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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 24, 2018 23:15:25 GMT -6
10 wins for Keuchel and 3-0 with Tuve back. It was a slow climb, but our SP’s all have 10 or more wins, which is still impressive considering the sporadic run support. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2018 23:17:37 GMT -6
Red Dawg with the nice dive! (Man, these jerseys are clownish.) I love these jerseys Like the jerseys.........hate the silly nicknames............Correa is 'I am Groot", whatever that means. I wish they had asked me to pick a nickname to put on his jersey.  Glad to see him hit the home run. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 24, 2018 23:19:59 GMT -6
Did MVP Trout do anything in this game? Tripled off the left field wall in the first inning,but, didn't score.... He isn't the MVP.......Unless something changes, JD Martinez will get it. |
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Post by bearbryant on Aug 25, 2018 4:54:13 GMT -6
By the way...I am a GDT-starting mofo. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 9:26:21 GMT -6
Did MVP Trout do anything in this game? Tripled off the left field wall in the first inning,but, didn't score.... He isn't the MVP.......Unless something changes, JD Martinez will get it. I don't see a DH getting the MVP over Betts or Jose Ramirez. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 9:48:28 GMT -6
Tripled off the left field wall in the first inning,but, didn't score.... He isn't the MVP.......Unless something changes, JD Martinez will get it. I don't see a DH getting the MVP over Betts or Jose Ramirez. The Red Sox had Betts last year and weren't nearly as good as they are now that Martinez is there, JD is definitely the Red Sox MVP. Betts and Ramirez are having great seasons and it should be a close vote. If Martinez doesn't get it,my money would be on Betts. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 9:50:56 GMT -6
I don't see a DH getting the MVP over Betts or Jose Ramirez. The Red Sox had Betts last year and weren't nearly as good as they are now that Martinez is there, JD is definitely the Red Sox MVP. Betts and Ramirez are having great seasons and it should be a close vote. If Martinez doesn't get it,my money would be on Betts. JD would have to play on the field at least half the time to have as much value as Betts or Ramirez. Betts having a down year last year has nothing to do with the fact that he has been awesome this year. And it's not JD being there because Betts was an MVP candidate in 2016. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2018 10:14:22 GMT -6
I agree with Todd. Contributing on defense still has its merits so I can’t see Martinez being more deserving than Betts. If he gets the Triple Crown, that may be different.
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 10:17:55 GMT -6
If Betts wasn't having an awesome year, I'd probably give it to JD over Ramirez since Boston is so damn good.
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2018 10:19:10 GMT -6
If Betts wasn't having an awesome year, I'd probably give it to JD over Ramirez since Boston is so damn good. A triple crown to me would net the award for Martinez. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 10:20:37 GMT -6
If Betts wasn't having an awesome year, I'd probably give it to JD over Ramirez since Boston is so damn good. A triple crown to me would net the award for Martinez. You're passing on a player with gold glove defense and awesome baserunning. Who do you think is scoring those runs for JD? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2018 10:23:45 GMT -6
A triple crown to me would net the award for Martinez. You're passing on a player with gold glove defense and awesome baserunning. Who do you think is scoring those runs for JD? To me, an offensive TC is rare and noteworthy. It’s an accomplishment generally followed by an MVP. Take Miguel Cabrera for instance. He didn’t have as good a season as Mike Trout but won the MVP due to the Triple Crown. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 10:25:30 GMT -6
You're passing on a player with gold glove defense and awesome baserunning. Who do you think is scoring those runs for JD? To me, an offensive TC is rare and noteworthy. It’s an accomplishment generally followed by an MVP. Take Miguel Cabrera for instance. He didn’t have as good a season as Mike Trout but won the MVP due to the Triple Crown. That doesn't mean he deserved it though. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2018 10:29:35 GMT -6
To me, an offensive TC is rare and noteworthy. It’s an accomplishment generally followed by an MVP. Take Miguel Cabrera for instance. He didn’t have as good a season as Mike Trout but won the MVP due to the Triple Crown. That doesn't mean he deserved it though. I’m not going to disagree with that. Just talking probabilities. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 10:55:03 GMT -6
That doesn't mean he deserved it though. I’m not going to disagree with that. Just talking probabilities. Well in that case, yes it's probable JD could win the MVP and I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I'm just saying he isn't the best player in the league or on that team. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 10:56:08 GMT -6
A triple crown to me would net the award for Martinez. You're passing on a player with gold glove defense and awesome baserunning. Who do you think is scoring those runs for JD? Would Betts be scoring all of these runs without JD.............NO. Without JD,odds are they may be another wild card team. Until Trout stays healthy and leads his team to the playoffs, he doesn't deserve to be MVP. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 10:57:04 GMT -6
You're passing on a player with gold glove defense and awesome baserunning. Who do you think is scoring those runs for JD? Would Betts be scoring all of these runs without JD.............NO. Without JD,odds are they may be another wild card team. Yes. He's on base all the time. He'd be scoring a ton of runs without JD. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 10:58:49 GMT -6
Would Betts be scoring all of these runs without JD.............NO. Without JD,odds are they may be another wild card team. Yes. He's on base all the time. He'd be scoring a ton of runs without JD. Really?? Who is going to drive him if JD wasn't there?? |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 10:59:53 GMT -6
Yes. He's on base all the time. He'd be scoring a ton of runs without JD. Really?? Who is going to drive him if JD wasn't there?? Bogaerts, Nintendo, Moreland. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 11:05:06 GMT -6
Really?? Who is going to drive him if JD wasn't there?? Bogaerts, Nintendo, Moreland. Those three guys were there last year and they were a wild card team.........JD added to them and they have a 9-10 game lead in the division and the heavy favorite to finish with the league's best record. JD should be the MVP for that reason. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 11:08:02 GMT -6
Bogaerts, Nintendo, Moreland. Those three guys were there last year and they were a wild card team.........JD added to them and they have a 9-10 game lead in the division and the heavy favorite to finish with the league's best record. JD should be the MVP for that reason. Last year has no bearing on the current year. Arizona didn't do any better than Boston last year when they had JD, so there goes that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 11:36:03 GMT -6
Those three guys were there last year and they were a wild card team.........JD added to them and they have a 9-10 game lead in the division and the heavy favorite to finish with the league's best record. JD should be the MVP for that reason. Last year has no bearing on the current year. Arizona didn't do any better than Boston last year when they had JD, so there goes that. JD was acquired by the D-backs at the trade deadline and was not there for a full season so we don't know what would have happened if he had been with Arizona for a full season. If last year has no bearing on this year, why are the Red Sox running away with the division after signing Martinez when they were a wild card team without him? They had the same guys last year MINUS JD that they have this year with him. So, that tells me that he is the difference in their team. Yep, there goes that.......Arizona only had JD from the end of July until the end of the season. Boston has had him PLUS the exact same lineup as last year for a full season and are clearly the best team in the AL East and have the best record in the league after they signed JD. If JD were injured and not in the lineup, we would see how valuable he is to the Red Sox. That would be much like the Astros were without Altuve. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 11:50:29 GMT -6
Last year has no bearing on the current year. Arizona didn't do any better than Boston last year when they had JD, so there goes that. JD was acquired by the D-backs at the trade deadline and was not there for a full season so we don't know what would have happened if he had been with Arizona for a full season. If last year has no bearing on this year, why are the Red Sox running away with the division after signing Martinez when they were a wild card team without him? They had the same guys last year MINUS JD that they have this year with him. So, that tells me that he is the difference in their team. Yep, there goes that.......Arizona only had JD from the end of July until the end of the season. Boston has had him PLUS the exact same lineup as last year for a full season and are clearly the best team in the AL East and have the best record in the league after they signed JD. If JD were injured and not in the lineup, we would see how valuable he is to the Red Sox. That would be much like the Astros were without Altuve. He was there on the postseason roster and the teams did the same. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 11:59:55 GMT -6
JD was acquired by the D-backs at the trade deadline and was not there for a full season so we don't know what would have happened if he had been with Arizona for a full season. If last year has no bearing on this year, why are the Red Sox running away with the division after signing Martinez when they were a wild card team without him? They had the same guys last year MINUS JD that they have this year with him. So, that tells me that he is the difference in their team. Yep, there goes that.......Arizona only had JD from the end of July until the end of the season. Boston has had him PLUS the exact same lineup as last year for a full season and are clearly the best team in the AL East and have the best record in the league after they signed JD. If JD were injured and not in the lineup, we would see how valuable he is to the Red Sox. That would be much like the Astros were without Altuve. He was there on the postseason roster and the teams did the same. He is hitting much better this season and, as you said, last year has nothing to do with the present. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 12:10:48 GMT -6
He was there on the postseason roster and the teams did the same. He is hitting much better this season and, as you said, last year has nothing to do with the present. ....you've lost me. You brought up last season. Now last season doesn't matter? So you agree Betts is the more valuable player this year? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 25, 2018 12:49:30 GMT -6
Would Betts be scoring all of these runs without JD.............NO. Without JD,odds are they may be another wild card team. Yes. He's on base all the time. He'd be scoring a ton of runs without JD. I get your point about Betts, but let’s not deuce on Martinez’s contributions. Betts isn’t getting singles and stealing three bases all the time, is he? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 13:05:55 GMT -6
He is hitting much better this season and, as you said, last year has nothing to do with the present. ....you've lost me. You brought up last season. Now last season doesn't matter? So you agree Betts is the more valuable player this year? Well, let me see if I can explain so you understand.........LAST YEAR, the Red Sox had Betts, Bogaerts, and Benintendi and won the East (I mistakenly thought they were a wild card team). THIS YEAR, they add JD Martinez to that lineup and are currently 90-40 which is 50 games over .500 with an 8.5 game lead in the AL East. They finished 93-69 last season WITHOUT Martinez. What JD hit with Arizona last season has nothing to do with what he is doing for Boston this season. NO, I don't agree that Betts is the more valuable players this season. True, that JD is a DH and Betts is a great outfielder. He was a great outfielder last year, too.......but without JD in the lineup. JD makes the Red Sox a legiitimate threat to win the WS because he provides the home runs and runs batted in that the Red Sox didn't have after David Ortiz retired and before JD arrived. I would give the MVP to JD Martinez. Without JD, the Red Sox are probably in a down-to-the-wire race with the Yankees for the division title instead of pretty much having it locked up before the beginning of September unless they collapse. As I said earlier, If JD is injured and has to be out of the lineup, we would see what Betts does without him. I am not taking anything away from Mookie, but, the Red Sox are an entirely different team with Martinez. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 15:29:18 GMT -6
....you've lost me. You brought up last season. Now last season doesn't matter? So you agree Betts is the more valuable player this year? Well, let me see if I can explain so you understand.........LAST YEAR, the Red Sox had Betts, Bogaerts, and Benintendi and won the East (I mistakenly thought they were a wild card team). THIS YEAR, they add JD Martinez to that lineup and are currently 90-40 which is 50 games over .500 with an 8.5 game lead in the AL East. They finished 93-69 last season WITHOUT Martinez. What JD hit with Arizona last season has nothing to do with what he is doing for Boston this season. NO, I don't agree that Betts is the more valuable players this season. True, that JD is a DH and Betts is a great outfielder. He was a great outfielder last year, too.......but without JD in the lineup. JD makes the Red Sox a legiitimate threat to win the WS because he provides the home runs and runs batted in that the Red Sox didn't have after David Ortiz retired and before JD arrived. I would give the MVP to JD Martinez. Without JD, the Red Sox are probably in a down-to-the-wire race with the Yankees for the division title instead of pretty much having it locked up before the beginning of September unless they collapse. As I said earlier, If JD is injured and has to be out of the lineup, we would see what Betts does without him. I am not taking anything away from Mookie, but, the Red Sox are an entirely different team with Martinez. I'm sorry, you can't say last year doesn't matter then talk about last year in your argument. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 25, 2018 16:51:15 GMT -6
Well, let me see if I can explain so you understand.........LAST YEAR, the Red Sox had Betts, Bogaerts, and Benintendi and won the East (I mistakenly thought they were a wild card team). THIS YEAR, they add JD Martinez to that lineup and are currently 90-40 which is 50 games over .500 with an 8.5 game lead in the AL East. They finished 93-69 last season WITHOUT Martinez. What JD hit with Arizona last season has nothing to do with what he is doing for Boston this season. NO, I don't agree that Betts is the more valuable players this season. True, that JD is a DH and Betts is a great outfielder. He was a great outfielder last year, too.......but without JD in the lineup. JD makes the Red Sox a legiitimate threat to win the WS because he provides the home runs and runs batted in that the Red Sox didn't have after David Ortiz retired and before JD arrived. I would give the MVP to JD Martinez. Without JD, the Red Sox are probably in a down-to-the-wire race with the Yankees for the division title instead of pretty much having it locked up before the beginning of September unless they collapse. As I said earlier, If JD is injured and has to be out of the lineup, we would see what Betts does without him. I am not taking anything away from Mookie, but, the Red Sox are an entirely different team with Martinez. I'm sorry, you can't say last year doesn't matter then talk about last year in your argument. Oh, I think I can since I've shown the difference between the Red Sox LAST YEAR without Martinez and THIS YEAR with him in the lineup. We are not voting for this year's MVP based on what JD did or did not do last year in Arizona. You tried to say that what he did as a D-back last season has something to do with the AL MVP vote this season......that dog won't hunt. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 25, 2018 17:23:53 GMT -6
I'm sorry, you can't say last year doesn't matter then talk about last year in your argument. Oh, I think I can since I've shown the difference between the Red Sox LAST YEAR without Martinez and THIS YEAR with him in the lineup. We are not voting for this year's MVP based on what JD did or did not do last year in Arizona. You tried to say that what he did as a D-back last season has something to do with the AL MVP vote this season......that dog won't hunt. I've lost interest. You can't even stick to your own rules in the debate. |
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Glad to see him hit the home run.
