Correa

[blcoach8]

Sept 14, 2018 13:14:43 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Sept 14, 2018 12:39:49 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

No, not in this instance, it is how many ever ABs it takes Correa to get it together before playoff time.  Unless he is injured, keep trotting him out there in heart of the order....I believe in Correa...I should have Springer....learned my lesson....I am not abandoning ship this time...

There is a huge difference between Springer in the playoffs last fall and Correa since he has returned from the DL. Springer batted .412 (7-17) in the ALDS before going 3-29 in the ALCS followed by 0-4 in game 1 of the WS. Springer had been in a 8-game slump over the course of 11 days when he broke loose in the WS. Prior to those 8 games/11 days, he had been red hot. Correa has been in a slump now for his last 29 games over the course of more than a month and over 100 ABs. Springer was healthy. I’m inclined to believe that Correa is not. IMO the circumstances involved with their slumps is not comparable. Correa is getting worse with more playing time.., not better. His BA, Slg Pct and OPS are all down in September from the already meager numbers he posted in August. I don’t see any reason to think he is going to get better if AJ just keeps running him out there every day and pretending that everything is ok. 

If he still has a back issue, in addition to effecting his swing it should be effecting his ability to bend  and field ground balls. The back doesn't seem to still be effecting his defense.  Since there is no indicatiion that  he will be taken out of the lineup or dropped in the order, I suppose we are supposed to believe he is healthy and just needs more AB's . According to our count, he has 104 AB's since returning. He has 17 hits, onoy 3 for extra bases.  These are not the numbers that we need from a middle of the order bat.  Springer had an extended slump, has been out due to a thumb injury, but, he seems to be rounding back into form. Altuve was on the DL with a knee injury and was slow to start hitting when he returned, but he also seems to be back to normal.  On the other hand, Correa has had more AB's than either of those two had before coming around and still shows no signs of having things worked out.  We have all seen what he does time and again at the plate and doesn't seem to be making any attempt to do things differently.  I certainly am no authority on back injuries or any other type. Is it probable that a lingering back issue could effect his swing while not effecting his ability to play defense?  If  the back is stll bothering him, he should not be playing.  In any case, he is not performing anywhere close to his abilities,.  When healthy and himself, Carlos Correa is one of the top 10 players in the game.  We need that version of Carlos Correa.

He should at least be moved down in the order for the time being.

[olpapa]

Sept 14, 2018 13:43:20 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Sept 14, 2018 13:14:43 GMT -6 olpapa said:

There is a huge difference between Springer in the playoffs last fall and Correa since he has returned from the DL. Springer batted .412 (7-17) in the ALDS before going 3-29 in the ALCS followed by 0-4 in game 1 of the WS. Springer had been in a 8-game slump over the course of 11 days when he broke loose in the WS. Prior to those 8 games/11 days, he had been red hot. Correa has been in a slump now for his last 29 games over the course of more than a month and over 100 ABs. Springer was healthy. I’m inclined to believe that Correa is not. IMO the circumstances involved with their slumps is not comparable. Correa is getting worse with more playing time.., not better. His BA, Slg Pct and OPS are all down in September from the already meager numbers he posted in August. I don’t see any reason to think he is going to get better if AJ just keeps running him out there every day and pretending that everything is ok. 

Is it probable that a lingering back issue could effect his swing while not effecting his ability to play defense?

Yes. It is entirely possible that he is experiencing issues with his back that affect his ability to swing the bat, but does not affect his ability to field his position as much. For example.., I am having issues with my lower back right now and am receiving adjustments twice a week. I can bend over and pick things up without pain. If I twist my body at the waist to reach for something to my left, I am good. If; however, I twist my body at the waist to reach for something to my right it is very painful. If Correa has a similar condition, he should have no problem reaching down to field a ground ball/catch a low throw or reach up to catch a flyball or a high throw.Making a throw to first shouldn’t be a problem as long as he isn’t in an odd position that would require him to twist a lot at the waist. On the other hand, if he tries to swing the bat, the resulting twist at the waist could be very painful.

[blcoach8]

Sept 14, 2018 14:17:36 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Sept 14, 2018 13:43:20 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Is it probable that a lingering back issue could effect his swing while not effecting his ability to play defense?

Yes. It is entirely possible that he is experiencing issues with his back that affect his ability to swing the bat, but does not affect his ability to field his position as much. For example.., I am having issues with my lower back right now and am receiving adjustments twice a week. I can bend over and pick things up without pain. If I twist my body at the waist to reach for something to my left, I am good. If; however, I twist my body at the waist to reach for something to my right it is very painful. If Correa has a similar condition, he should have no problem reaching down to field a ground ball/catch a low throw or reach up to catch a flyball or a high throw.Making a throw to first shouldn’t be a problem as long as he isn’t in an odd position that would require him to twist a lot at the waist. On the other hand, if he tries to swing the bat, the resulting twist at the waist could be very painful.

That makes sense.  We could keep him at SS without having him hit in the middle of the order. He is killing the offense hitting 4 or 5.

[thomasj13]

Sept 14, 2018 13:14:43 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Sept 14, 2018 12:39:49 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

No, not in this instance, it is how many ever ABs it takes Correa to get it together before playoff time.  Unless he is injured, keep trotting him out there in heart of the order....I believe in Correa...I should have Springer....learned my lesson....I am not abandoning ship this time...

There is a huge difference between Springer in the playoffs last fall and Correa since he has returned from the DL. Springer batted .412 (7-17) in the ALDS before going 3-29 in the ALCS followed by 0-4 in game 1 of the WS. Springer had been in a 8-game slump over the course of 11 days when he broke loose in the WS. Prior to those 8 games/11 days, he had been red hot. Correa has been in a slump now for his last 29 games over the course of more than a month and over 100 ABs. Springer was healthy. I’m inclined to believe that Correa is not. IMO the circumstances involved with their slumps is not comparable. Correa is getting worse with more playing time.., not better. His BA, Slg Pct and OPS are all down in September from the already meager numbers he posted in August. I don’t see any reason to think he is going to get better if AJ just keeps running him out there every day and pretending that everything is ok. 

I stand by this....if he is hurt, rest him....we need him for the playoffs....if he is battling soreness and just trying to get back into the swing of things, then he is in the heart of the order....I believe in Correa...

[olpapa]

I can tell this much for sure..., if he is having issues with his back similar to what I am having, rest will help. Playing every day will not help.

[blcoach8]

Sept 14, 2018 15:03:57 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

Sept 14, 2018 13:14:43 GMT -6 olpapa said:

There is a huge difference between Springer in the playoffs last fall and Correa since he has returned from the DL. Springer batted .412 (7-17) in the ALDS before going 3-29 in the ALCS followed by 0-4 in game 1 of the WS. Springer had been in a 8-game slump over the course of 11 days when he broke loose in the WS. Prior to those 8 games/11 days, he had been red hot. Correa has been in a slump now for his last 29 games over the course of more than a month and over 100 ABs. Springer was healthy. I’m inclined to believe that Correa is not. IMO the circumstances involved with their slumps is not comparable. Correa is getting worse with more playing time.., not better. His BA, Slg Pct and OPS are all down in September from the already meager numbers he posted in August. I don’t see any reason to think he is going to get better if AJ just keeps running him out there every day and pretending that everything is ok. 

I stand by this....if he is hurt, rest him....we need him for the playoffs....if he is battling soreness and just trying to get back into the swing of things, then he is in the heart of the order....I believe in Correa...

Why do you object to him being moved down in the order until he starts hitting again?  As he is now, I can't see keeping him in the middle of the order. If he hits like he's capable he definitely belongs in the middle of the order.

[thomasj13]

Sept 14, 2018 15:25:25 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Sept 14, 2018 15:03:57 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

I stand by this....if he is hurt, rest him....we need him for the playoffs....if he is battling soreness and just trying to get back into the swing of things, then he is in the heart of the order....I believe in Correa...

Why do you object to him being moved down in the order until he starts hitting again?  As he is now, I can't see keeping him in the middle of the order. If he hits like he's capable he definitely belongs in the middle of the order.

B/C to me he is definitely heart of the order type of guy...he has proven to be a good contact hitter, with good power....I expect him to break out of this funk......I wouldn't put Stassi/Maldonado/McCann, Marisnick, Marwin, Reddick, Gattis in front of him in the order...maybe the 5 hole at the furthest back, but nothing later than that.

[olpapa]

Sept 14, 2018 16:38:02 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

Sept 14, 2018 15:25:25 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Why do you object to him being moved down in the order until he starts hitting again?  As he is now, I can't see keeping him in the middle of the order. If he hits like he's capable he definitely belongs in the middle of the order.

B/C to me he is definitely heart of the order type of guy...he has proven to be a good contact hitter, with good power....I expect him to break out of this funk......I wouldn't put Stassi/Maldonado/McCann, Marisnick, Marwin, Reddick, Gattis in front of him in the order...maybe the 5 hole at the furthest back, but nothing later than that.

Of that group right now I would definitely put Marwin ahead of him. Probably Gattis too. Maybe even Maldonado. Put the rest of them (including Correa) in a sack, shake them up and pour them out, and you couldn’t tell much difference.

[thomasj13]

Sept 14, 2018 17:06:47 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Sept 14, 2018 16:38:02 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

B/C to me he is definitely heart of the order type of guy...he has proven to be a good contact hitter, with good power....I expect him to break out of this funk......I wouldn't put Stassi/Maldonado/McCann, Marisnick, Marwin, Reddick, Gattis in front of him in the order...maybe the 5 hole at the furthest back, but nothing later than that.

Of that group right now I would definitely put Marwin ahead of him. Probably Gattis too. Maybe even Maldonado. Put the rest of them (including Correa) in a sack, shake them up and pour them out, and you couldn’t tell much difference.

Well this is one of the few times we don't agree.

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Any thought of shutting him down for the season?

Back nerve, (i.e spinal, sciatic, etc.) and associated muscle function, are among the most debilitating of injuries for an athelete.   

I am surprised he can even make it to the plate.

[blcoach8]

Sept 20, 2018 15:02:55 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Any thought of shutting him down for the season?

Back nerve, (i.e spinal, sciatic, etc.) and associated muscle function, are among the most debilitating of injuries for an athelete.   

I am surprised he can even make it to the plate.

they keep telling us that he's healthy, but, he doesn't look healthy.  He looks stiff and doesn't swing the bat with any authority. Doesn't seem to bother him when he's playing defense but something is not right with him.

[thomasj13]

www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/7045/carlos-correa

Correa's back injury is still lingering.

[abregmanfan]

Sept 21, 2018 15:51:31 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/7045/carlos-correa

Correa's back injury is still lingering.

Not good....

[olpapa]

Sept 21, 2018 16:32:11 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

Sept 21, 2018 15:51:31 GMT -6 thomasj13 said:

www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/7045/carlos-correan

Correa's back injury is still lingering.

Not good....

Hard to believe that they have waited this late in the season to sit Correa out and give his back a chance to heal some before the playoffs. It has been obvious for a while that he isn’t right. 

[blcoach8]

this whole back problem seems to have been mishandled and could mean he won't be available for the post-season

[koolade2]

since they have lied about his back injury so far will he even be ready next year, Seeing as this year the Post Season is in jeopardy.

[bearbryant]

Sept 21, 2018 17:38:41 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

this whole back problem seems to have been mishandled

you're the one who complained about how long his DL stint was

[texassurf]

Hopefully, this is nothing but an excuse to sit him down because he's been very bad at the plate. Blame the back vs dealing with the questions about benching him and all the distractions that would arise in a heated division race.

[bearbryant]

I doubt extra-extra rest for Correa's back would've made him productive for the postseason. There've been a few comments about how debilitating back injuries are
for athletes and how difficult it is to come back from them in the same season. I think he tweaked it playing defense. You never see Correa go to the ground fielding
grounders like lots of shortstops do

[blcoach8]

Since we are being told that Correa is being held out of this Angels series due to back issues, I think we can assume he came back too soon and explains a lot of the reason why his hitting has been terrible.

[unionstation82]

Sept 21, 2018 17:02:17 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Sept 21, 2018 16:32:11 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

Not good....

Hard to believe that they have waited this late in the season to sit Correa out and give his back a chance to heal some before the playoffs. It has been obvious for a while that he isn’t right. 

That’s a significant mistake by the team as a whole.

[olpapa]

Sept 22, 2018 12:49:36 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Sept 21, 2018 17:02:17 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Hard to believe that they have waited this late in the season to sit Correa out and give his back a chance to heal some before the playoffs. It has been obvious for a while that he isn’t right. 

That’s a significant mistake by the team as a whole.

AJ has been in denial concerning Correa’s limitations due to his back pain. He thought if he kept running Correa out there and repeating the, “..he’s a middle of the order bat,” thing long enough somehow CC would be magically cured. Back injuries can’t be cured by verbal positive reinforcement. 

[unionstation82]

Sept 22, 2018 12:58:33 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Sept 22, 2018 12:49:36 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

That’s a significant mistake by the team as a whole.

AJ has been in denial concerning Correa’s limitations due to his back pain. He thought if he kept running Correa out there and repeating the, “..he’s a middle of the order bat,” thing long enough somehow CC would be magically cured. Back injuries can’t be cured by verbal positive reinforcement. 

I’m sure it wasn’t just on Hinch. The front office has its share of culpability. If they were so desperate to reignite the offense, why didn’t they add another bat before the deadline just in case Correa needed more time instead of hastily throwing him back out there at the risk of his health? It seems grossly irresponsible.

[unionstation82]

Out again tonight.

www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/astros-carlos-correa-remains-out-monday/

[blcoach8]

I expected him to be out and I expect him to miss this entire Toronto series. I have a feeling he will be useless in the post season