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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 28, 2019 1:43:46 GMT -6
i’ve seen a few people online lately who proposed the possibility that AJ Hinch is a mediocre manager, at best, who has been inaccurately made to appear competent because of the elite team he has been given.
What do do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 3:10:14 GMT -6
Niether.
He's not Casey Stengel, but OTOH some of our illustrious detractors seem to forget the likes of Jimy Williams and the ultimate worst...... Bo Porter.
I still put him in the lower top to upper second quintille., which has him ranked in the neighborhood of about 5th to 8th best in MLB.
Luhnow now..... We got a gem, the best.. They're writing books about his prowess in the front office.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2019 4:15:39 GMT -6
i’ve seen a few people online lately who proposed the possibility that AJ Hinch is a mediocre manager, at best, who has been inaccurately made to appear competent because of the elite team he has been given. What do do you think? I wish there was a choice in between the two. I have an issue with the strategy he employs on offense. It’s so lackadaisical. However, I think back to how he managed that craptacular bullpen in the ‘17 Postseason, and that was truly masterful. Giles barely avoided blowing Game 2 on a walkoff, and Devenski was mediocre but looked like Mariano Rivera by comparison. He made Peacock carry the pitching to a long save and a win, and Morton was godlike as a reliever under his watch. He also kept Springer at leadoff in the World Series when all of us wanted him dropped down, and the rest is history. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2019 9:32:18 GMT -6
On a scale of 1-5, I'd give him a 4. I think he is more towards master than mediocre. He's not perfect, but I think he manages the season well by resting guys and such. He has inherited a lot of talent so it's hard to say how much is him, but when a lot of that talent gives him a lot of credit (like Springer, for example) that means something.
And whether or not you think he's a great manager, it takes a strong leader to control that many egos and keep people on point. Outside of Giles, our clubhouse has kept together very strongly even with guys like Gomez on the team at times. That's not easy. And I think what he had to deal with during 2017 and keeping this team motivated during Harvey and such, was truly excellent work.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 28, 2019 10:20:13 GMT -6
I wonder what his short tenure as a manager prior to the Astros gig has to say about this question. If anything.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 28, 2019 10:22:43 GMT -6
I changed the poll for Sherwin. Vote again, whoever had voted.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 28, 2019 10:38:17 GMT -6
i’ve seen a few people online lately who proposed the possibility that AJ Hinch is a mediocre manager, at best, who has been inaccurately made to appear competent because of the elite team he has been given. What do do you think? I think you generally don't need to look very hard to find a primitive screwhead who thinks he's smarter than a MLB manager. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 28, 2019 11:07:16 GMT -6
Being an MLB manager doesn't mean you're smart. Just this one team has had quite a few managers who were complete mongoloids.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2019 12:16:36 GMT -6
Being an MLB manager doesn't mean you're smart. Just this one team has had quite a few managers who were complete mongoloids. After a loss:
"That won't happen again."
- Cecil Cooper
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 12:50:07 GMT -6
Being an MLB manager doesn't mean you're smart. Just this one team has had quite a few managers who were complete mongoloids. After a loss:
"That won't happen again."
- Cecil Cooper
And he wasn't even the worst. Hard to believe that in such as short period of time we saw Porter, Cooper, and Williams on this team. We were the MONGOLOIDS of MLB. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 28, 2019 15:53:23 GMT -6
He is in between. He leaves pitchers in too long........refuses to bunt, hit and run, or stezl. Relying too much on bome runs is gettng us beat
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2019 16:27:00 GMT -6
After a loss:
"That won't happen again."
- Cecil Cooper
And he wasn't even the worst. Hard to believe that in such as short period of time we saw Porter, Cooper, and Williams on this team. We were the MONGOLOIDS of MLB. Jimy Williams might’ve been my least favorite. Taking a pitcher out with two outs and nobody on was his thing. He also loved overusing relievers. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 28, 2019 16:38:30 GMT -6
And he wasn't even the worst. Hard to believe that in such as short period of time we saw Porter, Cooper, and Williams on this team. We were the MONGOLOIDS of MLB. Jimy Williams might’ve been my least favorite. Taking a pitcher out with two outs and nobody on was his thing. He also loved overusing relievers. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2019 16:39:49 GMT -6
Jimy Williams might’ve been my least favorite. Taking a pitcher out with two outs and nobody on was his thing. He also loved overusing relievers. It was his dream scenario. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2019 18:07:26 GMT -6
He is in between. He leaves pitchers in too long........refuses to bunt, hit and run, or stezl. Relying too much on bome runs is gettng us beat Voodoo, is that you? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2019 18:18:39 GMT -6
He is in between. He leaves pitchers in too long........refuses to bunt, hit and run, or stezl. Relying too much on bome runs is gettng us beat Voodoo, is that you? I haven’t had a problem recently with Hinch’s use of relievers, but what he said about everything else are the things in which I agree. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 28, 2019 18:23:51 GMT -6
I haven’t had a problem recently with Hinch’s use of relievers, but what he said about everything else are the things in which I agree. I'm talking about the spelling in his post. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 28, 2019 18:24:46 GMT -6
I haven’t had a problem recently with Hinch’s use of relievers, but what he said about everything else are the things in which I agree. I'm talking about the spelling in his post. He’s probably just having a stroke. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 28, 2019 18:57:42 GMT -6
I'm talking about the spelling in his post. He’s probably just having a stroke. Lmao |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 29, 2019 5:52:37 GMT -6
I haven’t had a problem recently with Hinch’s use of relievers, but what he said about everything else are the things in which I agree. Small ball is small thinking. Bunting can be useful if you're playing for a single run (and that does have its place late in a tie game) but otherwise it drastically reduces your chance to score more than one run in an inning. In most situations, willingly trading an out for advancing a baserunner is a bad trade. Thank you, Hinch, for not pissing away precious outs.
Regarding 'stezl', that's fine if your runners have a high success rate. The Astros obviously don't. When you have a meager 2:1 ratio between SB and CS, you're hurting your team by attempting to steal.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 29, 2019 6:14:24 GMT -6
I haven’t had a problem recently with Hinch’s use of relievers, but what he said about everything else are the things in which I agree. Small ball is small thinking. Bunting can be useful if you're playing for a single run (and that does have its place late in a tie game) but otherwise it drastically reduces your chance to score more than one run in an inning. In most situations, willingly trading an out for advancing a baserunner is a bad trade. Thank you, Hinch, for not pissing away precious outs.
Regarding 'stezl', that's fine if your runners have a high success rate. The Astros obviously don't. When you have a meager 2:1 ratio between SB and CS, you're hurting your team by attempting to steal.
Straw should have the green light. Still pissed about the game, where the Astros are down 1 run in the 8th inning..and Straw gets a walk....zero outs....and Straw being possibly the fastest guy in the majors does not steal to get into scoring position. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 29, 2019 6:57:30 GMT -6
Straw should have the green light. His 80% success rate in the minors won't necessarily translate to the same rate in the bigs but it is a good sign he's be a good candidate to send. Still, you have to weigh the situation. Especially who's catching and who's pitching. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2019 8:03:37 GMT -6
I haven’t had a problem recently with Hinch’s use of relievers, but what he said about everything else are the things in which I agree. Small ball is small thinking. Bunting can be useful if you're playing for a single run (and that does have its place late in a tie game) but otherwise it drastically reduces your chance to score more than one run in an inning. In most situations, willingly trading an out for advancing a baserunner is a bad trade. Thank you, Hinch, for not pissing away precious outs.
Regarding 'stezl', that's fine if your runners have a high success rate. The Astros obviously don't. When you have a meager 2:1 ratio between SB and CS, you're hurting your team by attempting to steal.
When you’re close late in games with an offense that has a tendency to beat the ball into the ground, it wouldn’t hurt to send runners to avoid double plays. I’m not saying people besides Straw should run free like Henderson, but trying to cut down on the seemingly endless double plays would likely be progress. As far as bunting, I’m more of a proponent of that if it’s for a hit or to move the runner to third base with no one out. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 29, 2019 8:37:01 GMT -6
I'm very much in favor of bunting for a hit, particularly in the case of left-handed batters where the defense has everyone on the right side, playing for the batter to pull.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 8:58:21 GMT -6
I'm very much in favor of bunting for a hit, particularly in the case of left-handed batters where the defense has everyone on the right side, playing for the batter to pull. Game has changed so much since I was a kid. Back in the '60's the game very centered on small ball. Bunt's, SB's, Hit and Run. Of course pitchers had more of the upper hand in those days. Those players who couldn't play within those guidelines, were usually jettisoned. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 29, 2019 10:18:45 GMT -6
I'm very much in favor of bunting for a hit, particularly in the case of left-handed batters where the defense has everyone on the right side, playing for the batter to pull. Game has changed so much since I was a kid. Back in the '60's the game very centered on small ball. Bunt's, SB's, Hit and Run. Of course pitchers had more of the upper hand in those days. Those players who couldn't play within those guidelines, were usually jettisoned. Catfish, I don't know how long ago you were a kid but in 1968 the strikezone was much more generous than it is today. And yes, pitchers did have the upper hand. It was necessary to scratch out a run any way possible. League average was 3.42 runs per game. 50 years later it's 4.45 runs per game. That's huge.
Back in the day, 75 bunts in a season was league average. Last year, 27. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2019 10:36:32 GMT -6
He is in between. He leaves pitchers in too long........refuses to bunt, hit and run, or stezl. Relying too much on bome runs is gettng us beat Voodoo, is that you? No, it's me. Players love playing for him and relates well to them. His game strategy is his weak point in m,opinion. I know he does not want to over work the pen but leaving a starter in until the game is lost is not the right move. He did that in the last two games with the Pirates. We have some speed and some contact hitters so why not attempt more steals and hit and run. Guys like Straw and Jake should be developed as good bunters.......Jake is not good at that. Too much dependency on home runs will bite you. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2019 10:38:53 GMT -6
I haven’t had a problem recently with Hinch’s use of relievers, but what he said about everything else are the things in which I agree. I'm talking about the spelling in his post. He is in between. He leaves pitchers in too long........refuses to bunt, hit and run, or stezl. Relying too much on bome runs is gettng us beat I hit a few wrong keys but I know how to spell.. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 29, 2019 11:48:49 GMT -6
No, it's me. Players love playing for him and relates well to them. His game strategy is his weak point in m,opinion. I know he does not want to over work the pen but leaving a starter in until the game is lost is not the right move. He did that in the last two games with the Pirates. We have some speed and some contact hitters so why not attempt more steals and hit and run. Guys like Straw and Jake should be developed as good bunters.......Jake is not good at that. Too much dependency on home runs will bite you. Both of the last two games with the Pirates were 'lost' by the second inning (if not sooner). I suppose Hinch could have pulled Valdez after one inning and maybe the game would have been won in extra innings (if the pen was lights-out). But unless he had pulled Peacock before he threw the first pitch, even just going to extras in that game wasn't in the cards, no matter what. Cite a few examples where Hinch left a starter in too long in the middle innings, turning a lead into a loss, and I might buy into your theory about him leaving starters in too long. But when a starter shits the bed in the first couple of innings, even the world's greatest manager can't fix that. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -6
No, it's me. Players love playing for him and relates well to them. His game strategy is his weak point in m,opinion. I know he does not want to over work the pen but leaving a starter in until the game is lost is not the right move. He did that in the last two games with the Pirates. We have some speed and some contact hitters so why not attempt more steals and hit and run. Guys like Straw and Jake should be developed as good bunters.......Jake is not good at that. Too much dependency on home runs will bite you. Both of the last two games with the Pirates were 'lost' by the second inning (if not sooner). I suppose Hinch could have pulled Valdez after one inning and maybe the game would have been won in extra innings (if the pen was lights-out). But unless he had pulled Peacock before he threw the first pitch, even just going to extras in that game wasn't in the cards, no matter what. Cite a few examples where Hinch left a starter in too long in the middle innings, turning a lead into a loss, and I might buy into your theory about him leaving starters in too long. But when a starter shits the bed in the first couple of innings, even the world's greatest manager can't fix that. I don't give a damn what you buy into. If the starters such as both Valdez and Peacock were getting hammered to the point we are 5-6 runs down after 2-3 innings, he should have been pulled. If you don't agree that is fine with me |
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