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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 8, 2018 15:17:29 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 8, 2018 16:05:23 GMT -6
That was a great article and re-emphasizes the moral that numbers don’t tell you everything. You’ve got to use your eyes and see what a player is all about. It failed when it came to Martinez, but it paid off last season when they aggressively pursued Verlander instead of a guy with better stats like Darvish.
Luhnow isn’t perfect, but he’s closer than most GM’s in baseball.
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Post by Saint on Aug 8, 2018 16:18:41 GMT -6
What was frustrating with JD is that, while he struggled in his final year with us, he put up respectable numbers for his first season's worth of games:
17 HR 88 RBI 62 Runs 27 Doubles .252 AVG .705 OPS (92 OPS+)
His defense wasn't good, but if you offered me a rookie with those above numbers (and he hit .322 with RISP as a rookie) on a rebuilding team, I'd be very pleased. They gave up on him way too fast for a guy that crushed it in the minors. (.328/.389/.542)
For as good as we do growing/improving pitchers, we're the opposite when it comes to growing/improving hitters. We've had a number of prospects that killed it in the minors and never got it going here, or else got it going elsewhere. Villar is another one. Look at his season after we traded him for garbage: 19 HR 63 SB .826 OPS
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 8, 2018 17:33:29 GMT -6
The problem was, he was doing it when the team desperately needed someone...anyone...to perform better than those pedestrian numbers. If we'd been a winning team back then, he'd have been given more time to get right.
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Post by koolade2 on Aug 8, 2018 17:34:34 GMT -6
This was what I was referring too with Springer. Everyone jumps on board saying now 15KT wants to trade him. It is plain as day to me that something is missing in their approach to Players and Hitting compared to Pitching.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 8, 2018 17:36:26 GMT -6
It pleases me to see that you've accepted your nickname, 15KT. <3
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 8, 2018 19:10:11 GMT -6
It pleases me to see that you've accepted your nickname, 15KT. <3 |
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Post by Saint on Aug 8, 2018 20:04:13 GMT -6
The problem was, he was doing it when the team desperately needed someone...anyone...to perform better than those pedestrian numbers. If we'd been a winning team back then, he'd have been given more time to get right. You consider those numbers pedestrian for a first year? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 8, 2018 20:39:50 GMT -6
It pleases me to see that you've accepted your nickname, 15KT. <3 It oozed in. *I apologize, in advance, for picking on 15KT. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 8, 2018 20:50:59 GMT -6
It pleases me to see that you've accepted your nickname, 15KT. <3 Cool it or you’re going to end up not being the moderator around here. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 8, 2018 20:53:02 GMT -6
What was frustrating with JD is that, while he struggled in his final year with us, he put up respectable numbers for his first season's worth of games: 17 HR 88 RBI 62 Runs 27 Doubles .252 AVG .705 OPS (92 OPS+) His defense wasn't good, but if you offered me a rookie with those above numbers (and he hit .322 with RISP as a rookie) on a rebuilding team, I'd be very pleased. They gave up on him way too fast for a guy that crushed it in the minors. (.328/.389/.542) For as good as we do growing/improving pitchers, we're the opposite when it comes to growing/improving hitters. We've had a number of prospects that killed it in the minors and never got it going here, or else got it going elsewhere. Villar is another one. Look at his season after we traded him for garbage: 19 HR 63 SB .826 OPS I understand getting rid of Martinez, but I don’t understand the straight up release. It seemed a little too much like cleaning house just to show people they’re taking some sort of hard line against losing. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 8, 2018 21:20:24 GMT -6
What was frustrating with JD is that, while he struggled in his final year with us, he put up respectable numbers for his first season's worth of games: 17 HR 88 RBI 62 Runs 27 Doubles .252 AVG .705 OPS (92 OPS+) Correct me if I’m wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly JD injured himself in ST or early in his final year and never got it going afterward. I thought he was playing hurt that final season. At the time it happened I couldn’t believe they just released him. Still hard to believe. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 8, 2018 21:34:00 GMT -6
I just checked JD’s transactions on his player page. That final season with Houston he went on the 15-day DL with a sprained knee in April and in July he went on the 15-day DL with a sprained wrist. He was likely hampered by these injuries much of his final season with Houston.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 8, 2018 22:25:18 GMT -6
It pleases me to see that you've accepted your nickname, 15KT. <3 Cool it or you’re going to end up not being the moderator around here. Fanastro will probably ban me. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 9, 2018 7:30:51 GMT -6
What was frustrating with JD is that, while he struggled in his final year with us, he put up respectable numbers for his first season's worth of games: 17 HR 88 RBI 62 Runs 27 Doubles .252 AVG .705 OPS (92 OPS+) Correct me if I’m wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly JD injured himself in ST or early in his final year and never got it going afterward. I thought he was playing hurt that final season. At the time it happened I couldn’t believe they just released him. Still hard to believe. You are correct. |
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