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Post by Saint on Sept 30, 2019 8:37:18 GMT -6
So here is the breakdown:
Verlander:
21-6 2.59 ERA (179 ERA+) 223 IP 300 K .803 WHIP 7.8 WAR
Case for: Led the league in Wins, IP, WHIP, K/BB, H/9, BAA, WAR for Pitchers
Threw a no-hitter and was pretty consistently great the whole season.
Cole:
20-5 2.50 ERA (185 ERA+) 212.1 IP 326 K .895 WHIP 6.8 WAR
Case for: Led the league in K, K/9, ERA, ERA+, FIP
Absolutely dominant in the 2nd half, set a record for most consecutive games with 10+ Ks, and went undefeated since June started.
While I wouldn't be surprised to see Cole win it, I believe JV should get the nod. Cole struggled the first couple months of the season and JV was most consistent, imo. Plus, Verlander did a better job of keeping guys off base even though Cole struck out more players. Plus JV again threw basically 1.5-2 games worth more innings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 9:22:09 GMT -6
I have cut/pasted this post from another thread. My WAR and WHIP #'s are a little different, but mostly note my comments on who wins and why....
Stat. JV Cole
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W's. 21 20
L's 6. 5
era 2.58 2.50
K's 300 326
WHIP .803 .890
WAR 7.7 7.4. (Though I hate WAR as a statistic)
One added intangible...... (Channeling my inner-OMB)
JV ruffled some feathers in the COB office earlier in the year by accusing (though correctly) the league of juicing the balls. Watch that shit storm re-ignite after the WS. Don't underestimate the diabolical tenacles of these SOB's (COB office). The COB office would like nothing better than to make it more difficult for us to sign Cole in free agency. How better to do that than to allow Cole to add a CYA to his resume'.
I say Cole wins it in a squeeker.
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Post by Saint on Sept 30, 2019 9:51:17 GMT -6
I have cut/pasted this post from another thread. My WAR and WHIP #'s are a little different, but mostly note my comments on who wins and why.... Stat. JV Cole ===== ====. ===== W's. 21 20 L's 6. 5 era 2.58 2.50 K's 300 326 WHIP .803 .890 WAR 7.7 7.4. (Though I hate WAR as a statistic) One added intangible...... (Channeling my inner-OMB) JV ruffled some feathers in the COB office earlier in the year by accusing (though correctly) the league of juicing the balls. Watch that shit storm re-ignite after the WS. Don't underestimate the diabolical tenacles of these SOB's (COB office). The COB office would like nothing better than to make it more difficult for us to sign Cole in free agency. How better to do that than to allow Cole to add a CYA to his resume'. I say Cole wins it in a squeeker. I pulled from www.baseball-reference.com but they're similar enough to not really matter. I don't know about the COB and all that, but I do think Cole could get more hype because of the strikeout numbers. However on the other side of things, I think a lot of writers/voters will prefer some of JV's magic this year (the no-hitter, the milestones) and the fact that he deserves another CY after being semi-screwed out of a 2nd award other times in his career. I mostly prefer JV because I think Cole will be in California next year and I'd rather an ongoing Astros player get it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 9:53:32 GMT -6
COB doesn't vote for CY.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 10:08:19 GMT -6
No he (they-office) doesn't. But you don't think the COB office doesn't have any sway or influence on the Baseball media? Access to teams, players, and managment is a powerful leverage tool. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 10:56:59 GMT -6
No he (they-office) doesn't. But you don't think the COB office doesn't have any sway or influence on the Baseball media? Access to teams, players, and managment is a powerful leverage tool. That access is contractually protected. Ask Verlander. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Sept 30, 2019 11:17:19 GMT -6
If we think the COB is pulling any funny stuff, I say we can always ask Adam Schiff investigate.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2019 11:57:43 GMT -6
He just demands Rawlings to juice the balls. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 13:25:12 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2019 13:29:06 GMT -6
The more Cole racks up these awards, the more Verlander loses ground.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 13:34:29 GMT -6
That month of September was fantabulous.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2019 13:40:21 GMT -6
That month of September was fantabulous. I can’t believe my hope of him winning 225 happened, though. Getting 21 wins seemed so far away considering the run support. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Sept 30, 2019 14:27:23 GMT -6
That month of September was fantabulous. I can’t believe my hope of him winning 225 happened, though. Getting 21 wins seemed so far away considering the run support. Astros control for two more years...he should be around 260 then ...if they over him another extension, it would be great to see him one day get 300 wins while wearing an Astros' uniform...He probably still would go in the HOF as a Tiger. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Sept 30, 2019 15:04:34 GMT -6
I can’t believe my hope of him winning 225 happened, though. Getting 21 wins seemed so far away considering the run support. Astros control for two more years...he should be around 260 then ...if they over him another extension, it would be great to see him one day get 300 wins while wearing an Astros' uniform...He probably still would go in the HOF as a Tiger. If we win a few more titles I could see him going in as an Astro |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 17:49:31 GMT -6
No he (they-office) doesn't. But you don't think the COB office doesn't have any sway or influence on the Baseball media? Access to teams, players, and managment is a powerful leverage tool. That access is contractually protected. Ask Verlander. Well, you have more faith in the integrity of the COB office than I do. You don't think that certain media outlets and / or writers get better or preferential aassignments or aceess than others? Seems the same ESPN or SI writers tend to get the plum articles or exposure. Check the MLB site, and watch the trends. Call me a bat shit crazy conspiracist all you want. My trust level of the COB office in the Selig /Manfred era on a scale of 1 to 10..... is a negative 100. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 18:02:28 GMT -6
You bat shit crazy conspiracist  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 18:08:37 GMT -6
You bat shit crazy conspiracist  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Sept 30, 2019 18:44:29 GMT -6
That access is contractually protected. Ask Verlander. Well, you have more faith in the integrity of the COB office than I do. You don't think that certain media outlets and / or writers get better or preferential aassignments or aceess than others? Seems the same ESPN or SI writers tend to get the plum articles or exposure. Check the MLB site, and watch the trends. Call me a bat shit crazy conspiracist all you want. My trust level of the COB office in the Selig /Manfred era on a scale of 1 to 10..... is a negative 100. I have had no confidence in the COB office since Selig made us play the Cubs in Milwaukee and it cost us a playoff spot. |
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Post by talshill on Sept 30, 2019 19:19:53 GMT -6
Man, I'm glad I don't have to decide. There's hardly a whit of difference between the two. I just hope Cole doesn't have a case of the nerves like he did in Boston last year, bouncing balls all over the place.
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Post by unionstation82 on Sept 30, 2019 20:43:50 GMT -6
Man, I'm glad I don't have to decide. There's hardly a whit of difference between the two. I just hope Cole doesn't have a case of the nerves like he did in Boston last year, bouncing balls all over the place. Even more egregious was Maldonado’s blocking skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 20:54:28 GMT -6
Well, you have more faith in the integrity of the COB office than I do. You don't think that certain media outlets and / or writers get better or preferential aassignments or aceess than others? Seems the same ESPN or SI writers tend to get the plum articles or exposure. Check the MLB site, and watch the trends. Call me a bat shit crazy conspiracist all you want. My trust level of the COB office in the Selig /Manfred era on a scale of 1 to 10..... is a negative 100. I have had no confidence in the COB office since Selig made us play the Cubs in Milwaukee and it cost us a playoff spot. Coach.... That's child's play versus the criminal deal Selig made with Drayton McLane , forcing the move of the Astros to the AL, quid quo pro as a contingency for a said approval of a sale to Crain. This criminal act allowed his f'n Brewers to remain in the NL Central, while we were being railroaded to the American League West. p.s the F'n Brewers originated in the AL West as the Seattle Pilots. We were f'ed minus the vaseline. The thought that Selig is old as dirt, will die soon, and will burn in hell..... gives me some satisfaction though. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 20:59:17 GMT -6
I'm glad we moved to the AL.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 21:01:37 GMT -6
I'm glad we moved to the AL. Not me... Cardinals, Cubs, and Reds were all more natural rivalries for us. Plus I hate staying up to midnight an extra 12 games a year. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 21:05:03 GMT -6
I do not believe we'd have the 2017 trophy had we remained in the NL.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 21:12:12 GMT -6
I do not believe we'd have the 2017 trophy had we remained in the NL. We beat the Dodgers best of 7 in '17 WS. Any reason why we wouldn't in a therortical '17 NLCS? |
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Post by batman007 on Sept 30, 2019 22:31:27 GMT -6
I was 100% pulling for Verlander until just a few minutes ago when I found out he already won a CYA. For some reason, I thought he won the MVP over the CYA, but not both at the same time. Now I'm 70/30 for Verlander (I like him more than I do Cole).
Don't really care though as long as one of ours gets it. Hell, I'd be fine if they just gave Co-CYA to both.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Sept 30, 2019 23:14:12 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Oct 1, 2019 6:32:10 GMT -6
Verlander’s 21 wins is impressive, especially considering the lack of run support he got at times over the course of the season. I just checked his game logs and there were 8 games he started in which he pitched at least 6 innings and allowed 3 or less runs, but ended up with either a loss or a no decision.
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Post by olpapa on Oct 1, 2019 6:39:44 GMT -6
Man, I'm glad I don't have to decide. There's hardly a whit of difference between the two. I just hope Cole doesn't have a case of the nerves like he did in Boston last year, bouncing balls all over the place. ... and throwing the ball over the first baseman’s head on a routine grounder back to the mound. That one really hurt. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 1, 2019 7:25:07 GMT -6
I'm a little surprised that people are this in favor of JV so far.
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