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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 10:53:53 GMT -6
As Arlington's season accelerates downhill, talk is growing that perhaps the Rangers would be best off trading away their more accomplished (and expensive) veterans in order to cut payroll and acquire prospects who stand to help them make a playoff run in the future.
If the Rangers do indeed embark upon a rebuild, are there any veterans of that team you'd like to see join the 2018 Astros? Some possible trade deadline needs for the Astros that have been identified on this forum include: left fielder, relief pitcher, designated hitter, and catcher.
You can vote for as many of the players in the poll as you like. If there's a Ranger you like who's not on the list, please discuss them in a comment here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 11:19:35 GMT -6
Cole Hammels....maybe in long relief.  |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 12:13:34 GMT -6
I could see Beltre being pursued as a DH option if, for some reason, Gattis doesn't work out and the front office is not confident in any of the internal options. In my opinion, Tyler White would fill this role just fine, but Luhnow may well not agree with me.
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Post by marshall on Apr 13, 2018 12:32:50 GMT -6
I voted for Beltre just so we wouldn't have to face him. He seems to have our number. I haven't looked at how he's performing against the rest of the league. but it feels like he had almost all of Texas' extra base hits against us.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 12:49:43 GMT -6
I voted for Beltre just so we wouldn't have to face him. He seems to have our number. I haven't looked at how he's performing against the rest of the league. but it feels like he had almost all of Texas' extra base hits against us. Many Astros fans seem to feel that Beltre is the one "classy" member of the current Rangers team. I think he would be welcomed by Astros fans as a veteran bat (and even today, a pretty good defender). He's played in 3 major postseason campaigns (plus 2 wildcard games which his team lost), totalling 28 postseason games. He's put up a career OPS+ of around 117 and in the postseason he's hit for a .747 OPS. That would have been pretty solid on the 2017 WS team. In general, I think having Beltre would help fill in that "Beltran" type of mentor-leader role that the Astros benefited from last year. |
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Post by olpapa on Apr 13, 2018 14:48:44 GMT -6
I voted for Beltre just so we wouldn't have to face him. He seems to have our number. I haven't looked at how he's performing against the rest of the league. but it feels like he had almost all of Texas' extra base hits against us. Yes and he has stolen many a hit from Astros batters over the years. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 13, 2018 14:58:43 GMT -6
Beltre would do better as DH than Gattis
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Post by marshall on Apr 13, 2018 16:10:26 GMT -6
Looking up his status in Cots, he is in the last year of an extension for $18M. He provides flexibility in the infield beyond DH by being to take over 3B and doing well, despite his age, for Bregman or allow Bregman to slide over to short if for Correa and leaving Marwin or Ted to provide depth in the OF. He wouldn't blockTucker and Gattis could also get behind the plate if needed there.
In short, Short term commitment with a good bat and defense which offers flexibility without blocking a top prospect or tying up funds to sign our core to extensions while providing veteran leadership.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 16:16:33 GMT -6
I voted for Beltre just so we wouldn't have to face him. He seems to have our number. I haven't looked at how he's performing against the rest of the league. but it feels like he had almost all of Texas' extra base hits against us. Yes and he has stolen many a hit from Astros batters over the years. well I guess one way to prevent him from doing that is to hire him! |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 16:17:37 GMT -6
Looking up his status in Cots, he is in the last year of an extension for $18M. He provides flexibility in the infield beyond DH by being to take over 3B and doing well, despite his age, for Bregman or allow Bregman to slide over to short if for Correa and leaving Marwin or Ted to provide depth in the OF. He wouldn't blockTucker and Gattis could also get behind the plate if needed there. In short, Short term commitment with a good bat and defense which offers flexibility without blocking a top prospect or tying up funds to sign our core to extensions while providing veteran leadership. I'd assume, then, that adding Beltre at the deadline would "only" cost the Astros around $9 million as the Rangers would have to pay for the first half of his 2018 salary. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 16:19:37 GMT -6
Beltre would do better as DH than Gattis I think so too. And while I think the odds are >50% that Tyler White would out-hit even Beltre, I can't be sure of that, and Beltre has much more of a track record. Also, White would of course not bring the veteran leadership thing to the club, though by all accounts he is well-liked by teammates. I'm not sure if the money would be an issue. Beltre would cost 8 to 9 million bucks whereas White would be on league minimum or thereabouts. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 13, 2018 16:21:36 GMT -6
Looking up his status in Cots, he is in the last year of an extension for $18M. He provides flexibility in the infield beyond DH by being to take over 3B and doing well, despite his age, for Bregman or allow Bregman to slide over to short if for Correa and leaving Marwin or Ted to provide depth in the OF. He wouldn't blockTucker and Gattis could also get behind the plate if needed there. In short, Short term commitment with a good bat and defense which offers flexibility without blocking a top prospect or tying up funds to sign our core to extensions while providing veteran leadership. I'd assume, then, that adding Beltre at the deadline would "only" cost the Astros around $9 million as the Rangers would have to pay for the first half of his 2018 salary. Beltre would be a great addition to this team, even if it were for just 1 year....When you think of a true baseball player, Beltre fits that description. Can't stand the Rangers, but Beltre, I admire. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 16:23:33 GMT -6
I wonder what the Astros would have to give the Rangers in return for Beltre (besides taking on the unpaid portion of his 2018 salary). Can anybody think of a similar trade that has happened in the past few years that could be used as a reference?
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Post by marshall on Apr 13, 2018 16:25:58 GMT -6
Of course, Luhnow has a track record of getting the other club to throw in part of the remaining salary for a middle grade prospect which might be blocked here and/or subject to the rule 5 draft to assist their rebuilding efforts. That's why I like seeing former Astros do well after trades. Both the Verlander and Cole trades involves this sort of scenario.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 16:30:46 GMT -6
Even though Beltre has played in the World Series, his team didn't win the championship. I bet he'd like to be on a team that has a decent shot at getting him a WS ring.
Also, I made a mistake above. Beltre has only played in one wildcard game (2012), not 2. He's been on a few teams that made it to the Division Series but couldn't advance beyond that.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 16:32:17 GMT -6
Of course, Luhnow has a track record of getting the other club to throw in part of the remaining salary for a middle grade prospect which might be blocked here to assist their rebuilding efforts. That's why I like seeing former Astros do well after trades. Both the Verlander and Cole trades involves this sort of scenario. It sounds like Arlington could be a decent landing spot for a Kemp/Kemmer/Reed/White/Davis fellow or one of the many pitchers in the minors now like Framber Valdez, Cionel Perez, Brandon Bailey... or heck, even SuperJack Mayfield. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 13, 2018 16:41:36 GMT -6
I voted for Mike Minor. Our bullpen needs help.
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Post by astrosdoug on Apr 13, 2018 16:54:30 GMT -6
I voted for Mike Minor. Our bullpen needs help. Last summer, before the trade deadline, I had Minor on a short-list of about 5 pitchers I was really hoping the Astros would acquire. Like most people, I was... umm, underwhelmed... by the additions of Tyler Clippard and Francisco Liriano. Of course getting Verlander a month later made all the difference. But I definitely agree with you, Minor is a quality arm and if we couldn't get him last year, why not this year? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 13, 2018 17:56:38 GMT -6
Either the management really downplays our need for relief help, or they’re thinking bigger than just getting a lefty for the bullpen. Either way, they shouldn’t rest on their laurels.
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Post by m240 on Apr 13, 2018 18:04:37 GMT -6
I voted for Minor but Beltre would be a solid addition as well.
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