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Post by olpapa on Sept 19, 2019 8:13:21 GMT -6
I could see Sanchez being non-tendered. The team holds a $2.625 million club option on Devenski for 2020. I don’t see the team exercising that option. I could see him being non-tendered. I can see Biagini being non-tendered. All of those guys can be replaced with minimum salary players. I think Jake will be traded and replaced by Straw. Straw can also back up at SS and 2B. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Diaz traded and replaced by Toro. Toro can back up at 1B, 2B and 3B.
If Correa is traded, Toro can take over at 3B with Bregman moving to SS. In this scenario Tanielu could replace Diaz in the utility infielder role.
I like thomas13’s idea to re-sign Chirinos and have Stubbs as his backup in 2020.
It is going to be an interesting offseason for sure.
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 19, 2019 8:31:30 GMT -6
I am for re-signing Chirinos to a 2 year/$10M deal, if he would take it. Stubbs should be the back-up catcher. That would be the biggest OS other contract, if the Astros could somehow pull off re-signing Cole. Re-signing Cole would probably prohibit doing anything with Springer until after next season. If Astros don't re-sign Cole, then Luhnow can go after Wheeler and go ahead extend Springer. *Still need to trade Reddick and Correa. I would do a 1-year contract for $6-8 million with an option year if he meets certain marks. I would be for that too. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 19, 2019 8:39:07 GMT -6
I would do a 1-year contract for $6-8 million with an option year if he meets certain marks. I would be for that too. At his age and position I'm just hesitant about multiple years guaranteed, even if it isn't that much money. Especially for a position player that won't play much more than 100 games in a season. And I still say, as you and others have, if the team decides to move Correa in the offseason, as they should, it should be for pitching and a young respectable catcher with club control for a few years. (Somebody like Carson Kelly, for example.) |
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Post by marshall on Sept 19, 2019 15:09:07 GMT -6
I don't know that we can count on McCullers to stay healthy unless he is in the bullpen, and I'm not sure if Miley can actually repeat his performance even if we did bring him back. I'm worried it will be Verlander-Greinke-Mediocre FA-?-? with no depth. Our offense should be similarly good, and I feel we have a good amount of depth and utility on the bench. Our bullpen is also questionable after Pressly and Osuna. I trust Luhnow to get us what we need. No one thought we would have Greinke this season. Ahem... |
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Post by marshall on Sept 19, 2019 15:21:58 GMT -6
Borg aged better:  I don't know... This is supposed to be one of the most recent Jolene Blaylock photos (Enterprise - T'Pol)  Saline ages well. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 19, 2019 15:46:57 GMT -6
Chirinos has done enough to deserve a two-year deal. He and Verlander work well together so don't mess with that. Stubbs should be the back-up. I am for giving Cole just about whatever it takes to re-sign him. Keeping him, Verlander, and Greinke as our top 3 gives us the best top 3 in the game. I think Tucker is ready to replace Reddick and I just want Correa gone.
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Post by Saint on Sept 19, 2019 15:55:06 GMT -6
Chirinos has done enough to deserve a two-year deal. He and Verlander work well together so don't mess with that. Stubbs should be the back-up. I am for giving Cole just about whatever it takes to re-sign him. Keeping him, Verlander, and Greinke as our top 3 gives us the best top 3 in the game. I think Tucker is ready to replace Reddick and I just want Correa gone. The mindset of paying people for what they've done, rather than for what they are likely to do is what has gotten baseball contracts/free agency in the bind they're now in. Do you really think it's a good idea to give a guaranteed 2-year deal to a 35 year old catcher who has never played more than 113 games in a season? I'm good with another 1-year deal with an option 2nd year at best. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 19, 2019 16:32:38 GMT -6
Chirinos has done enough to deserve a two-year deal. He and Verlander work well together so don't mess with that. Stubbs should be the back-up. I am for giving Cole just about whatever it takes to re-sign him. Keeping him, Verlander, and Greinke as our top 3 gives us the best top 3 in the game. I think Tucker is ready to replace Reddick and I just want Correa gone. The mindset of paying people for what they've done, rather than for what they are likely to do is what has gotten baseball contracts/free agency in the bind they're now in. Do you really think it's a good idea to give a guaranteed 2-year deal to a 35 year old catcher who has never played more than 113 games in a season? I'm good with another 1-year deal with an option 2nd year at best. I don’t know. Correa plays less than most starting catchers and will want megabucks. It seems like a deal from that standpoint. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 19, 2019 16:40:17 GMT -6
Chirinos has done enough to deserve a two-year deal. He and Verlander work well together so don't mess with that. Stubbs should be the back-up. I am for giving Cole just about whatever it takes to re-sign him. Keeping him, Verlander, and Greinke as our top 3 gives us the best top 3 in the game. I think Tucker is ready to replace Reddick and I just want Correa gone. The mindset of paying people for what they've done, rather than for what they are likely to do is what has gotten baseball contracts/free agency in the bind they're now in. Do you really think it's a good idea to give a guaranteed 2-year deal to a 35 year old catcher who has never played more than 113 games in a season? I'm good with another 1-year deal with an option 2nd year at best. I think you reward guys for their contributions to the team and its success. He has done more than was expected of him and has earned a two-year extension. You want a happy catcher.....Chirinos loves being here and the pitchers love throwing to him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 19, 2019 16:41:20 GMT -6
The mindset of paying people for what they've done, rather than for what they are likely to do is what has gotten baseball contracts/free agency in the bind they're now in. Do you really think it's a good idea to give a guaranteed 2-year deal to a 35 year old catcher who has never played more than 113 games in a season? I'm good with another 1-year deal with an option 2nd year at best. I don’t know. Correa plays less than most starting catchers and will want megabucks. It seems like a deal from that standpoint. Agreed.......no way in hell should we give this slacker close to what he will want. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 20, 2019 7:19:37 GMT -6
The mindset of paying people for what they've done, rather than for what they are likely to do is what has gotten baseball contracts/free agency in the bind they're now in. Do you really think it's a good idea to give a guaranteed 2-year deal to a 35 year old catcher who has never played more than 113 games in a season? I'm good with another 1-year deal with an option 2nd year at best. I don’t know. Correa plays less than most starting catchers and will want megabucks. It seems like a deal from that standpoint. And we shouldn't give it to him either. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 20, 2019 7:20:11 GMT -6
The mindset of paying people for what they've done, rather than for what they are likely to do is what has gotten baseball contracts/free agency in the bind they're now in. Do you really think it's a good idea to give a guaranteed 2-year deal to a 35 year old catcher who has never played more than 113 games in a season? I'm good with another 1-year deal with an option 2nd year at best. I think you reward guys for their contributions to the team and its success. He has done more than was expected of him and has earned a two-year extension. You want a happy catcher.....Chirinos loves being here and the pitchers love throwing to him. He was rewarded. We paid him $5.75 million this year on top of the $1 million he got from Texas. edit: And he gets to play with Hall of Famers and go to the postseason with a real team. |
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Post by marshall on Sept 20, 2019 7:33:04 GMT -6
I remember a time long. long ago in a galaxy far, far away when the playoff check actually was a pretty good incentive to play on a good team. Now it's a quaint symbolic gesture.
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Post by Saint on Sept 20, 2019 7:40:04 GMT -6
Not for the rookies.
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 20, 2019 9:35:55 GMT -6
I think you reward guys for their contributions to the team and its success. He has done more than was expected of him and has earned a two-year extension. You want a happy catcher.....Chirinos loves being here and the pitchers love throwing to him. He was rewarded. We paid him $5.75 million this year on top of the $1 million he got from Texas. edit: And he gets to play with Hall of Famers and go to the postseason with a real team. No, we gave him the $5.75 million to sign with us.....we didn't reward him for anything because he played for the Rangers. What Texas paid him has nothing to do with his performance here. The pitchers.......especially Verlander.....give him credit for helping them be successful. Plus, tell me when was the last time we had a catcher who hit 17 home runs and drove in 56 runs on top of doing a great job of handling pitchers. For these reasons., Chirinos has earned a two-year deal with a raise. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 20, 2019 9:44:41 GMT -6
He was rewarded. We paid him $5.75 million this year on top of the $1 million he got from Texas. edit: And he gets to play with Hall of Famers and go to the postseason with a real team. No, we gave him the $5.75 million to sign with us.....we didn't reward him for anything because he played for the Rangers. What Texas paid him has nothing to do with his performance here. The pitchers.......especially Verlander.....give him credit for helping them be successful. Plus, tell me when was the last time we had a catcher who hit 17 home runs and drove in 56 runs on top of doing a great job of handling pitchers. For these reasons., Chirinos has earned a two-year deal with a raise. You're welcome to your opinion and he might get that type of contract, but it's the wrong train of thought, imo. Pay people for what you think they'll contribute, not for what they already have. That's what incentive bonuses are for if he had had that worked into his deal. Nobody is arguing that he didn't have a productive season for us, and, if he was 3-4 years younger, I'd probably agree with the contract idea, but he's old for a catcher. I wouldn't want to throw too much guaranteed money at him because of that reason. We have enough people that are owed a ton of money starting next year and you yourself have already said to pay Cole whatever he wants. You can't pay everybody a ton of money. It doesn't work that way. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 20, 2019 9:46:52 GMT -6
Paying players for past contributions is like paying Keuchel Cy Young money even though he hasn't been elite in a while
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Post by Saint on Sept 20, 2019 9:51:15 GMT -6
Yeah, he made a huge mistake passing up that extension he was offered.
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 20, 2019 10:10:53 GMT -6
I thought losing Keuchel would tax our pen more than it did. But we're 23rd in bullpen innings this year, compared to ranking 29th last year
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 20, 2019 10:18:11 GMT -6
I thought losing Keuchel would tax our pen more than it did. But we're 23rd in bullpen innings this year, compared to ranking 29th last year And that’s with starts by Framber and Miley. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 20, 2019 10:20:54 GMT -6
I thought losing Keuchel would tax our pen more than it did. But we're 23rd in bullpen innings this year, compared to ranking 29th last year And that’s with starts by Framber and Miley. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 20, 2019 10:42:41 GMT -6
And that’s with starts by Framber and Miley. More worried about base hits with RISP. |
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Post by bearbryant on Sept 20, 2019 11:01:51 GMT -6
Credit to the workhorses at the front of our rotation. If the position players can hit high-velocity heat in October, we may have a shot at this More worried about base hits with RISP. Regardless of the situation, postseason games tend to see more pitches above 95 MPH Since the Dodgers and Twins have been very good against fastballs 95+ this season while we and the Rays have been very poor, this is where I'm worried |
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 20, 2019 11:07:35 GMT -6
More worried about base hits with RISP. Regardless of the situation, postseason games tend to see more pitches above 95 MPH Since the Dodgers and Twins have been very good against fastballs 95+ this season while we and the Rays have been very poor, this is where I'm worried That’s surprising. I thought that was one area we were great at unless things changed. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 20, 2019 11:24:06 GMT -6
No, we gave him the $5.75 million to sign with us.....we didn't reward him for anything because he played for the Rangers. What Texas paid him has nothing to do with his performance here. The pitchers.......especially Verlander.....give him credit for helping them be successful. Plus, tell me when was the last time we had a catcher who hit 17 home runs and drove in 56 runs on top of doing a great job of handling pitchers. For these reasons., Chirinos has earned a two-year deal with a raise. You're welcome to your opinion and he might get that type of contract, but it's the wrong train of thought, imo. Pay people for what you think they'll contribute, not for what they already have. That's what incentive bonuses are for if he had had that worked into his deal. Nobody is arguing that he didn't have a productive season for us, and, if he was 3-4 years younger, I'd probably agree with the contract idea, but he's old for a catcher. I wouldn't want to throw too much guaranteed money at him because of that reason. We have enough people that are owed a ton of money starting next year and you yourself have already said to pay Cole whatever he wants. You can't pay everybody a ton of money. It doesn't work that way. I would pay Cole between $35-40 million a year if that is what it takes.....At his age, and using your tbeory of what we can expect from bim, he would be worth it.......Having him, Verlander, and Greinke for at least two more seasons guarantees more ticket and merchandise sales and would make us WS favorites. We have Altuve and Bregman under control and extendind Springer solidifis our group of core players. Alvarez is worth much more than we have to pay him for awhile. Tucker will be a bargain replacing Reddick. You spend money on what it takes to win because you suffer financially as an organization if you start losing. We have the financial resources to stay strong. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 20, 2019 11:31:38 GMT -6
You're welcome to your opinion and he might get that type of contract, but it's the wrong train of thought, imo. Pay people for what you think they'll contribute, not for what they already have. That's what incentive bonuses are for if he had had that worked into his deal. Nobody is arguing that he didn't have a productive season for us, and, if he was 3-4 years younger, I'd probably agree with the contract idea, but he's old for a catcher. I wouldn't want to throw too much guaranteed money at him because of that reason. We have enough people that are owed a ton of money starting next year and you yourself have already said to pay Cole whatever he wants. You can't pay everybody a ton of money. It doesn't work that way. I would pay Cole between $35-40 million a year if that is what it takes.....At his age, and using your tbeory of what we can expect from bim, he would be worth it.......Having him, Verlander, and Greinke for at least two more seasons guarantees more ticket and merchandise sales and would make us WS favorites. We have Altuve and Bregman under control and extendind Springer solidifis our group of core players. Alvarez is worth much more than we have to pay him for awhile. Tucker will be a bargain replacing Reddick. You spend money on what it takes to win because you suffer financially as an organization if you start losing. We have the financial resources to stay strong. Some of that is true, yes, but you have to have depth and paying 3-4 guys 30+ million a year each starts hurting that immediately. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 20, 2019 13:47:50 GMT -6
I would pay Cole between $35-40 million a year if that is what it takes.....At his age, and using your tbeory of what we can expect from bim, he would be worth it.......Having him, Verlander, and Greinke for at least two more seasons guarantees more ticket and merchandise sales and would make us WS favorites. We have Altuve and Bregman under control and extendind Springer solidifis our group of core players. Alvarez is worth much more than we have to pay him for awhile. Tucker will be a bargain replacing Reddick. You spend money on what it takes to win because you suffer financially as an organization if you start losing. We have the financial resources to stay strong. Some of that is true, yes, but you have to have depth and paying 3-4 guys 30+ million a year each starts hurting that immediately. Arizona is paying part of Greinke's salary. We are getting Springer this year for $12 million which is a bargain. Cole is making $13.5 million which is a steal. Springer should get twice what he's making now, if not more, on a new contract. It will take close to tripling Cole's salary to keep him. We can drop $16 million by trading Reddick. I agree we would have a high payroll, but, I think it would be taken care of by increased ticket and merchandise sales. Plus, we don't know when more TV revenue could enter the picture. This franchise is increasing in value by the year so Crane can afford to write big cbecks for top talent. We will be getting Tucker and Alvarez practicaly free. If we replace a Diaz with Toro or another young infielder, we lose Diaz's salary and I'm sure we will let Rondon and his $4.5 million paycheck go. I do agree with replacing Jake with Straw.......don't pass out. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 20, 2019 14:30:34 GMT -6
Some of that is true, yes, but you have to have depth and paying 3-4 guys 30+ million a year each starts hurting that immediately. Arizona is paying part of Greinke's salary. We are getting Springer this year for $12 million which is a bargain. Cole is making $13.5 million which is a steal. Springer should get twice what he's making now, if not more, on a new contract. It will take close to tripling Cole's salary to keep him. We can drop $16 million by trading Reddick. I agree we would have a high payroll, but, I think it would be taken care of by increased ticket and merchandise sales. Plus, we don't know when more TV revenue could enter the picture. This franchise is increasing in value by the year so Crane can afford to write big cbecks for top talent. We will be getting Tucker and Alvarez practicaly free. If we replace a Diaz with Toro or another young infielder, we lose Diaz's salary and I'm sure we will let Rondon and his $4.5 million paycheck go. I do agree with replacing Jake with Straw.......don't pass out. All of those figured you gave are for this year. Springer will make $15+ next year, Cole will make 30+, Verlander is making 30+, Altuve is making 29, Bregman 13, and Brantley 15. Those guys alone next year will make about $135 million, and that doesn't count the $20 or so we'll have to pay from Greinke. Plus you owe Gurriel 8, so now you're up to $160+ and you haven't touched the bullpen salaries, the bench, or the catching situation (and we're assuming we offload Reddick's and Correa's salaries somehow). I just don't see it happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:03:35 GMT -6
Paying players for past contributions is like paying Keuchel Cy Young money even though he hasn't been elite in a while Signing Kuechel would have made trading / (paying) Cole impossible. Luhnow you magnificent bastard. |
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