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Post by Saint on May 2, 2019 12:52:44 GMT -6
If we're talking about performance, why is it acceptable for a good player to have a slump but it's not acceptable for a worse player to have a similar slump? That logic doesn't make any sense. We're complaining about Stassi, White, Kemp, and Jake. Collectively making like $4.5 million to be roleplayers. Meanwhile Altuve and Gurriel are collectively making about $20 million to be everyday performers. Because it's a career-long slump. You have to have done something before you can slump, too. But they have. White was an above-average hitter for his career before this year (and still is even with this year's struggles). Kemp was above-average last year. Stassi is a backup catcher who has done absolutely fine until this year. Marisnick is a 4th OFer who has absolutely been fine this year. We're not going to win many games when our collective $60+ million 2-3-4 combo can't even advance a baserunner with RISP. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 2, 2019 13:10:23 GMT -6
Our rotation has two aces, a rental, and two relievers. They need more help. that was my opinion when they went to spring training. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 2, 2019 16:41:19 GMT -6
that was my opinion when they went to spring training. They better pray Whitley gets ready sooner than later. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 2, 2019 16:45:46 GMT -6
Because it's a career-long slump. You have to have done something before you can slump, too. But they have. White was an above-average hitter for his career before this year (and still is even with this year's struggles). Kemp was above-average last year. Stassi is a backup catcher who has done absolutely fine until this year. Marisnick is a 4th OFer who has absolutely been fine this year. We're not going to win many games when our collective $60+ million 2-3-4 combo can't even advance a baserunner with RISP. If Stassi were some lights out defender like Hedges, then MAYBE he could earn more playing time. White wasn’t as much a tubbo before, and it seems to coincide with shitty play. This isn’t some charity that donates jobs to people who don’t get it done. All of them are bench players. I’d give that PH role to Kemp, but what do you do about the rest? Can you honestly say that Alvarez doesn’t deserve a chance over the rest of them? |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 2, 2019 22:24:08 GMT -6
The front office seemed to indicate over the winter any holes in the pitching staff could be replaced by minor league arms in the organization. It's going to be interesting to see if they stick to that story They better pray Whitley gets ready sooner than later. Whitley and Martin. McHugh and Peacock belong in the pen. They over-valued what they had, made no significant moves, and we see what we have. I am not sure we win the division with this rotation unless McHugh and Peacock turn it around. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 3, 2019 6:15:01 GMT -6
They better pray Whitley gets ready sooner than later. Whitley and Martin. McHugh and Peacock belong in the pen. They over-valued what they had, made no significant moves, and we see what we have. I am not sure we win the division with this rotation unless McHugh and Peacock turn it around. I just can’t get upset with those two. They’re just doing what they’re told and giving it all they have. It’s not their fault that the team felt like putting two of their more consistent relievers into the starting rotation was a good idea. |
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Post by Saint on May 3, 2019 7:33:24 GMT -6
But they have. White was an above-average hitter for his career before this year (and still is even with this year's struggles). Kemp was above-average last year. Stassi is a backup catcher who has done absolutely fine until this year. Marisnick is a 4th OFer who has absolutely been fine this year. We're not going to win many games when our collective $60+ million 2-3-4 combo can't even advance a baserunner with RISP. If Stassi were some lights out defender like Hedges, then MAYBE he could earn more playing time. White wasn’t as much a tubbo before, and it seems to coincide with shitty play. This isn’t some charity that donates jobs to people who don’t get it done. All of them are bench players. I’d give that PH role to Kemp, but what do you do about the rest? Can you honestly say that Alvarez doesn’t deserve a chance over the rest of them? I'm just saying I think we should give them until the end of the month since we have the opportunity to. No rush using up service time for Alvarez. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 3, 2019 8:01:25 GMT -6
If Stassi were some lights out defender like Hedges, then MAYBE he could earn more playing time. White wasn’t as much a tubbo before, and it seems to coincide with shitty play. This isn’t some charity that donates jobs to people who don’t get it done. All of them are bench players. I’d give that PH role to Kemp, but what do you do about the rest? Can you honestly say that Alvarez doesn’t deserve a chance over the rest of them? I'm just saying I think we should give them until the end of the month since we have the opportunity to. No rush using up service time for Alvarez. I wonder what day will clear this season of service time for Alvarez. |
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Post by m240 on May 3, 2019 9:10:03 GMT -6
I'm just saying I think we should give them until the end of the month since we have the opportunity to. No rush using up service time for Alvarez. I wonder what day will clear this season of service time for Alvarez. Per fangraphs: The Super Two cutoff (the point at which you can safely assume a player will not achieve Super Two status) varies based on the callup decisions of every club. That means the date at which you can bring a player up is a range. Here are the cutoff points from the last few years via MLB Trade Rumors: 2014: 2.133 2013: 2.122 2012: 2.140 2011: 2.146 2010: 2.122 2009: 2.139 There’s variation in the cutoff, but you can safely assume it will be between 2.120 and 2.150, meaning that if you keep a player down for about 65 service days in their first year, you will not have to let them pass through arbitration four times. So by my calculations there are 6 more guys from all other teams that need to be brought up and stick for Alvarez and Martin to not be able to achieve super 2 status. This is a crappy way to run the deal and in my opinion the Astros need to show a little class and bring both of these guys up when the team gets back from Mexico. Time is wasting. |
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Post by m240 on May 3, 2019 10:18:22 GMT -6
So barring a bunch more rookies being called up and sticking then the "safe" date for calling up Alvarez is June 2. That is a long time off.
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Post by blcoach8 on May 3, 2019 11:07:46 GMT -6
Tinm to bring up Whitley and put Peacock back in the pen. Send James down.
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Post by marshall on May 3, 2019 11:33:45 GMT -6
So barring a bunch more rookies being called up and sticking then the "safe" date for calling up Alvarez is June 2. That is a long time off. A year of control is worth a bundle just to get another month of play. |
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Post by m240 on May 3, 2019 12:47:23 GMT -6
So barring a bunch more rookies being called up and sticking then the "safe" date for calling up Alvarez is June 2. That is a long time off. A year of control is worth a bundle just to get another month of play. Perhaps I was not clear with what I was saying, the extra year of control is already ensured. What is being addressed is the super 2 category for an extra year of salary arbitration. So 4 trips through arbitration as opposed to 3. If he were brought up right now he would become like Springer in total years of control (7) and arbitration years (4). |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 3, 2019 13:39:39 GMT -6
I’d call Alvarez up now. This offense needs a boost while the big boys figure it out.
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Post by blcoach8 on May 3, 2019 13:45:48 GMT -6
I’d call Alvarez up now. This offense needs a boost while the big boys figure it out. I second that. Get rid of White........and find another catcher to replace Stassi. |
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Post by koolade2 on May 4, 2019 11:35:22 GMT -6
If I was Astros management I would give White an ultimatum either he loses 20 or so pounds or he will spend his life in AAA. No way a Player his age should be that way out of shape. Also would institute a Personal Hygiene Requirement, Yes I know it will never Fly but with his as Fat as he is He looks like a Bearded Marshmellow man.
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Post by marshall on May 4, 2019 12:01:31 GMT -6
A year of control is worth a bundle just to get another month of play. Perhaps I was not clear with what I was saying, the extra year of control is already ensured. What is being addressed is the super 2 category for an extra year of salary arbitration. So 4 trips through arbitration as opposed to 3. If he were brought up right now he would become like Springer in total years of control (7) and arbitration years (4). The way things are going with early signings, the cost to avoid the Super Two arbitration might be going down and thus making an early call up more financially palatable. |
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