming Rule V Draft or probably will stay blocked, so I am for improving the team, to just give that extra edge going into the playoffs. This will be a contingency plan for Gattis cooling off, someone getting injured...or just a really good match-up situation. I am for getting another DH/1B......just gives the team more fire power and allows players to rest.... |
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2018 12:12:02 GMT -6
Oh I'm all for adding somebody. Although I think we need a real LFer more than a 1B/DH. If they think that's Tucker they need to bring him on up and see what he's got.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 28, 2018 12:18:16 GMT -6
I know most folks are big fans of analytics these days and that is fine. But, I get tired of hearing about WAR, exit velocity. launch angle, hit probabilty, etc.....The game was just as enjoyable.......more so for me......when they just gave us the basics. Now, no move is made unless the sabermetrics say it's the right move. Too many managers......and Hinch takes it to a new level.........manage like robots. Hinch is an excellent manager and his players seem to like playing for him, but, does he ever go by a hunch or what he has seen to make a decision? He probably sleeps with that clipboard.  He keeps using relievers in situations where they fail more often than not. He has a tendency to put one of them who has just been bombed back on the mound as soon as possible. It's almost as if he does it to prove his stats are right. I agree with getting another hitter who could DH, but, I'd rather have one who can play the outfield. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:19:11 GMT -6
Oh I'm all for adding somebody. Although I think we need a real LFer more than a 1B/DH. If they think that's Tucker they need to bring him on up and see what he's got. I think it would be ideal to bring up Tucker soon, so the Astros know what they have before the trade deadline...Tucker could be LF...Marwin super utility....but if Tucker does make it, Kemp would be the odd man out....Jake would be the late inning replacement. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:20:38 GMT -6
I know most folks are big fans of analytics these days and that is fine. But, I get tired of hearing about WAR, exit velocity. launch angle, hit probabilty, etc.....The game was just as enjoyable.......more so for me......when they just gave us the basics. Now, no move is made unless the sabermetrics say it's the right move. Too many managers......and Hinch takes it to a new level.........manage like robots. Hinch is an excellent manager and his players seem to like playing for him, but, does he ever go by a hunch or what he has seen to make a decision? He probably sleeps with that clipboard. He keeps using relievers in situations where they fail more often than not. He has a tendency to put one of them who has just been bombed back on the mound as soon as possible. It's almost as if he does it to prove his stats are right. I agree with getting another hitter who could DH, but, I'd rather have one who can play the outfield. Luhnow's and Hinch's Sabermetric Astros just won the WS... |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 28, 2018 12:32:55 GMT -6
I don't want to bring up sabermetrics too much... it's just that the stats give so much firepower for bragging about how awesome the Astros are I definitely think there is a place for a manager going with his gut. The sabermetrics only tell us about what happened in the past, but when you are on the practice field with the guys, you know a lot about today... who is hot and who's not, who is overwhelmed with personal problems, who's in la-la land over some girl, who's got a sore back and can't locate his slider... so you have to take all those things into consideration. I bet, exactly some of those kinds of things have produced some of the otherwise head-scratching starting lineups we've seen the last few seasons. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:35:54 GMT -6
I don't want to bring up sabermetrics too much... it's just that the stats give so much firepower for bragging about how awesome the Astros are I definitely think there is a place for a manager going with his gut. The sabermetrics only tell us about what happened in the past, but when you are on the practice field with the guys, you know a lot about today... who is hot and who's not, who is overwhelmed with personal problems, who's in la-la land over some girl, who's got a sore back and can't locate his slider... so you have to take all those things into consideration. I bet, exactly some of those kinds of things have produced some of the otherwise head-scratching starting lineups we've seen the last few seasons. Abandoning the bullpen by Hinch won the WS... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 28, 2018 12:36:33 GMT -6
There's a 97.9% probability that Doug's post will have metrics listed.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:37:06 GMT -6
There's a 97.9% probability that Doug's post will have metrics listed. I will take the over. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 28, 2018 12:37:45 GMT -6
I know most folks are big fans of analytics these days and that is fine. But, I get tired of hearing about WAR, exit velocity. launch angle, hit probabilty, etc.....The game was just as enjoyable.......more so for me......when they just gave us the basics. Now, no move is made unless the sabermetrics say it's the right move. Too many managers......and Hinch takes it to a new level.........manage like robots. Hinch is an excellent manager and his players seem to like playing for him, but, does he ever go by a hunch or what he has seen to make a decision? He probably sleeps with that clipboard. He keeps using relievers in situations where they fail more often than not. He has a tendency to put one of them who has just been bombed back on the mound as soon as possible. It's almost as if he does it to prove his stats are right. I agree with getting another hitter who could DH, but, I'd rather have one who can play the outfield. Luhnow's and Hinch's Sabermetric Astros just won the WS... I realize that, but, and I am not saying sabermetrics are not useful, just that they can be over-emphasized at times. I don't like it when Blum keeps harping on exit velocity, lanch angle, etc. Just my personal preference. The defensive shifts Hinch uses work more often than not. My main point is that I get tired of hearing about all of these stats. I wonder if anyone has ever gone back and figured WAR, etc. for Biggio, Bagwell, and other great players back in the day. I would love to know those stats for Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Clemente, etc. I agree 100% that Hinch "abandoning the bullpen" probably led to us winning the WS. He had the good sense to use Morton, Peacock, and McCullers instead of Giles, Harris, a worn out Devenski plus the two duds Luhonow traded for, Liriano, and Clippard. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:42:27 GMT -6
Luhnow's and Hinch's Sabermetric Astros just won the WS... I realize that, but, and I am not saying sabermetrics are not useful, just that they can be over-emphasized at times. I don't like it when Blum keeps harping on exit velocity, lanch angle, etc. Just my personal preference. The defensive shifts Hinch uses work more often than not. My main point is that I get tired of hearing about all of these stats. I wonder if anyone has ever gone back and figured WAR, etc. for Biggio, Bagwell, and other great players back in the day. I would love to know those stats for Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Clemente, etc. I agree 100% that Hinch "abandoning the bullpen" probably led to us winning the WS. He had the good sense to use Morton, Peacock, and McCullers instead of Giles, Harris, a worn out Devenski plus the two duds Luhonow traded for, Liriano, and Clippard. Those defensive shifts sure seem to work on McCann...if he could just bat the other way... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 12:43:29 GMT -6
I realize that, but, and I am not saying sabermetrics are not useful, just that they can be over-emphasized at times. I don't like it when Blum keeps harping on exit velocity, lanch angle, etc. Just my personal preference. The defensive shifts Hinch uses work more often than not. My main point is that I get tired of hearing about all of these stats. I wonder if anyone has ever gone back and figured WAR, etc. for Biggio, Bagwell, and other great players back in the day. I would love to know those stats for Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Clemente, etc. I agree 100% that Hinch "abandoning the bullpen" probably led to us winning the WS. He had the good sense to use Morton, Peacock, and McCullers instead of Giles, Harris, a worn out Devenski plus the two duds Luhonow traded for, Liriano, and Clippard. Those defensive shifts sure seem to work on McCann...if he could just bat the other way... I am learning as well, not the baseball I grew up playing...but if it is working, and it is, then I am for it...I just will have to learn it.... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 28, 2018 13:07:36 GMT -6
I realize that, but, and I am not saying sabermetrics are not useful, just that they can be over-emphasized at times. I don't like it when Blum keeps harping on exit velocity, lanch angle, etc. Just my personal preference. The defensive shifts Hinch uses work more often than not. My main point is that I get tired of hearing about all of these stats. I wonder if anyone has ever gone back and figured WAR, etc. for Biggio, Bagwell, and other great players back in the day. I would love to know those stats for Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Clemente, etc. I agree 100% that Hinch "abandoning the bullpen" probably led to us winning the WS. He had the good sense to use Morton, Peacock, and McCullers instead of Giles, Harris, a worn out Devenski plus the two duds Luhonow traded for, Liriano, and Clippard. Those defensive shifts sure seem to work on McCann...if he could just bat the other way... We should assume that an experienced hitter like McCann could hit the ball to the left side to beat the shift. The one used against him leaves almost the entire infleld on the left side wide open,yet, he continues to pull the ball into the shift. Even as slow as he is, he could bunt down the third base line and beat it out. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 28, 2018 13:09:37 GMT -6
Those defensive shifts sure seem to work on McCann...if he could just bat the other way... We should assume that an experienced hitter like McCann could hit the ball to the left side to beat the shift. The one used against him leaves almost the entire infleld on the left side wide open,yet, he continues to pull the ball into the shift. Even as slow as he is, he could bunt down the third base line and beat it out. That grounder to basically RF the other day, where he still got beat out, was a shake-my-head moment...how can you be that slow? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 28, 2018 13:34:34 GMT -6
We should assume that an experienced hitter like McCann could hit the ball to the left side to beat the shift. The one used against him leaves almost the entire infleld on the left side wide open,yet, he continues to pull the ball into the shift. Even as slow as he is, he could bunt down the third base line and beat it out. That grounder to basically RF the other day, where he still got beat out, was a shake-my-head moment...how can you be that slow? I thought the same thing.,.....Tony Eusebio could have out-ran him. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 3, 2018 9:31:07 GMT -6
On pace for:
32 HR 105 RBI 64 Runs .821 OPS (129 OPS+)
This would be his best year as an Astro. I'll be very curious to see what type of market there is for him this offseason. I would love to keep him, but unless he signed for a pretty team-friendly contract I don't think we can afford to keep him if we want to try and sign long-term contracts to any other players. I hope he gets something in the range of 2-3 years 18-30 million.
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Post by Saint on Jul 12, 2018 8:12:31 GMT -6
He's been in a mini-slump lately but still on pace for:
31 HR 106 RBI 63 Runs .795 OPS (121 OPS+)
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 12, 2018 11:41:03 GMT -6
He's been in a mini-slump lately but still on pace for: 31 HR 106 RBI 63 Runs .795 OPS (121 OPS+) He just got under the ball too much that was hit to LF.... |
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Post by Saint on Jul 12, 2018 11:48:00 GMT -6
He's been in a mini-slump lately but still on pace for: 31 HR 106 RBI 63 Runs .795 OPS (121 OPS+) He just got under the ball too much that was hit to LF.... Yeah he's had a couple like that recently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 11:52:03 GMT -6
35-40 years ago, I was a stat wonk, and took notebooks and Sporting News issues to the game. I could spout baseball shit, like Sheldon Cooper.
Then an old salty fan in front of me (7th inning or so) at a game asked me.... So how much of this game was watched, and how much buried in that paperwork, or working your brain on useless statistics...... I said nothing..... Wise man.
The game has been much more enjoyable since.
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Post by Saint on Jul 12, 2018 11:53:44 GMT -6
35-40 years ago, I was a stat wonk, and took notebooks and Sporting News issues to the game. I could spout baseball shit, like Sheldon Cooper. The an old salty fan in front of me (7th inning or so) asked me.... So how much of this game was watched, and how much buried in that paperwork, or working your brain on useless statistics...... I said nothing..... Wise man. The game has been much more enjoyable since. Thankfully it's so easy to pull up stats and look at data on phones and computers that you can multi-task and watch the games easier. That being said, I hardly ever look at statistical data when I'm actually at a game. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 13, 2018 9:37:49 GMT -6
Oso Blanco, like my boy Springer, is back in the .240’s again, and that statistic has always bothered me most about him and keeps me from believing in him fully.
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Post by Saint on Jul 13, 2018 10:54:34 GMT -6
Oso Blanco, like my boy Springer, is back in the .240’s again, and that statistic has always bothered me most about him and keeps me from believing in him fully. But that's about his career AVG. He hovers around .250/.300.475. |
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He keeps using relievers in situations where they fail more often than not. He has a tendency to put one of them who has just been bombed back on the mound as soon as possible. It's almost as if he does it to prove his stats are right. 