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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 16, 2019 11:56:12 GMT -6
I'd be more willing to let Cole go if we can get another championship this year. edit: Although for the record I think Cole is gone no matter what. Agree.... I'll venture a bidding war nets him something north of $40M/annually. I can't see $40M, but I think $35M a year is definitely within reach. Extend Verlander one more year, and bump his annual salary so it is $35M a year Offer Cole $35M a year for 6 years, after year 3, when Verlander proposed extended contract is over, then the remaining $35M a year deals for years 4-6 are player option years for Cole....so if the Astros are not competitive, he has the option to go elsewhere. Lump in Springer's next year arbitration and extend him to a 6 year/ $27.5M a year deal Package Correa, Reddick and Marisnick to get Pitching prospect and a top-rated OF or catcher prospect - reason for OF, because Brantley is gone after next season, and in case Straw's ceiling is 4th OF/super utility player (which is not bad). Expanded from the Above Scenarios: Astros 2020's top salaries (some numbers are rounded to the nearest million) Luxury Paryoll Tax Limit - $208M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28 (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Brantley -$16M Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Guriel - $8M Total = $198M *i am guessing most expensive arbitration players will be Osuna (arb 3), Peacock (arb 4), McCullers (arb 3) and Sanchez (Arb 3) Players - they don't need to bring back if the arb. is too high: Biagini, Devo, Diaz Astros 2021 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - $210M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Total = $174M *don't see the Astros being able to re-sign Brantley, will be too expensive for an already high payroll...and the same probably goes for Guriel... Astros 2022 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - don't know yet Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Bregman - $13M Total =$140M |
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Post by Saint on Sept 16, 2019 12:02:14 GMT -6
Agree.... I'll venture a bidding war nets him something north of $40M/annually. I can't see $40M, but I think $35M a year is definitely within reach. Extend Verlander one more year, and bump his annual salary so it is $35M a year Offer Cole $35M a year for 6 years, after year 3, when Verlander proposed extended contract is over, then the remaining $35M a year deals for years 4-6 are player option years for Cole....so if the Astros are not competitive, he has the option to go elsewhere. Lump in Springer's next year arbitration and extend him to a 6 year/ $27.5M a year deal Package Correa, Reddick and Marisnick to get Pitching prospect and a top-rated OF or catcher prospect - reason for OF, because Brantley is gone after next season, and in case Straw's ceiling is 4th OF/super utility player (which is not bad). Expanded from the Above Scenarios: Astros 2020's top salaries (some numbers are rounded to the nearest million) Luxury Paryoll Tax Limit - $208M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28 (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Brantley -$16M Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Guriel - $8M Total = $198M *i am guessing most expensive arbitration players will be Osuna (arb 3), Peacock (arb 4), McCullers (arb 3) and Sanchez (Arb 3) Players - they don't need to bring back if the arb. is too high: Biagini, Devo, Diaz Astros 2021 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - $210M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Total = $174M *don't see the Astros being able to re-sign Brantley, will be too expensive for an already high payroll...and the same probably goes for Guriel... Astros 2022 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - don't know yet Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Bregman - $13M Total =$140M  |
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Post by talshill on Sept 16, 2019 19:02:12 GMT -6
Home field winner will play the A's if they win the WC game. Do we want that, or a Twins team that just lost one of their best pitchers for the season...... I for one, still would rather play the A's if it meant playing 4 of 7 @ home in the ALCS. We should be able to beat both but we've struggled with the A's. W 11, L 8. RS 103, RA 75 (skewed by allowing 21 of those in 1 game). Held them to 3 runs or less 12 times. Scored 4 or more against them 12 times. RECENTLY they've struggled a bit against them and I don't really want to see them in the playoffs, either, but overall they've been superior to Oakland. Houston is the best team in baseball and if Oakland is in their way they need to be ready to be a speed bump. |
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Post by talshill on Sept 16, 2019 19:11:16 GMT -6
Agree.... I'll venture a bidding war nets him something north of $40M/annually. I can't see $40M, but I think $35M a year is definitely within reach. Extend Verlander one more year, and bump his annual salary so it is $35M a year Offer Cole $35M a year for 6 years, after year 3, when Verlander proposed extended contract is over, then the remaining $35M a year deals for years 4-6 are player option years for Cole....so if the Astros are not competitive, he has the option to go elsewhere. Lump in Springer's next year arbitration and extend him to a 6 year/ $27.5M a year deal Package Correa, Reddick and Marisnick to get Pitching prospect and a top-rated OF or catcher prospect - reason for OF, because Brantley is gone after next season, and in case Straw's ceiling is 4th OF/super utility player (which is not bad). Expanded from the Above Scenarios: Astros 2020's top salaries (some numbers are rounded to the nearest million) Luxury Paryoll Tax Limit - $208M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28 (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Brantley -$16M Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Guriel - $8M Total = $198M *i am guessing most expensive arbitration players will be Osuna (arb 3), Peacock (arb 4), McCullers (arb 3) and Sanchez (Arb 3) Players - they don't need to bring back if the arb. is too high: Biagini, Devo, Diaz Astros 2021 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - $210M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Total = $174M *don't see the Astros being able to re-sign Brantley, will be too expensive for an already high payroll...and the same probably goes for Guriel... Astros 2022 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - don't know yet Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Bregman - $13M Total =$140M The problem with the 2020 scenario is that you've got $198M tied up in 9 players. A portion of the cap (10 or 15M I think) goes to benefits. Leaving $0 to pay 16 more players without going deep into the luxury tax, which Crane said he wouldn't do. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 16, 2019 19:49:28 GMT -6
I can't see $40M, but I think $35M a year is definitely within reach. Extend Verlander one more year, and bump his annual salary so it is $35M a year Offer Cole $35M a year for 6 years, after year 3, when Verlander proposed extended contract is over, then the remaining $35M a year deals for years 4-6 are player option years for Cole....so if the Astros are not competitive, he has the option to go elsewhere. Lump in Springer's next year arbitration and extend him to a 6 year/ $27.5M a year deal Package Correa, Reddick and Marisnick to get Pitching prospect and a top-rated OF or catcher prospect - reason for OF, because Brantley is gone after next season, and in case Straw's ceiling is 4th OF/super utility player (which is not bad). Expanded from the Above Scenarios: Astros 2020's top salaries (some numbers are rounded to the nearest million) Luxury Paryoll Tax Limit - $208M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28 (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Brantley -$16M Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Guriel - $8M Total = $198M *i am guessing most expensive arbitration players will be Osuna (arb 3), Peacock (arb 4), McCullers (arb 3) and Sanchez (Arb 3) Players - they don't need to bring back if the arb. is too high: Biagini, Devo, Diaz Astros 2021 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - $210M Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Greinke - $25 Bregman - $13M Pressly - $9M Total = $174M *don't see the Astros being able to re-sign Brantley, will be too expensive for an already high payroll...and the same probably goes for Guriel... Astros 2022 Luxury Payroll Tax Limit - don't know yet Verlander -$35M (revised to match Cole's $35M a year) Cole- $35M (hopefully he signs) Altuve -$29M Springer - $28M (hopefully he signs an extension) Bregman - $13M Total =$140M The problem with the 2020 scenario is that you've got $198M tied up in 9 players. A portion of the cap (10 or 15M I think) goes to benefits. Leaving $0 to pay 16 more players without going deep into the luxury tax, which Crane said he wouldn't do. I know... but if they delay Springer's extension, to weigh more in later years, it will be better than I advertised. |
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Post by talshill on Sept 17, 2019 6:39:36 GMT -6
The problem with the 2020 scenario is that you've got $198M tied up in 9 players. A portion of the cap (10 or 15M I think) goes to benefits. Leaving $0 to pay 16 more players without going deep into the luxury tax, which Crane said he wouldn't do. I know... but if they delay Springer's extension, to weigh more in later years, it will be better than I advertised. Again, the cap is based on AAV, so it makes no difference if the contract is back-loaded. Back to square one. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 17, 2019 6:49:07 GMT -6
I know... but if they delay Springer's extension, to weigh more in later years, it will be better than I advertised. Again, the cap is based on AAV, so it makes no difference if the contract is back-loaded. Back to square one. You have to excuse myself, I am a little slow. |
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Post by m240 on Sept 17, 2019 6:52:38 GMT -6
I know... but if they delay Springer's extension, to weigh more in later years, it will be better than I advertised. Again, the cap is based on AAV, so it makes no difference if the contract is back-loaded. Back to square one. The way to get there is through reduced salary for Cole for the next two years with a player's option for years 3-6 and trading Reddick and a prospect for a bag of oranges. By using the player's option the AAV stays lower until the option is utilized and then you get slammed. So if the deal were structured with a 22 million dollar salary for the next two years and a buy out of 20 million if the player exercises it then all we get hit with for the next two years is 22 million per. That combined with the reduction with the Reddick trade and we barely get under but would still have to shed deals for Sanchez, Marisnick, Devo, and find a couple of cheap options for catcher. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 17, 2019 6:53:04 GMT -6
I know... but if they delay Springer's extension, to weigh more in later years, it will be better than I advertised. Again, the cap is based on AAV, so it makes no difference if the contract is back-loaded. Back to square one. Well Crane will have to go into the luxury to re-sign Cole and extend Springer. Keeping Springer may have to wait until after next season, when he is a pending FA. Regardless to make Cole re-signing work, both Correa and Reddick needed to be traded. Marisnick and Devo will not be offered arbitration. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 17, 2019 6:57:15 GMT -6
Again, the cap is based on AAV, so it makes no difference if the contract is back-loaded. Back to square one. The way to get there is through reduced salary for Cole for the next two years with a player's option for years 3-6 and trading Reddick and a prospect for a bag of oranges. By using the player's option the AAV stays lower until the option is utilized and then you get slammed. So if the deal were structured with a 22 million dollar salary for the next two years and a buy out of 20 million if the player exercises it then all we get hit with for the next two years is 22 million per. That combined with the reduction with the Reddick trade and we barely get under but would still have to shed deals for Sanchez, Marisnick, Devo, and find a couple of cheap options for catcher. I forgot you were the one that original ly proposed this....I like it, but first I would extend Verlander even one more on top of the extension he just got, so he is through 2022....and for Cole's contract, his player options happen after the 2022 season. |
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Post by m240 on Sept 17, 2019 7:32:39 GMT -6
The way to get there is through reduced salary for Cole for the next two years with a player's option for years 3-6 and trading Reddick and a prospect for a bag of oranges. By using the player's option the AAV stays lower until the option is utilized and then you get slammed. So if the deal were structured with a 22 million dollar salary for the next two years and a buy out of 20 million if the player exercises it then all we get hit with for the next two years is 22 million per. That combined with the reduction with the Reddick trade and we barely get under but would still have to shed deals for Sanchez, Marisnick, Devo, and find a couple of cheap options for catcher. I forgot you were the one that original ly proposed this....I like it, but first I would extend Verlander even one more on top of the extension he just got, so he is through 2022....and for Cole's contract, his player options happen after the 2022 season. I would like to take credit for figuring this out but I read it in the Athletic |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 17, 2019 8:05:10 GMT -6
Hopefully they do away with the salary cap when the next agreement is settled. It might be the one thing that keeps the players from striking. That cap, I believe, leads to some of the weak FA payouts we've seen lately.
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Post by Saint on Sept 17, 2019 8:23:53 GMT -6
I don't think it's the salary cap. I think it's owners and GMs realizing that they don't have to pay mediocre middle-aged free agents a ton of money when younger healthier guys can do the same or better for far less.
Players need to be paid more when they're younger and more productive to make it more fair. Some of the older veterans may be annoyed with the current generation, but people should be paid for what they produce. If you produce as you're older (like JV) you'll still get paid well. If you don't produce (Pujols, Cabrera, Davis) you don't get paid 7+ figures.
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Post by olpapa on Sept 17, 2019 11:28:29 GMT -6
I wonder what Springer would get in arbitration (or in a one year deal to avoid arbitration) this offseason. The Astros will have more wiggle room to give him a extension with a greater AAV in the offseason after the 2020 season and the AAV of an extension signed after the 2020 season would not factor into the calculation of the 2020 luxury tax.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 12:32:32 GMT -6
I wonder what Springer would get in arbitration (or in a one year deal to avoid arbitration) this offseason. The Astros will have more wiggle room to give him a extension with a greater AAV in the offseason after the 2020 season and the AAV of an extension signed after the 2020 season would not factor into the calculation of the 2020 luxury tax. Springer is the heart and soul of this team. Signing him long term is imperative. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 12:33:11 GMT -6
I wonder what Springer would get in arbitration (or in a one year deal to avoid arbitration) this offseason. The Astros will have more wiggle room to give him a extension with a greater AAV in the offseason after the 2020 season and the AAV of an extension signed after the 2020 season would not factor into the calculation of the 2020 luxury tax. Springer is the heart and soul of this team. Signing him long term is imperative. |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 17, 2019 13:30:39 GMT -6
I wonder what Springer would get in arbitration (or in a one year deal to avoid arbitration) this offseason. The Astros will have more wiggle room to give him a extension with a greater AAV in the offseason after the 2020 season and the AAV of an extension signed after the 2020 season would not factor into the calculation of the 2020 luxury tax. Springer is the heart and soul of this team. Signing him long term is imperative. I agree on both points. My point is that Brantley ($16 million), Reddick ($13 million) and Gurriel ($8 million) all come off the books after next season and Springer has one trip through arbitration remaining this offseason. If Luhnow is going to have a shot at re-signing Cole this offseason, he is going to have to get creative. If he packaged Reddick or Brantley in a deal with Correa this offseason he could free up at least $18 million to $24 million to go toward re-signing Cole. Moving Devenski, Marisnick and Biagini and replacing them with league minimum guys would be easily doable and would save another $3-4 million. Diaz is another possibility to be moved and replaced with a league minimum guy to save another $1.5 - $2 million toward re-signing Cole. Unless I’m missing something, signing Cole AND extending Springer this offseason might be a tall order. The salaries of Reddick or Brantley (whichever was not traded this offseason) and Yuli coming of the books after next season would go a long way toward extending Springer next offseason. All that said, if it becomes obvious that Cole will not re-sign with us this offseason, then; of course, turn your attention to extending Springer this offseason. |
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Post by talshill on Sept 17, 2019 20:58:51 GMT -6
September record 11-4 101 RS 56 RA
YTD 99-53 867 RS 609 RA
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9/2 @ Brewers W 3-2
9/3 @ Brewers L 2-4
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9/5 vs. Mariners W 11-9
9/6 vs. Mariners W 7-4
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9/8 vs. Mariners W 21-1
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9/21 vs. Angels
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9/23 OFF
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jayfree 15-10 160 RS 131 RA
marshall 16-9 150 RS 100 RA
bortaz 16-9 138 RS 121 RA
txheat10k 16-9 141 RS 121 RA
talshill 17-8 129 RS 99 RA
blcoach8 18-7 144 RS 105 RA
m240 18-7 148 RS 103 RA
thomasj13 19-6: 157 RS, 103 RA
Saint 20-5: 165 RS, 90 RA
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 17, 2019 22:35:44 GMT -6
I wonder what Springer would get in arbitration (or in a one year deal to avoid arbitration) this offseason. The Astros will have more wiggle room to give him a extension with a greater AAV in the offseason after the 2020 season and the AAV of an extension signed after the 2020 season would not factor into the calculation of the 2020 luxury tax. Springer is the heart and soul of this team. Signing him long term is imperative. Amen. I am glad I am not the only one who thinks it.He must be extended. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 17, 2019 22:37:39 GMT -6
Springer is the heart and soul of this team. Signing him long term is imperative. I agree on both points. My point is that Brantley ($16 million), Reddick ($13 million) and Gurriel ($8 million) all come off the books after next season and Springer has one trip through arbitration remaining this offseason. If Luhnow is going to have a shot at re-signing Cole this offseason, he is going to have to get creative. If he packaged Reddick or Brantley in a deal with Correa this offseason he could free up at least $18 million to $24 million to go toward re-signing Cole. Moving Devenski, Marisnick and Biagini and replacing them with league minimum guys would be easily doable and would save another $3-4 million. Diaz is another possibility to be moved and replaced with a league minimum guy to save another $1.5 - $2 million toward re-signing Cole. Unless I’m missing something, signing Cole AND extending Springer this offseason might be a tall order. The salaries of Reddick or Brantley (whichever was not traded this offseason) and Yuli coming of the books after next season would go a long way toward extending Springer next offseason. All that said, if it becomes obvious that Cole will not re-sign with us this offseason, then; of course, turn your attention to extending Springer this offseason. I think Tucker has shown enough to allow them to deal Reddick. I would try to extend Brantley and Yuli to reasonable deals. |
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Post by talshill on Sept 18, 2019 20:47:38 GMT -6
September record 12-4 104 RS 58 RA
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9/6 vs. Mariners W 7-4
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9/9 vs. A's W 15-0
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9/11 vs. A's L 3-5
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jayfree 15-10 160 RS 131 RA
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m240 18-7 148 RS 103 RA
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Post by Saint on Sept 19, 2019 10:58:49 GMT -6
With 9 games left against some very bad teams, we could blow our previous win record from last year out of the water. 7-2 or 8-1 are certainly attainable results these last three series.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 19, 2019 11:17:17 GMT -6
With 9 games left against some very bad teams, we could blow our previous win record from last year out of the water. 7-2 or 8-1 are certainly attainable results these last three series. Can the Angels beat the Yanks one more time today? |
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Post by Saint on Sept 19, 2019 12:04:39 GMT -6
With 9 games left against some very bad teams, we could blow our previous win record from last year out of the water. 7-2 or 8-1 are certainly attainable results these last three series. Can the Angels beat the Yanks one more time today? I doubt it, but I didn't expect them to even once. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 19, 2019 12:06:55 GMT -6
Can the Angels beat the Yanks one more time today? I doubt it, but I didn't expect them to even once. Yankees losing 2 of 3 from the Jays and now 1 of 2 from the Angels is pretty awesome. |
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Post by m240 on Sept 21, 2019 7:17:47 GMT -6
Houston now has a two game lead in the loss column on the Dodgers and the Yankees.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 9:04:22 GMT -6
Houston now has a two game lead in the loss column on the Dodgers and the Yankees. 3 game lead, when you take account we own the tiebreaker with both of them. |
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Post by m240 on Sept 21, 2019 9:23:29 GMT -6
Houston now has a two game lead in the loss column on the Dodgers and the Yankees. 3 game lead, when you take account we own the tiebreaker with both of them. mo betta |
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Post by talshill on Sept 21, 2019 11:50:33 GMT -6
September record 13-4 110 RS 62 RA
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9/2 @ Brewers W 3-2
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9/5 vs. Mariners W 11-9
9/6 vs. Mariners W 7-4
9/7 vs. Mariners W 2-1
9/8 vs. Mariners W 21-1
9/9 vs. A's W 15-0
9/10 vs. A's L 7-21
9/11 vs. A's L 3-5
9/12 vs. A's L 2-3
9/13 @ Royals W 4-1
9/14 @ Royals W 6-1
9/15 @ Royals W 12-3
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9/17 vs. Rangers W 4-1
9/18 vs. Rangers W 3-2
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9/20 vs. Angels W 6-4
9/21 vs. Angels
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9/30 End of Regular Season
jayfree 15-10 160 RS 131 RA
marshall 16-9 150 RS 100 RA
bortaz 16-9 138 RS 121 RA
txheat10k 16-9 141 RS 121 RA
talshill 17-8 129 RS 99 RA
blcoach8 18-7 144 RS 105 RA
m240 18-7 148 RS 103 RA
thomasj13 19-6: 157 RS, 103 RA
Saint 20-5: 165 RS, 90 RA
KoolAde2 20-5 173 RS, 101 RA
OlPapa 21-4 192 RS 100 RA Endangered
Sempersmom 22-3 175 RS 95 RA Kaboom!!
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