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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 18:33:30 GMT -6
BTW, going on a road trip soon and will be gone for a few weeks. Not sure how many games I will be a part of Gonna do some flashing? Domestic or international? Domestic this time but some definite camera action.
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Post by olpapa on Sept 2, 2019 18:38:59 GMT -6
Gonna do some flashing? Domestic or international? Domestic this time but some definite camera action.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 18:49:15 GMT -6
Domestic this time but some definite camera action.
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Post by olpapa on Sept 2, 2019 18:56:26 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Sept 2, 2019 21:59:23 GMT -6
14 to finish it! Pay that man Luhnow! Do you think 5 years $150 million would do it? Would you go 5 years $165 million? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 2, 2019 22:09:42 GMT -6
14 to finish it! Pay that man Luhnow! Do you think 5 years $150 million would do it? Would you go 5 years $165 million? 5 years/165M...team option year 6 for 35M |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 2, 2019 22:11:48 GMT -6
14 to finish it! Pay that man Luhnow! Do you think 5 years $150 million would do it? Would you go 5 years $165 million? I would offer 5 for $150 million but would go $165 million. If we can lock him up and have a healthy McCullers, our staff would be stronger than ever. I would also try to re-sign Miley. |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 2, 2019 22:14:35 GMT -6
Do you think 5 years $150 million would do it? Would you go 5 years $165 million? 5 years/165M...team option year 6 for 35M Wouldn’t pay him more AAV than Verlander. If 5 years at the same AAV that Verlander got on his 2-year deal won’t do it, I’d let him walk. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 2, 2019 22:19:32 GMT -6
Do you think 5 years $150 million would do it? Would you go 5 years $165 million? I would offer 5 for $150 million but would go $165 million. If we can lock him up and have a healthy McCullers, our staff would be stronger than ever. I would also try to re-sign Miley. I would be for that, but trading away Correa to get either packages including Dustin May or Set Lugo. McCullers to the pen Rotation Verlander Cole Greinke May or Lugo Whitley Pressly Osuna McCullers James Peacock Javier or Bielak |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 2, 2019 22:20:08 GMT -6
5 years/165M...team option year 6 for 35M Wouldn’t pay him more AAV than Verlander. If 5 years at the same AAV that Verlander got on his 2-year deal won’t do it, I’d let him walk. Isn't Verlander at $33M a year? |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 2, 2019 22:32:47 GMT -6
Wouldn’t pay him more AAV than Verlander. If 5 years at the same AAV that Verlander got on his 2-year deal won’t do it, I’d let him walk. Isn't Verlander at $33M a year? Yes. He signed a 2-year extension at $33 million per year. 5 years at $33 million for Cole would be $165 million, right? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 2, 2019 22:34:07 GMT -6
I would offer 5 for $150 million but would go $165 million. If we can lock him up and have a healthy McCullers, our staff would be stronger than ever. I would also try to re-sign Miley. I would be for that, but trading away Correa to get either packages including Dustin May or Set Lugo. McCullers to the pen Rotation Verlander Cole Greinke May or Lugo Whitley Pressly Osuna McCullers James Peacock Javier or Bielak I am OK with that. I hope they don't decide to hold on to Correa and let him walk. We can get a good return for him if we trade him this winter. He is a good player when not on vacation......I am tired of his "issues", which, for some reason, seem to pop up out of the blue with no explanation as to how they developed. I still don't believe a massage cracked his rib. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 2, 2019 22:35:23 GMT -6
Isn't Verlander at $33M a year? Yes. He signed a 2-year extension at $33 million per year. 5 years at $33 million for Cole would be $165 million, right? I think a yearly salary equal to Verlander's gets him and I think it takes that or we lose him. |
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Post by marshall on Sept 2, 2019 23:56:54 GMT -6
I would offer 5 for $150 million but would go $165 million. If we can lock him up and have a healthy McCullers, our staff would be stronger than ever. I would also try to re-sign Miley. I would be for that, but trading away Correa to get either packages including Dustin May or Set Lugo. McCullers to the pen Rotation Verlander Cole Greinke May or Lugo Whitley Pressly Osuna McCullers James Peacock Javier or Bielak I'm over counting on Whitley to come around at this point. He's a tease rather than an actual prospect. |
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Post by marshall on Sept 3, 2019 0:07:24 GMT -6
Wouldn’t pay him more AAV than Verlander. If 5 years at the same AAV that Verlander got on his 2-year deal won’t do it, I’d let him walk. Isn't Verlander at $33M a year? I'd offer 6 years and 200M just to reach the magic numbers and see if that would get it dome. But that's my upper limit, even for a Cy Young worthy pitcher. But even if he's worth it, the Astros might not be able to go there. We can't keep everyone we want to keep. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 0:59:14 GMT -6
Isn't Verlander at $33M a year? I'd offer 6 years and 200M just to reach the magic numbers and see if that would get it dome. But that's my upper limit, even for a Cy Young worthy pitcher. But even if he's worth it, the Astros might not be able to go there. We can't keep everyone we want to keep. The problem with signing him for 6 years is we have no idea what our team will be like in 3 years.
We currently don't have the prospects like we've had over the past few years and will have to either trade to get them from another team or have a bad year or two to draft them. Trading Correa would indeed be our best shot at getting some almost ready prospects to this team.
I'm not convinced that after 2022 that this Astros team will still be on top of the league once Verlander and Correa are gone and most likely Yuli. We'd still have Bregman; Altuve and Alvarez to count on but we'd have to replace Brantley, hope Tucker can fill a void and still have 3 other starting pitchers surround Greinke and Cole(if we re-signed him for that long). Furthermore, does re-signing Cole take the possibility away from re-signing Springer? Do you really want Marisnickkk taking over center field everyday?
I'm all for wanting Cole to be here but how are we going to replace guys currently on the team to be as competitive? If the answer is yes we will still have Springer then okay but if the answer is no then hmmmm.
Is Springer at his skill set more valuable than Cole right now? He may be if we can lock him up to save $10 mill a season and use that towards another SP (two for one).
2b Altuve ss Bregman lf FA?
dh Alvarez rf Tucker 1b FA? 3b Toro c Stubbs
cf Marisnickkk
SP Cole SP Greinke SP McCullers SP Whitley SP FA?
With this lineuup in 2022 and beyond we could still get to the playoffs but we would need some magic to fill in the gaps as our money would be all tied up at this point. Then again it's still 3 years away. Three years ago today we were out of the playoffs and hoping Bregman and Correa would be healthy and able to contribute (and Tucker and Alvarez were afterthoughts).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 1:04:20 GMT -6
Hold on, considering that Cole doesn't sign a no-trade clause... Why not give him what he wants knowing he most likely is not going to bomb (and hoping he doesn't come down with an injury) and if needed use his value in a future trade? Of course we would most likely have to eat some salary but if that's the worst case scenario then might as well go for it. We can still trade Correa for prospects and see how 2021 goes for us with Springer.
We definitely still need prospects however to keep our team going beyond. The problem with FA's is that the cost makes your window of winning very small compared to home grown talent.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 3, 2019 6:43:16 GMT -6
I'd offer 6 years and 200M just to reach the magic numbers and see if that would get it dome. But that's my upper limit, even for a Cy Young worthy pitcher. But even if he's worth it, the Astros might not be able to go there. We can't keep everyone we want to keep. The problem with signing him for 6 years is we have no idea what our team will be like in 3 years.
We currently don't have the prospects like we've had over the past few years and will have to either trade to get them from another team or have a bad year or two to draft them. Trading Correa would indeed be our best shot at getting some almost ready prospects to this team.
I'm not convinced that after 2022 that this Astros team will still be on top of the league once Verlander and Correa are gone and most likely Yuli. We'd still have Bregman; Altuve and Alvarez to count on but we'd have to replace Brantley, hope Tucker can fill a void and still have 3 other starting pitchers surround Greinke and Cole(if we re-signed him for that long). Furthermore, does re-signing Cole take the possibility away from re-signing Springer? Do you really want Marisnickkk taking over center field everyday?
I'm all for wanting Cole to be here but how are we going to replace guys currently on the team to be as competitive? If the answer is yes we will still have Springer then okay but if the answer is no then hmmmm.
Is Springer at his skill set more valuable than Cole right now? He may be if we can lock him up to save $10 mill a season and use that towards another SP (two for one).
2b Altuve ss Bregman lf FA?
dh Alvarez rf Tucker 1b FA? 3b Toro c Stubbs
cf Marisnickkk
SP Cole SP Greinke SP McCullers SP Whitley SP FA?
With this lineuup in 2022 and beyond we could still get to the playoffs but we would need some magic to fill in the gaps as our money would be all tied up at this point. Then again it's still 3 years away. Three years ago today we were out of the playoffs and hoping Bregman and Correa would be healthy and able to contribute (and Tucker and Alvarez were afterthoughts).
Re-sign Cole Extend Springer Trade Correa for a top pitching and maybe a top catching prospect. Straw replaces Marisnick. Tucker replaces Reddick. |
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Post by m240 on Sept 3, 2019 7:36:22 GMT -6
The problem with signing him for 6 years is we have no idea what our team will be like in 3 years.
We currently don't have the prospects like we've had over the past few years and will have to either trade to get them from another team or have a bad year or two to draft them. Trading Correa would indeed be our best shot at getting some almost ready prospects to this team.
I'm not convinced that after 2022 that this Astros team will still be on top of the league once Verlander and Correa are gone and most likely Yuli. We'd still have Bregman; Altuve and Alvarez to count on but we'd have to replace Brantley, hope Tucker can fill a void and still have 3 other starting pitchers surround Greinke and Cole(if we re-signed him for that long). Furthermore, does re-signing Cole take the possibility away from re-signing Springer? Do you really want Marisnickkk taking over center field everyday?
I'm all for wanting Cole to be here but how are we going to replace guys currently on the team to be as competitive? If the answer is yes we will still have Springer then okay but if the answer is no then hmmmm.
Is Springer at his skill set more valuable than Cole right now? He may be if we can lock him up to save $10 mill a season and use that towards another SP (two for one).
2b Altuve ss Bregman lf FA?
dh Alvarez rf Tucker 1b FA? 3b Toro c Stubbs
cf Marisnickkk
SP Cole SP Greinke SP McCullers SP Whitley SP FA?
With this lineuup in 2022 and beyond we could still get to the playoffs but we would need some magic to fill in the gaps as our money would be all tied up at this point. Then again it's still 3 years away. Three years ago today we were out of the playoffs and hoping Bregman and Correa would be healthy and able to contribute (and Tucker and Alvarez were afterthoughts).
Re-sign Cole Extend Springer Trade Correa for a top pitching and maybe a top catching prospect. Straw replaces Marisnick. Tucker replaces Reddick. I think Pena will take over the short stop duties by 2022. Toro can take the 1st base gig or perhaps the lf gig. We have some interesting arms still developing and I think Javier will be a solid starter by then. Bielak as well. Whitley, who knows everyone it seems has an off year from time to time so perhaps this one is his after such a crazy year last year. Think Giolito he was a can't miss, then injured, then bust, then pretty good sp. Straw definitely takes over in cf with Springer in RF, and Tucker in left. We would get at least 3 top 100 guys for Correa so we still have a little run left in the tank I think. |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 3, 2019 8:08:37 GMT -6
In March 2013, Verlander had just turned 30 years old when Detroit signed him to a 7-year, $180 million contract with a $22 million vesting option that would kick in if Verlander finished in the top 5 in the 2019 Cy Young voting (Verlander waived that $22 million vesting option as a condition of the trade to Houston. The extension he signed pays him $33 million for 2020 so he came out ok 🙂).
Cole turns 29 this coming Sunday. Looking at Cole’s ERA and K numbers for his 7 year career so far and comparing them to the 7 years of JV’s career prior to his signing in 2013, Coles numbers are comparable. Cole will be coming off a year comparable to the year JV had in 2012 when Boras is negotiating Cole’s next contract this offseason. You can bet all of that is going to be brought up at negotiations, along with the fact that Cole will be a year younger than JV was when he signed in March 2013.
As a starting point for negotiations, I’m betting Boras will be shooting for a contract greater than JV’s $33 million AAV and at least equal to the 7-year deal JV got at age 30 in terms of length of contract.....something like 7 years, $35 million AAV and a $30 million vesting option for an 8th year. That’s a 7-year $245 million contract with a possibility of becoming an 8-year deal for $275 million. That is what I think Luhnow will be facing in negotiations. I don’t think Luhnow will go for that nor would I. The Skankees might though.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 3, 2019 8:22:38 GMT -6
I think it is a virtual impossibility to plan for 2022, sitting here in 2019.
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Post by olpapa on Sept 3, 2019 8:29:53 GMT -6
I think it is a virtual impossibility to plan for 2022, sitting here in 2019. That's what Luhnow gets the big bucks for. Glad it’s him and not Voodoo |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 8:45:59 GMT -6
I think it is a virtual impossibility to plan for 2022, sitting here in 2019. In the era of when a couple of decisons might cost a half a billion dollars? Your are damn right. |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 3, 2019 8:56:34 GMT -6
If we don’t re-sign any of these guys, we have these contracts coming off the books:
2020 -
Joe Smith - $8 million
Rondon - $4.5 million
Miley - $4.5 million
Chirinos - $5.75 million
Maldanado - $.82 million
Cole - $13.5 million
McHugh - $5.8 million
Harris - $4.225 million
Of that group I would try to re-sign Cole, Miley and Harris with Cole being my first priority. If my math is right, letting the others walk would free up approximately $24+ million to go toward re-signing Cole, Miley and Harris.
2021 -
Brantley - $16 million
Reddick - $13 million
Springer - ? (due to go through Arb for a 4th time this offseason, if not re-signed)
Gurriel - $8 million
Peacock -? (Arb 3 in 2020)
Marisnick -? (Arb 4 n 2020)
Sanchez - ? (Arb 3 in 2020)
Of that group I would try to re-sign Springer and maybe Yuli and Sanchez. Letting the others walk should free up around $35 million or so.
I believe Luhnow can re-sign both Cole this off season and Springer by next offseason. It will take some tinkering and some of our prospects coming through to fill holes, but I think Luhnow can pull it off if anyone can.
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Post by Saint on Sept 3, 2019 9:13:56 GMT -6
I just hope we can get one more championship this year, because next year and beyond become big question marks.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 3, 2019 9:15:00 GMT -6
If we don’t re-sign any of these guys, we have these contracts coming off the books: 2020 - Joe Smith - $8 million Rondon - $4.5 million Miley - $4.5 million Chirinos - $5.75 million Maldanado - $.82 million Cole - $13.5 million McHugh - $5.8 million Harris - $4.225 million Of that group I would try to re-sign Cole, Miley and Harris with Cole being my first priority. If my math is right, letting the others walk would free up approximately $24+ million to go toward re-signing Cole, Miley and Harris. 2021 - Brantley - $16 million Reddick - $13 million Springer - ? (due to go through Arb for a 4th time this offseason, if not re-signed) Gurriel - $8 million Peacock -? (Arb 3 in 2020) Marisnick -? (Arb 4 n 2020) Sanchez - ? (Arb 3 in 2020) Of that group I would try to re-sign Springer and maybe Yuli and Sanchez. Letting the others walk should free up around $35 million or so. I believe Luhnow can re-sign both Cole this off season and Springer by next offseason. It will take some tinkering and some of our prospects coming through to fill holes, but I think Luhnow can pull it off if anyone can. I agree ...Crane has turned out to be a way better owner than I expected....And Luhnow is the best GM in baseball. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 3, 2019 9:16:37 GMT -6
I just hope we can get one more championship this year, because next year and beyond become big question marks. I feel the Astros have the best chance of any MLB team for this year....and if they can re-sign Cole, thus not letting the Yankees sign him, I put them as favorites for next year. |
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Post by bannedfan on Sept 3, 2019 10:57:15 GMT -6
14 to finish it! Pay that man Luhnow! Do you think 5 years $150 million would do it? Would you go 5 years $165 million? In a perfect world it's 5 years and $30 million a season. I don't think he signs with Houston. Got to thinking he may go west coast being that's where he's from. The Dodgers maybe.
I think the Astros have a better chance of resigning Miley. Time will tell.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 3, 2019 11:17:29 GMT -6
The problem with signing him for 6 years is we have no idea what our team will be like in 3 years.
We currently don't have the prospects like we've had over the past few years and will have to either trade to get them from another team or have a bad year or two to draft them. Trading Correa would indeed be our best shot at getting some almost ready prospects to this team.
I'm not convinced that after 2022 that this Astros team will still be on top of the league once Verlander and Correa are gone and most likely Yuli. We'd still have Bregman; Altuve and Alvarez to count on but we'd have to replace Brantley, hope Tucker can fill a void and still have 3 other starting pitchers surround Greinke and Cole(if we re-signed him for that long). Furthermore, does re-signing Cole take the possibility away from re-signing Springer? Do you really want Marisnickkk taking over center field everyday?
I'm all for wanting Cole to be here but how are we going to replace guys currently on the team to be as competitive? If the answer is yes we will still have Springer then okay but if the answer is no then hmmmm.
Is Springer at his skill set more valuable than Cole right now? He may be if we can lock him up to save $10 mill a season and use that towards another SP (two for one).
2b Altuve ss Bregman lf FA?
dh Alvarez rf Tucker 1b FA? 3b Toro c Stubbs
cf Marisnickkk
SP Cole SP Greinke SP McCullers SP Whitley SP FA?
With this lineuup in 2022 and beyond we could still get to the playoffs but we would need some magic to fill in the gaps as our money would be all tied up at this point. Then again it's still 3 years away. Three years ago today we were out of the playoffs and hoping Bregman and Correa would be healthy and able to contribute (and Tucker and Alvarez were afterthoughts).
Re-sign Cole Extend Springer Trade Correa for a top pitching and maybe a top catching prospect. Straw replaces Marisnick. Tucker replaces Reddick. I totally concur with those 5 suggestions. I am even OK with Straw replacing Jake if he proves he can come close to matching him defensively.I have always prioritized defense and hate to dump a good defensive OF like Jake.l I'd deal Correa at the end of this season. I'm tired of dealing with all of his unexplained "issues." |
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Post by olpapa on Sept 3, 2019 16:29:44 GMT -6
I just hope we can get one more championship this year, because next year and beyond become big question marks. I feel the Astros have the best chance of any MLB team for this year....and if they can re-sign Cole, thus not letting the Yankees sign him, I put them as favorites for next year. If the Astros re-sign Cole and extend Springer, I see them as WS contenders through 2021. JV, Greinke and McCullers are FA in 2022. Hopefully by then we have a couple of our SP prospects ready to step in at the ML level. JV’s and Greinke’s contracts coming off the books in 2022 will free up a lot of money, part of which can be used to re-sign McCullers if he comes back strong from TJS and remains healthy. |
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