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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 10:51:11 GMT -6
Currently at:
200-122 3.41 ERA (125 ERA+) 2639 Strikeouts 1.168 WHIP 61.5 WAR
Before he becomes a free agent after next season (if healthy) he is on pace for:
217-132 2900 Strikeouts 67 WAR
*ROY
*MVP
*CY (including 5 top-5 finishes so far)
* 7x AS
*ALCS MVP
*WS
Before you jump to your response, some players who are not in the HoF with similar numbers:
Curt Schilling: 216-146 3.46 ERA (127 ERA+) 6x AS WS MVP 79.6 WAR
Mike Mussina: 270-153 3.68 ERA (123 ERA+) 5x AS 7x GG 83 WAR
Kevin Brown: 211-144 3.28 ERA (127 ERA+) 6x AS
Tommy John: 288-231 3.34 ERA (111 ERA+) 4x AS
Bob Welch: 211-146 3.47 ERA (106 ERA+) 1x CY 2x AS 43.8 WAR
Honorable mentions: David Cone, Jimmy Key, Orel Hershiser
If he stays healthy, he should have another couple of solid-good years in him after he becomes a free agent, but nothing is a given in baseball.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 10:56:45 GMT -6
I believe he already is HOF worthy, but I think a few more years in the league will only solidify that more.
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 10:59:57 GMT -6
Schilling and Mussina not being in yet, and Brown not even a candidate anymore is the only reason I ask. I thought surely Schilling would be in by now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 11:03:08 GMT -6
Schilling and Mussina not being in yet, and Brown not even a candidate anymore is the only reason I ask. I thought surely Schilling would be in by now. Valid argument. I wonder if Verlander could event get over 250 wins at this point in his career? |
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 11:05:57 GMT -6
Schilling and Mussina not being in yet, and Brown not even a candidate anymore is the only reason I ask. I thought surely Schilling would be in by now. Valid argument. I wonder if Verlander could event get over 250 wins at this point in his career? If he stays healthy and gets run support, he can do it over 3 more seasons. At some point there will have to be a decline in innings/starts though. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 20, 2018 12:00:05 GMT -6
I heard Kalas say last night that JV wants to try to play for 10 more years.
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 20, 2018 12:04:38 GMT -6
Valid argument. I wonder if Verlander could event get over 250 wins at this point in his career? If he stays healthy and gets run support, he can do it over 3 more seasons. At some point there will have to be a decline in innings/starts though. JV has stayed away from major arm problems that you see around MLB. His good mechanics can keep him plugging, how he can still hit 97 or 98 late in games is ridiculous. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 12:06:54 GMT -6
I heard Kalas say last night that JV wants to try to play for 10 more years. Wow, wants to be the Tom Brady of baseball I guess. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 20, 2018 12:11:52 GMT -6
I heard Kalas say last night that JV wants to try to play for 10 more years. Wow, wants to be the Tom Brady of baseball I guess. Future BP tosser. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 12:16:26 GMT -6
I heard Kalas say last night that JV wants to try to play for 10 more years. Unfortunately teams are getting tighter on keeping older players around if their performance isn't good. I think JV is too much of a competitor to want to keep going if he becomes only an average or below average starter. Something that would be interesting to see with him as he ages, is could he still gas it up for an inning or two and maybe a late inning reliever. That could likely give him a few more seasons when/if he starts to show decline. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 12:17:28 GMT -6
If he stays healthy and gets run support, he can do it over 3 more seasons. At some point there will have to be a decline in innings/starts though. JV has stayed away from major arm problems that you see around MLB. His good mechanics can keep him plugging, how he can still hit 97 or 98 late in games is ridiculous. He seems like a guy that could pitch well in his late-30's, but I can't imagine he'll want to try and hang around like Colon. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 20, 2018 12:24:58 GMT -6
JV has stayed away from major arm problems that you see around MLB. His good mechanics can keep him plugging, how he can still hit 97 or 98 late in games is ridiculous. He seems like a guy that could pitch well in his late-30's, but I can't imagine he'll want to try and hang around like Colon. Yeah, even Nolan knew when to call it quits. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 20, 2018 12:33:20 GMT -6
He seems like a guy that could pitch well in his late-30's, but I can't imagine he'll want to try and hang around like Colon. Yeah, even Nolan knew when to call it quits. LOL no he didn’t. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 20, 2018 12:34:45 GMT -6
I voted “maybe”. You just never know from which side of the bed the voters will end up waking up.
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 12:35:11 GMT -6
Yeah, even Nolan knew when to call it quits. LOL no he didn’t. Sure he did. He retired after he finally had the worst season of his career. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 20, 2018 12:35:14 GMT -6
I also think it’s a joke that Mussina hasn’t been inducted yet.
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 12:39:32 GMT -6
I also think it’s a joke that Mussina hasn’t been inducted yet. How Kevin Brown didn't get enough votes to even make it past one year on the ballot is amazing. Of course, this is the same guy that didn't win the CY despite have an ERA under 2.00 and winning 17 games. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 20, 2018 12:39:46 GMT -6
I also think it’s a joke that Mussina hasn’t been inducted yet. Probably one of his best seasons was his last, Moose is a player that quit on his own terms. Now he has turned into a good basketball coach for a high school outside Williamsport. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 20, 2018 12:40:29 GMT -6
Sure he did. He retired after he finally had the worst season of his career. Well, I guess he and Pete Rose stayed productive even though they probably should’ve retired a couple years prior. They’re kind of anomalies. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 12:41:16 GMT -6
Sure he did. He retired after he finally had the worst season of his career. Well, I guess he and Pete Rose stayed productive even though they probably should’ve retired a couple years prior. They’re kind of anomalies. They weren't all-star caliber, but still productive. They didn't embarrass themselves. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 20, 2018 12:41:21 GMT -6
I also think it’s a joke that Mussina hasn’t been inducted yet. How Kevin Brown didn't get enough votes to even make it past one year on the ballot is amazing. Of course, this is the same guy that didn't win the CY despite have an ERA under 2.00 and winning 17 games. Pudge winning MVP over Pedro was another gyp. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 20, 2018 12:44:01 GMT -6
How Kevin Brown didn't get enough votes to even make it past one year on the ballot is amazing. Of course, this is the same guy that didn't win the CY despite have an ERA under 2.00 and winning 17 games. Pudge winning MVP over Pedro was another gyp. There is only one thing I think about Kevin Brown, 1998. |
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Post by koolade2 on Aug 20, 2018 16:17:31 GMT -6
Schilling and Mussina not being in yet, and Brown not even a candidate anymore is the only reason I ask. I thought surely Schilling would be in by now. Valid argument. I wonder if Verlander could event get over 250 wins at this point in his career? Schilling isn't in because he pissed off all the Crying Liberal voters when he told them to piss off. Not in so many words but it really starting happing before Trump but his support of Trump cost him a job and other stuff. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 20, 2018 17:46:19 GMT -6
Valid argument. I wonder if Verlander could event get over 250 wins at this point in his career? Schilling isn't in because he pissed off all the Crying Liberal voters when he told them to piss off. Not in so many words but it really starting happing before Trump but his support of Trump cost him a job and other stuff. True. That's at least partially it. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 20, 2018 17:48:43 GMT -6
Yeah, even Nolan knew when to call it quits. LOL no he didn’t. He was thinking real hard about retiring on his 50th birthday. If Justin can keep up the 200 strikeout pace, which he should, for another 5 years he will be an automatic with 3000ks. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 20, 2018 17:50:22 GMT -6
Pudge winning MVP over Pedro was another gyp. There is only one thing I think about Kevin Brown, 1998. me too, then the way the whole Padre team folded up like a cheap suit in the WS really chapped my back side. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 20, 2018 18:20:12 GMT -6
Verlander should go in as soon as he is eligible.
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 21, 2018 9:04:43 GMT -6
He was thinking real hard about retiring on his 50th birthday. If Justin can keep up the 200 strikeout pace, which he should, for another 5 years he will be an automatic with 3000ks. JV will probably go the John Smoltz route finishing his career in the pen. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 21, 2018 11:39:23 GMT -6
He was thinking real hard about retiring on his 50th birthday. If Justin can keep up the 200 strikeout pace, which he should, for another 5 years he will be an automatic with 3000ks. JV will probably go the John Smoltz route finishing his career in the pen. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Aug 21, 2018 11:44:08 GMT -6
JV will probably go the John Smoltz route finishing his career in the pen. The last player that I can remember wearing goggles was the Reds third baseman Chris Sabo. With the crew cut. |
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