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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 29, 2018 11:07:25 GMT -6
Speaking of duds, is Kershaw the worst big-game pitcher ever? And is Jansen the worst big-game reliever? Spot on to both counts.......Kershaw is the supreme choker among playoff pitchers. Jansen the same for relievers. Kershaw is a free agent and somebody....esepcially the Dodgers......will fork over millions to sign him. Glad Luhnow is not that stupid. Kershaw was also the subject of the most ridiculous comment I heard during the World Series and it came last night after Kershaw had served up three home runs to the Red Sox.......In the words of Pedro Martinez: "Clayton Kershaw can be the equal of Sandy Koufax". HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Koufax was a winner who excelled in the post-season..........Kershaw tanks whenever he is depended on by his team. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2018 11:09:37 GMT -6
It's interesting, he does get progressively worse the further his team advances, based on ERA:
Regular Season: 2.39
Divisional Series: 3.72
Championship Series: 4.61
World Series: 5.40
Regular Season Record: 153-69
Postseason Record: 9-10
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Post by Saint on Oct 29, 2018 11:12:35 GMT -6
Jansen has been pretty good in the postseason until we beat him last WS. He didn't have a super great year this regular season either (for him).
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 29, 2018 14:10:35 GMT -6
Does beating the Dodgers make the Astros and Red Sox eskimo brothers?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 29, 2018 14:20:42 GMT -6
Does beating the Dodgers make the Astros and Red Sox eskimo brothers? What? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 29, 2018 14:23:40 GMT -6
Does beating the Dodgers make the Astros and Red Sox eskimo brothers? If so, I hope Eskimo kisses are not mandatory.  |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 29, 2018 14:25:31 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 29, 2018 14:32:15 GMT -6
Main difference between the Dodgers and Red Sox: Cora managed his pitching staff brilliantly........Roberts had no clue just as he didn't last year when he started Darvish in game 7
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 7:24:10 GMT -6
Main difference between the Dodgers and Red Sox: Cora managed his pitching staff brilliantly........Roberts had no clue just as he didn't last year when he started Darvish in game 7 It's hard to fire a manager that takes his team to back to back World Series, but the Dodgers might have to consider it w/ Roberts. They are missing their window to win a WS with the potential of Kershaw walking in Free Agency. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 30, 2018 8:24:04 GMT -6
Main difference between the Dodgers and Red Sox: Cora managed his pitching staff brilliantly........Roberts had no clue just as he didn't last year when he started Darvish in game 7 It's hard to fire a manager that takes his team to back to back World Series, but the Dodgers might have to consider it w/ Roberts. They are missing their window to win a WS with the potential of Kershaw walking in Free Agency. I give him a 50-50 shot of keeping his job. Yankees or Red Sox would have fired him yesterday....ask Girardi or Farrell |
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Post by Saint on Oct 30, 2018 10:09:06 GMT -6
Main difference between the Dodgers and Red Sox: Cora managed his pitching staff brilliantly........Roberts had no clue just as he didn't last year when he started Darvish in game 7 It's hard to fire a manager that takes his team to back to back World Series, but the Dodgers might have to consider it w/ Roberts. They are missing their window to win a WS with the potential of Kershaw walking in Free Agency. But there's the problem. If postseason Kershaw was as good as regular season Kershaw, they're probably looking at least one WS championship, if not two, during these years. Kershaw is hurting them more than Roberts in the WS. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 30, 2018 11:03:32 GMT -6
It's hard to fire a manager that takes his team to back to back World Series, but the Dodgers might have to consider it w/ Roberts. They are missing their window to win a WS with the potential of Kershaw walking in Free Agency. But there's the problem. If postseason Kershaw was as good as regular season Kershaw, they're probably looking at least one WS championship, if not two, during these years. Kershaw is hurting them more than Roberts in the WS. True, but Roberts didn’t help in certain key decisions in other games. Game 4 was an example. Rich Hill should not have been taken out. For some reason, all these managers like Ryan Madson. He sucked again, and it was a game. The eighth inning was on Jansen. Roberts gets a pass for that one. Not walking Devers in the 9th was on the manager again. You try to set up a double play with a runner on second base. All hell broke loose afterwards. As far as last year, the Dodgers would’ve won had Roberts started Alex Wood in Game 7 instead of Yu Darvish. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 30, 2018 11:13:51 GMT -6
But there's the problem. If postseason Kershaw was as good as regular season Kershaw, they're probably looking at least one WS championship, if not two, during these years. Kershaw is hurting them more than Roberts in the WS. True, but Roberts doesn’t help in certain key decisions in other games. Game 4 was an example. Rich Hill should not have been taken out. For some reason, all these managers like Ryan Madson. He sucked again, and it was a game. The eighth inning was on Jansen. Roberts gets a pass for that one. Not walking Devers in the 9th was on the manager again. You try to set up a double play with a runner on second base. All hell broke loose afterwards. As far as last year, the Dodgers win if Roberts started Alex Wood in Game 7 instead of Yu Darvish. Roberts' problem seems to be not knowing when to take a pitcher out of a game. He stays with Kershaw longer than others even when Kershaw is not pitching well. On the other hand, he seems willing to pull his other starters...especially Rich Hill.......at the first sign of trouble. He pulled Hill when he was pitching well and the bullpen got hammered. Kershaw and the bullpen....especially big Kenly Jansen .......was not very good at all. Cora seemed to make all the right moves with his pitching, especially Price. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 30, 2018 13:14:30 GMT -6
But there's the problem. If postseason Kershaw was as good as regular season Kershaw, they're probably looking at least one WS championship, if not two, during these years. Kershaw is hurting them more than Roberts in the WS. True, but Roberts didn’t help in certain key decisions in other games. Game 4 was an example. Rich Hill should not have been taken out. For some reason, all these managers like Ryan Madson. He sucked again, and it was a game. The eighth inning was on Jansen. Roberts gets a pass for that one. Not walking Devers in the 9th was on the manager again. You try to set up a double play with a runner on second base. All hell broke loose afterwards. As far as last year, the Dodgers would’ve won had Roberts started Alex Wood in Game 7 instead of Yu Darvish. He's having to try and get conservative and crazier than he probably normally would because his "once in a generation" uber-ace isn't carrying close to his share of the weight though. I'm not saying Roberts isn't without criticism, but I think more needs to fall on Kershaw than him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 30, 2018 13:30:31 GMT -6
True, but Roberts didn’t help in certain key decisions in other games. Game 4 was an example. Rich Hill should not have been taken out. For some reason, all these managers like Ryan Madson. He sucked again, and it was a game. The eighth inning was on Jansen. Roberts gets a pass for that one. Not walking Devers in the 9th was on the manager again. You try to set up a double play with a runner on second base. All hell broke loose afterwards. As far as last year, the Dodgers would’ve won had Roberts started Alex Wood in Game 7 instead of Yu Darvish. He's having to try and get conservative and crazier than he probably normally would because his "once in a generation" uber-ace isn't carrying close to his share of the weight though. I'm not saying Roberts isn't without criticism, but I think more needs to fall on Kershaw than him. Fair enough. Jansen too. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 30, 2018 13:31:01 GMT -6
True, but Roberts doesn’t help in certain key decisions in other games. Game 4 was an example. Rich Hill should not have been taken out. For some reason, all these managers like Ryan Madson. He sucked again, and it was a game. The eighth inning was on Jansen. Roberts gets a pass for that one. Not walking Devers in the 9th was on the manager again. You try to set up a double play with a runner on second base. All hell broke loose afterwards. As far as last year, the Dodgers win if Roberts started Alex Wood in Game 7 instead of Yu Darvish. Roberts' problem seems to be not knowing when to take a pitcher out of a game. He stays with Kershaw longer than others even when Kershaw is not pitching well. On the other hand, he seems willing to pull his other starters...especially Rich Hill.......at the first sign of trouble. He pulled Hill when he was pitching well and the bullpen got hammered. Kershaw and the bullpen....especially big Kenly Jansen .......was not very good at all. Cora seemed to make all the right moves with his pitching, especially Price. Kershaw sucking isn’t Roberts’s fault, though. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 30, 2018 13:58:58 GMT -6
Roberts' problem seems to be not knowing when to take a pitcher out of a game. He stays with Kershaw longer than others even when Kershaw is not pitching well. On the other hand, he seems willing to pull his other starters...especially Rich Hill.......at the first sign of trouble. He pulled Hill when he was pitching well and the bullpen got hammered. Kershaw and the bullpen....especially big Kenly Jansen .......was not very good at all. Cora seemed to make all the right moves with his pitching, especially Price. Kershaw sucking isn’t Roberts’s fault, though. No, but it's his fault for leaving Kershaw in the game when he sucks. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 30, 2018 14:01:31 GMT -6
Kershaw sucking isn’t Roberts’s fault, though. No, but it's his fault for leaving Kershaw in the game when he sucks. The Betts homer was probably the last straw, but the Dodgers were already done by that point. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 30, 2018 14:59:45 GMT -6
No, but it's his fault for leaving Kershaw in the game when he sucks. The Betts homer was probably the last straw, but the Dodgers were already done by that point. i think Kershaw is one of the most over-rated pitchers of all time and Pedro Martinez was dead wrong to compare him to Sandy Koufax. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 30, 2018 15:07:44 GMT -6
The Betts homer was probably the last straw, but the Dodgers were already done by that point. i think Kershaw is one of the most over-rated pitchers of all time and Pedro Martinez was dead wrong to compare him to Sandy Koufax. I don't know how he would be overrated. The guy has been ridiculous most of his career. He certainly has been a postseason disaster though. Kind of like Price. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 30, 2018 16:44:35 GMT -6
i think Kershaw is one of the most over-rated pitchers of all time and Pedro Martinez was dead wrong to compare him to Sandy Koufax. I don't know how he would be overrated. The guy has been ridiculous most of his career. He certainly has been a postseason disaster though. Kind of like Price. He is over-rated because he tanks in the post-season. He has great regular season stats but can't get it done in October. I'd take Verlander and severl others in the post-season ahead of Kershaw. But, the Dodgers will probably overpay him and keep him |
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