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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 21, 2018 10:51:24 GMT -6
How much should we be excited about Luhnow’s pursuit of the White Sox first baseman?
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 21, 2018 11:09:00 GMT -6
How much should we be excited about Luhnow’s pursuit of the White Sox first baseman?
to dump payroll like the Tigers did last year, and apparently Abreu's been a real mensch to this kid Moncada they got |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 21, 2018 11:36:16 GMT -6
One reason I think Luhnow's pursuing Abreu, and I never knew this before, is apparently last season Abreu DoorDashed a Cubano spread from a north-side restaurant
to Yuli in the clubhouse during the away series at Chicago. So they know he'd be a good teammate
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 21, 2018 11:47:09 GMT -6
How much should we be excited about Luhnow’s pursuit of the White Sox first baseman?
to dump payroll like the Tigers did last year, and apparently Abreu's been a real mensch to this kid Moncada they gotTucker won't be traded for Abreu or anyone else. Abreu is not a good first baseman,but, that is his only position. If Correa is out for an extended period, acquiring Abreu could play first base, move Yuli to third, and let Bregman play SS.......anything to get the lazy Marwin off the field. I don't think Luhnow gives up a lot of Abreu. It would cost more for Realmuto and catching is a bigger need. Having only Stassi and Federowicz is not a bright outlook. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 21, 2018 13:13:18 GMT -6
One reason I think Luhnow's pursuing Abreu, and I never knew this before, is apparently last season Abreu DoorDashed a Cubano spread from a north-side restaurant
to Yuli in the clubhouse during the away series at Chicago. So they know he'd be a good teammate LOL which straw do you need me to grab for you? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 21, 2018 14:06:58 GMT -6
Abreu only makes sense as a replacement for Gattis next year at this point unless he really gets going.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 21, 2018 14:38:43 GMT -6
1B 94 367 44 92 27 1 13 52 25 76 1 0 .251 .308 .436 .744
1B 89 318 35 95 18 0 13 56 33 55 0 3 .299 .365 .478 .843
Which player you want and I bet one is probably a little cheaper
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Post by Saint on Jul 21, 2018 14:42:29 GMT -6
1B 94 367 44 92 27 1 13 52 25 76 1 0 .251 .308 .436 .744 1B 89 318 35 95 18 0 13 56 33 55 0 3 .299 .365 .478 .843 Which player you want and I bet one is probably a little cheaper What about the rest of their recent seasons? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 21, 2018 14:49:41 GMT -6
1B 94 367 44 92 27 1 13 52 25 76 1 0 .251 .308 .436 .744 1B 89 318 35 95 18 0 13 56 33 55 0 3 .299 .365 .478 .843 Which player you want and I bet one is probably a little cheaper I would be happier with either Jose.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:52:10 GMT -6
1B 94 367 44 92 27 1 13 52 25 76 1 0 .251 .308 .436 .744 1B 89 318 35 95 18 0 13 56 33 55 0 3 .299 .365 .478 .843 Which player you want and I bet one is probably a little cheaper I'll take the guy with 9,436,744,922,711,352,257,610 hits  |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 21, 2018 14:55:46 GMT -6
2017 1B 89 318 35 95 18 0 13 56 33 55 0 3 .299 .365 .478 .843
Two years is all GDP 19 in two years
52 198 26 56 88 10 0 7 28 20 0 39 2 1 .283 .348 .439 .788
His Projections for the rest of the season
I think if they are looking for a reasonable and fix for DH this wouldn't be a terrible trade to make. I also don't think he will cost that much, at least not as much as the other Jose.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 21, 2018 15:00:25 GMT -6
AL 156 621 95 189 343 43 6 33 102 35 6 119 3 0 .304 .354 .552 .906
Other Jose GDP 14 so far this year and 21 last year
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 21, 2018 15:04:20 GMT -6
I'll take the guy with 9,436,744,922,711,352,257,610 hits LOL yes I know which Jose that is cause it isn't either one of these two |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 21, 2018 15:19:07 GMT -6
Abreu only makes sense as a replacement for Gattis next year at this point unless he really gets going. I’d take Abreu over Gattis 11 times out of 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 15:27:28 GMT -6
My concern is that we have Yordan Alvarez coming up. He's struggled a bit in AAA for the few games but I have no doubt he will turn it around as he still has 2 HRs and 4 BBs in 10 games.
He's our next player at 1B. If we got Abreu then Gattis would certainly be gone by next year with Alvarez possibly taking over first and Abreu at DH.
I wonder if the White Sox would ask for Alvarez in exchange for Abreu. In that case I may have a hard time with that as Houston has a ton of young players waiting for a big payday soon (and may have to pony up for Keuchel or get another pitcher to replace him and Morton). Gattis would be the cheaper option to keep in the long run. The question becomes, will keeping Gattis cost us a championship or would paying for Abreu buy us one?
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Post by Saint on Jul 21, 2018 15:51:01 GMT -6
Abreu only makes sense as a replacement for Gattis next year at this point unless he really gets going. I’d take Abreu over Gattis 11 times out of 10. Yeah but you seemed to take most people over most of our current guys until our current guys have hot streaks. 😄 |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 21, 2018 16:14:54 GMT -6
I’d take Abreu over Gattis 11 times out of 10. Yeah but you seemed to take most people over most of our current guys until our current guys have hot streaks. 😄 Are you saying he's fickle? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 21, 2018 16:50:15 GMT -6
My concern is that we have Yordan Alvarez coming up. He's struggled a bit in AAA for the few games but I have no doubt he will turn it around as he still has 2 HRs and 4 BBs in 10 games. He's our next player at 1B. If we got Abreu then Gattis would certainly be gone by next year with Alvarez possibly taking over first and Abreu at DH. I wonder if the White Sox would ask for Alvarez in exchange for Abreu. In that case I may have a hard time with that as Houston has a ton of young players waiting for a big payday soon (and may have to pony up for Keuchel or get another pitcher to replace him and Morton). Gattis would be the cheaper option to keep in the long run. The question becomes, will keeping Gattis cost us a championship or would paying for Abreu buy us one? But what if Yordan Alvarez is the next AJ Reed? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 21, 2018 16:57:32 GMT -6
Yeah but you seemed to take most people over most of our current guys until our current guys have hot streaks. 😄 Are you saying he's fickle? Well...yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 17:06:10 GMT -6
My concern is that we have Yordan Alvarez coming up. He's struggled a bit in AAA for the few games but I have no doubt he will turn it around as he still has 2 HRs and 4 BBs in 10 games. He's our next player at 1B. If we got Abreu then Gattis would certainly be gone by next year with Alvarez possibly taking over first and Abreu at DH. I wonder if the White Sox would ask for Alvarez in exchange for Abreu. In that case I may have a hard time with that as Houston has a ton of young players waiting for a big payday soon (and may have to pony up for Keuchel or get another pitcher to replace him and Morton). Gattis would be the cheaper option to keep in the long run. The question becomes, will keeping Gattis cost us a championship or would paying for Abreu buy us one? But what if Yordan Alvarez is the next AJ Reed? Then we try to sell other teams on that notion and tell them you might as well pick up AJ Reed as he has major league experience
Throw in Giles and we have a deal
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 21, 2018 17:30:24 GMT -6
One reason I think Luhnow's pursuing Abreu, and I never knew this before, is apparently last season Abreu DoorDashed a Cubano spread from a north-side restaurant
to Yuli in the clubhouse during the away series at Chicago. So they know he'd be a good teammate LOL which straw do you need me to grab for you?  |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 22, 2018 7:33:58 GMT -6
Yeah but you seemed to take most people over most of our current guys until our current guys have hot streaks. 😄 Are you saying he's fickle? How dare he? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 22, 2018 7:35:13 GMT -6
I’d take Abreu over Gattis 11 times out of 10. Yeah but you seemed to take most people over most of our current guys until our current guys have hot streaks. 😄 Excuse me, sir, my hate with Gattis is longstanding. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 22, 2018 7:37:12 GMT -6
I stuck by Marwin, but he’s letting me down 😭
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 22, 2018 7:40:27 GMT -6
I posted in the other thread it looks like Abreu is off the market. White Sox want to keep him as a mentor for the younger players coming up. It seems he excels in that department.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 22, 2018 7:44:31 GMT -6
MLB.com's Richard Justice had previously reported that Astros president of baseball operations and general manager Jeff Luhnow was looking to add a big-name bat before the Trade Deadline, and that Abreu was among the players that Houston was exploring.
But the great value that the White Sox reportedly place in Abreu's clubhouse presence, his influence over many of the team's young players and the plethora of top talent in the upper levels of Chicago's Minor League system could have been factors in the organization's inclination to hold on to Abreu, who is under team control through 2019.
July 21: Despite some interest from the Astros, the White Sox appear unlikely to move All-Star first baseman Jose Abreu before the July 31 non-waiver Trade Deadline, according to a report by USA Today's Bob Nightengale.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 22, 2018 7:47:19 GMT -6
Oh well. Could just be posturing, though.
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Post by m240 on Jul 22, 2018 7:57:02 GMT -6
MLB.com's Richard Justice had previously reported that Astros president of baseball operations and general manager Jeff Luhnow was looking to add a big-name bat before the Trade Deadline, and that Abreu was among the players that Houston was exploring. But the great value that the White Sox reportedly place in Abreu's clubhouse presence, his influence over many of the team's young players and the plethora of top talent in the upper levels of Chicago's Minor League system could have been factors in the organization's inclination to hold on to Abreu, who is under team control through 2019. July 21: Despite some interest from the Astros, the White Sox appear unlikely to move All-Star first baseman Jose Abreu before the July 31 non-waiver Trade Deadline, according to a report by USA Today's Bob Nightengale. Bob Nightengale ✔ @bnightengale The Chicago #Whitesox are strongly inclined now to keep 1B Jose Abreu instead of trading him 4:42 PM - Jul 21, 2018 253 113 people are talking about this It seems like Correa spends a lot of time on the dl. If he is not in the line up our offense will suffer greatly unless we can get another bat capable of putting up an OPS of over 800. That is why I moved off of talking about Abreu and started at least turning over a few rocks on Castellanos. He can play (though not well), 3rd, left field and right field as well as dh. Gonzales though can not be given extended numbers of at bats as he clearly does not seem to be up the challenge this year. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 22, 2018 8:09:14 GMT -6
The other bat I mention that everyone wanted to quell right away. 130 wRC+ Here are his numbers against South Paws
.348/.430/.598 in his career).
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Post by marshall on Jul 23, 2018 3:15:21 GMT -6
1B 94 367 44 92 27 1 13 52 25 76 1 0 .251 .308 .436 .744 1B 89 318 35 95 18 0 13 56 33 55 0 3 .299 .365 .478 .843 Which player you want and I bet one is probably a little cheaper What about the rest of their recent seasons? Once you start declining, you never know if that is ancient history or not. I'm suspecting you'll NEVER get that production again. You have to evaluate him based on the recent decline and his age. He's at the age where the decline looks more like typical aging and not a one season aberration. GMs are catching on to the math and less likely to pay a player for past production. Particularly if that production was elsewhere. You want to pay him for future expected production and no more. |
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