marshall
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Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood...
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Post by marshall on Sept 28, 2018 11:37:09 GMT -6
Where did I say that GIDPs aren't a bad thing? Please quote where I said that or even hinted at it. If you're not full of shit, quote where I said that. Please please quote where I said that. You seem to have no problem with Altuve hitting into them no matter the count or the type of pitch because of who he is. I seem to recall you hammering Gurriel for the same thing you defend Altuve for doing. DP's are not a positive no matter who hits into them. Altuve's lack of plate discipline creates most of the DP's he grounds into. How about a middle ground here.
If there are more GDP opportunities, should that be taken into account when discussing raw GDP numbers? Shouldn't they be evaluated as a ratio to opportunities instead, just like BA and OBP? If you have higher raw numbers entirely because of the greater number of opportunities, isn't that actually a good thing since it means your team mates have given you these additional opportunities?
And if it is not because of additional opportunities, would that not be a bad thing?
The key is CONTEXT!
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 12:11:50 GMT -6
Where did I say that GIDPs aren't a bad thing? Please quote where I said that or even hinted at it. If you're not full of shit, quote where I said that. Please please quote where I said that. You seem to have no problem with Altuve hitting into them no matter the count or the type of pitch because of who he is. I seem to recall you hammering Gurriel for the same thing you defend Altuve for doing. DP's are not a positive no matter who hits into them. Altuve's lack of plate discipline creates most of the DP's he grounds into. No no, that's not what I asked. This has nothing to do with Altuve's plate discipline. You said that I claimed DPs weren't a bad thing. Where did I say that GIDPs were okay? Where did I say that I was okay with Altuve hitting to DPs? Give me a quote and stop making up bullshit like a liberal politician. Either admit that you're flat out lying or post a quote where I said GIDPs aren't a bad thing. That simple. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 28, 2018 12:22:00 GMT -6
You're going to lose this argument by attrition. I have no doubt but I still have to make the effort. Y'all might be okay with him being full of shit and saying whatever he wants, but I don't believe in "Corch being Corch". Exercise in Futility, Dear Watson. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 12:52:11 GMT -6
I have no doubt but I still have to make the effort. Y'all might be okay with him being full of shit and saying whatever he wants, but I don't believe in "Corch being Corch". Exercise in Futility, Dear Watson. I've done dumber things. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 28, 2018 12:53:37 GMT -6
Exercise in Futility, Dear Watson. I've done dumber things. I wouldn't admit that.... |
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 12:56:22 GMT -6
I wouldn't admit that.... I ain't afeared of you. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 28, 2018 13:03:57 GMT -6
I wouldn't admit that.... I ain't afeared of you. Just giving advice to my fellow posse....you may proceed forward, but I don't want to hear any bellyaching..... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 28, 2018 13:10:10 GMT -6
l didn't say he had horrible success. I have said many times that he is a great player who makes bad decisions at times. He often swings at first pitches that are well out of the strike zone and grounds into DP's that either killls a potential rally or ends an inning. He needs to be more selective when the situation calls for it. He also has brain cramps on the bases and gets picked off. With that said, no way would I trade him. I am surprised that you would respond to someone you think is an "idiot' just because he doesn't put huge importance on WAR, OSP, etc. I don't care about their approach if it's getting them a hit more than 30% of the time and on base at least 38% of the time. And GIDPs don't matter when you're leading off.
WAR and "OSP" have nothing to do with anything relevant to this discussion. You seem more concerned with them than I do since you bring them up in every post that I comment on. Move on.
You made this statement... "GIDP's don't matter when you're hitting leadoff". We all know you can't hit into a DP when leading off a game or an inning. But, we also know that the first batter for each team in a game is the only one that does not have the propensity for hitting into a DP if the game situation arises. I do care about his approach even though he averages getting hits at least 30% of the time. If he took a disciplined appproach in the other 70% of his at bats he could get more hits and hit into fewer DP's. At no time did i minimize Altuve's success....i merely pointed out how his lack of plate discipline at times hurts the team. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 28, 2018 13:22:27 GMT -6
You're going to lose this argument by attrition. I have no doubt but I still have to make the effort. Y'all might be okay with him being full of shit and saying whatever he wants, but I don't believe in "Corch being Corch". Again, I disagree with you and I'm "full of shit".  Weren't you the one who got his feelings hurt, packed up your toys and went home about the same time we saw the last of punk ass astros fan? Why don't you grow a pair and see that disagreeing with you doesn't mean the dissenter is full of shit? You have your opinion and I have mine regarding DP's and other aspects of the game. I have never denied or disagreed with you about Altuve being a great player and a great hitter. That record speaks for itself. I pointed out that his lack of plate discipline at times is harmful to the team's offense. I cited a time when the preceding hitter had walked on four pitches only to have Altuve swing the first pitch, ground into a DP, and kill an inning. The time and game situation also determines when a DP is most harmful. If we are in the 8th inning with a 9-2 lead and Altuve or any hitter hits into a DP, it probably has no bearing on the outciome of the game whereas if the game is tied in the 8th with the go-ahead run on base, it is wiser to be selective and be sure you get a good pitch to hit. A DP at that time can cost you the game. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 13:40:19 GMT -6
I don't care about their approach if it's getting them a hit more than 30% of the time and on base at least 38% of the time. And GIDPs don't matter when you're leading off.
WAR and "OSP" have nothing to do with anything relevant to this discussion. You seem more concerned with them than I do since you bring them up in every post that I comment on. Move on.
You made this statement... "GIDP's don't matter when you're hitting leadoff". We all know you can't hit into a DP when leading off a game or an inning. But, we also know that the first batter for each team in a game is the only one that does not have the propensity for hitting into a DP if the game situation arises. I do care about his approach even though he averages getting hits at least 30% of the time. If he took a disciplined appproach in the other 70% of his at bats he could get more hits and hit into fewer DP's. At no time did i minimize Altuve's success....i merely pointed out how his lack of plate discipline at times hurts the team. So you admit that I never said GIDP's aren't a bad thing? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 28, 2018 14:05:48 GMT -6
You made this statement... "GIDP's don't matter when you're hitting leadoff". We all know you can't hit into a DP when leading off a game or an inning. But, we also know that the first batter for each team in a game is the only one that does not have the propensity for hitting into a DP if the game situation arises. I do care about his approach even though he averages getting hits at least 30% of the time. If he took a disciplined appproach in the other 70% of his at bats he could get more hits and hit into fewer DP's. At no time did i minimize Altuve's success....i merely pointed out how his lack of plate discipline at times hurts the team. So you admit that I never said GIDP's aren't a bad thing? I admit that you did not say that precuisely,but, the implication was there. After I told you why I thought Altuve's lack of plate discipline led to his GIDP, your responded by telling me how successful he is with that approach. It all depends on the game situation as I have mentioned. So, I assumed you thought it was OK for Altuve to GIDP because of his batting average. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 14:09:56 GMT -6
So you admit that I never said GIDP's aren't a bad thing? I admit that you did not say that precuisely,but, the implication was there. After I told you why I thought Altuve's lack of plate discipline led to his GIDP, your responded by telling me how successful he is with that approach. It all depends on the game situation as I have mentioned. So, I assumed you thought it was OK for Altuve to GIDP because of his batting average. You made something up that wasn't true. That's all you had to say. Thanks! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 28, 2018 14:40:57 GMT -6
I admit that you did not say that precuisely,but, the implication was there. After I told you why I thought Altuve's lack of plate discipline led to his GIDP, your responded by telling me how successful he is with that approach. It all depends on the game situation as I have mentioned. So, I assumed you thought it was OK for Altuve to GIDP because of his batting average. You made something up that wasn't true. That's all you had to say. Thanks! I didn't make up a damn thing. You always try to go back on your BS when called on it........YOU are full of shit. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 14:47:38 GMT -6
You made something up that wasn't true. That's all you had to say. Thanks! I didn't make up a damn thing. You always try to go back on your BS when called on it........YOU are full of shit. You already said you did. Don't flip flop on it now, bro. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 14:52:07 GMT -6
Soooooo, Astros vs Orioles TAKE TWO?
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 28, 2018 15:12:41 GMT -6
I didn't make up a damn thing. You always try to go back on your BS when called on it........YOU are full of shit. You already said you did. Don't flip flop on it now, bro. On top of being full of shit, you can't read. You are too damn stupid to read and comprehend so you resort to playing dumb....problem is you are just a dumbass and can't help it. You have already proven that you are a liar. You said you were leaving this forum, but, here you are playing the victim all over again. You really are pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 15:13:44 GMT -6
Guys.... in the mortal words of Rodney King "Can't we all just get a bong!"
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 15:15:27 GMT -6
You already said you did. Don't flip flop on it now, bro. On top of being full of shit, you can't read. You are too damn stupid to read and comprehend so you resort to playing dumb....problem is you are just a dumbass and can't help it. You have already proven that you are a liar. You said you were leaving this forum, but, here you are playing the victim all over again. You really are pathetic. *yawn* |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 28, 2018 15:39:32 GMT -6
On top of being full of shit, you can't read. You are too damn stupid to read and comprehend so you resort to playing dumb....problem is you are just a dumbass and can't help it. You have already proven that you are a liar. You said you were leaving this forum, but, here you are playing the victim all over again. You really are pathetic. *yawn* Go ahead and admit that you are a liar.........it's a proven fact. Poor thing....I questioned why you wanted Altuve leading off and told you why and you have been going beserk ever since. You need to seek professional help. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 28, 2018 16:45:23 GMT -6
Go ahead and admit that you are a liar.........it's a proven fact. Poor thing....I questioned why you wanted Altuve leading off and told you why and you have been going beserk ever since. You need to seek professional help. You got it, Beto! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 17:05:25 GMT -6
Go ahead and admit that you are a liar.........it's a proven fact. Poor thing....I questioned why you wanted Altuve leading off and told you why and you have been going beserk ever since. You need to seek professional help. Come on coach, dial it back a tad please. You're both good Astros fans. No reason to escalate a minor disagreement. |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 29, 2018 10:10:57 GMT -6
Lord have mercy chillren.
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Weren't you the one who got his feelings hurt, packed up your toys and went home about the same time we saw the last of punk ass astros fan? Why don't you grow a pair and see that disagreeing with you doesn't mean the dissenter is full of shit? You have your opinion and I have mine regarding DP's and other aspects of the game. I have never denied or disagreed with you about Altuve being a great player and a great hitter. That record speaks for itself. I pointed out that his lack of plate discipline at times is harmful to the team's offense. I cited a time when the preceding hitter had walked on four pitches only to have Altuve swing the first pitch, ground into a DP, and kill an inning. The time and game situation also determines when a DP is most harmful. If we are in the 8th inning with a 9-2 lead and Altuve or any hitter hits into a DP, it probably has no bearing on the outciome of the game whereas if the game is tied in the 8th with the go-ahead run on base, it is wiser to be selective and be sure you get a good pitch to hit. A DP at that time can cost you the game.
