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Post by sempersmom on Oct 22, 2019 12:34:12 GMT -6
We're in the World Series! Ready for the game tonight.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 22, 2019 12:36:02 GMT -6
We're in the World Series! Ready for the game tonight. It has already gotten me into trouble because I informed me wife that I would not be attending my grandson's birthday dinner at Cracker Barrel because of the game tonight! |
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2019 12:41:56 GMT -6
Then maybe you're not as smart as I thought you were. You're surely not as smart as YOU think you are. I don't recall ever saying I was smart. I'm just a poster and a baseball fan. But this thread isn't about me. |
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Post by talshill on Oct 22, 2019 13:07:38 GMT -6
I'm surprised that you continue this narrative. Aren't/weren't you in law enforcement? Do you believe in innocence until proven guilty? If so, why keep labeling the man in absence of proof? Because: A. I think there was something. I think we're fooling ourselves otherwise. That being said, I wouldn't convict him in court, and I don't go outside of this board and spread anything about it. B. It also annoys Corch, which adds extra value. Maybe there was something. Maybe he beat the hell out of her. Maybe she's crying wolf or trying to extort him. Allegation isn't proof, nor is mere opinion. Since we DON'T KNOW the facts, I'd hope you wouldn't jump to conclusions, but I see it's too late for that. What the truth IS is what matters, not what someone thinks might have happened. But, hey, you're a grown-up and if you decide that's who you want to be, I can't stop you. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2019 13:24:38 GMT -6
Because: A. I think there was something. I think we're fooling ourselves otherwise. That being said, I wouldn't convict him in court, and I don't go outside of this board and spread anything about it. B. It also annoys Corch, which adds extra value. Maybe there was something. Maybe he beat the hell out of her. Maybe she's crying wolf or trying to extort him. Allegation isn't proof, nor is mere opinion. Since we DON'T KNOW the facts, I'd hope you wouldn't jump to conclusions, but I see it's too late for that. What the truth IS is what matters, not what someone thinks might have happened. But, hey, you're a grown-up and if you decide that's who you want to be, I can't stop you. Again, it's just what I think. I've seen too much smoke to not believe there's fire. I wouldn't convict him in court with what we know, but on a random message board posting amongst a few fans? Yeah, I think he did it, but I'm not on some vendetta to ruin his reputation on social media. |
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Post by marshall on Oct 22, 2019 13:40:48 GMT -6
Maybe there was something. Maybe he beat the hell out of her. Maybe she's crying wolf or trying to extort him. Allegation isn't proof, nor is mere opinion. Since we DON'T KNOW the facts, I'd hope you wouldn't jump to conclusions, but I see it's too late for that. What the truth IS is what matters, not what someone thinks might have happened. But, hey, you're a grown-up and if you decide that's who you want to be, I can't stop you. Again, it's just what I think. I've seen too much smoke to not believe there's fire. I wouldn't convict him in court with what we know, but on a random message board posting amongst a few fans? Yeah, I think he did it, but I'm not on some vendetta to ruin his reputation on social media. I've seen too much smoke introduced by vengeful accusers to believe that old adage. We don't know what we don't know so everyone gets both the benefit of the doubt AND appropriate suspicion concerning motives. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2019 13:46:44 GMT -6
Again, it's just what I think. I've seen too much smoke to not believe there's fire. I wouldn't convict him in court with what we know, but on a random message board posting amongst a few fans? Yeah, I think he did it, but I'm not on some vendetta to ruin his reputation on social media. I've seen too much smoke introduced by vengeful accusers to believe that old adage. We don't know what we don't know so everyone gets both the benefit of the doubt AND appropriate suspicion concerning motives. It's not up to me if he has a job or not or goes to court or not. I'm not out trying to build a case against him and convince the masses he's a scumbag, but I do believe he did it. People on this board don't like players because they strut, hit themselves in the face, have tattoos, hop after they swing, pull outside pitches, get injured a lot, feel they're worth more money than they're being offered, flip bats, etc. I don't see a problem with me not liking a guy because I believe he beat his ex-woman. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 22, 2019 13:48:57 GMT -6
Why do you believe he did it?
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 22, 2019 13:49:52 GMT -6
I'm surprised that you continue this narrative. Aren't/weren't you in law enforcement? Do you believe in innocence until proven guilty? If so, why keep labeling the man in absence of proof? Because: A. I think there was something. I think we're fooling ourselves otherwise. That being said, I wouldn't convict him in court, and I don't go outside of this board and spread anything about it. B. It also annoys Corch, which adds extra value. You are annoying in several ways. I won't take the time and space to list all of them. Unless you can post a link that proves Osuna was guilty of anything, let it drop. The big question should be "If Osuna was guilty of domestic abuse, why would the supposed victim, drop the complaint" or if there was evidence of his guilt, why did Luhnow make the deal knowing we had players who would not accept Osuna. Luhnow knew there was nothing to the allegations against Osuna before the trade was finalized. I know that you are not dumb enough to think a man who has never married could be a wife beater. For whatever reason, you should cease with that label since it can't be verified. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 22, 2019 13:51:01 GMT -6
Why do you believe he did it? I can't wait to see why he thinks Osuna is guilty. |
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Post by marshall on Oct 22, 2019 13:54:53 GMT -6
Why do you believe he did it? I can't wait to see why he thinks Osuna is guilty. Because he was accused and women NEVER lie to get what they want.
Fact Check. Both men and women LIE and need a savior.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 22, 2019 13:58:43 GMT -6
I can't wait to see why he thinks Osuna is guilty. Because he was accused and women NEVER lie to get what they want. If that is what he believes, he hasn't followed the cases of all the false charges brought against professional athletes by women who wanted to extort money from them and would lie out their asses to get it. He also doesn' know many men who lost custody or visitation rights with their children due to the lies told by the child's mother. I know some women who got custody of kids that should not be allowed around kids, let alone have custody of them. I think Osuna was the victim of such an extortion attempt. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 22, 2019 14:16:49 GMT -6
And without Derek Dietrich on the Astros. Or Realmuto. |
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Post by marshall on Oct 22, 2019 14:21:21 GMT -6
Because he was accused and women NEVER lie to get what they want. If that is what he believes, he hasn't followed the cases of all the false charges brought against professional athletes by women who wanted to extort money from them and would lie out their asses to get it. He also doesn' know many men who lost custody or visitation rights with their children due to the lies told by the child's mother. I know some women who got custody of kids that should not be allowed around kids, let alone have custody of them. I think Osuna was the victim of such an extortion attempt. My point is that I don't know because either situation or even different perspectives could be the issue. But I do not believe in acting on accusations only. The only exception being those arrested and given due process in coordination with equal pursuit and prosecution of knowingly false charges. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2019 14:36:06 GMT -6
Why do you believe he did it? Why else would our own FO say stuff like "we feel he deserves a second chance"? If he was innocent, why wouldn't they say something like "after looking at everything, it's clear to us that he didn't do anything wrong, and we feel he can be an integral part of our team"? Why would they talk to our veterans and see if they were okay with it? Why would he be totally okay with taking a 75-game suspension? If you didn't do something, you say you didn't do it. You don't play word games. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 22, 2019 14:38:35 GMT -6
just to give voodoo a little credit, he wanted Anthony Rendon way, way back in the day. Especially when he was cheap and under club control Voodoo has advocated trading for 90% of the players in pro ball at one time or another. He’s bound to get one right from time to time. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 22, 2019 15:01:26 GMT -6
Why do you believe he did it? Why else would our own FO say stuff like "we feel he deserves a second chance"? If he was innocent, why wouldn't they say something like "after looking at everything, it's clear to us that he didn't do anything wrong, and we feel he can be an integral part of our team"? Why would they talk to our veterans and see if they were okay with it? Why would he be totally okay with taking a 75-game suspension? If you didn't do something, you say you didn't do it. You don't play word games. 1. They could have said he deserved a second chance because he was being crucified in the media without any constructive evidence being presented. 2. They talked to our veterans because they have heard all about the Osuna case in the media and some like Verlander had strong convictions regarding domestic abuse. Verlander seems to have accepted his presence and appreciates his contributions to team success. 3. He could have been OK with the 75 game suspension to keep from dragging the mess out so he could get it over with and go on with his career which he seems to be doing rather nicely as the Astros closer. 4. Did anyone ever hear him say he did it? Do we know that he never denied doing it? If he did it, why did the victim not persist with the allegations? |
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Post by marshall on Oct 22, 2019 15:29:32 GMT -6
Why else would our own FO say stuff like "we feel he deserves a second chance"? If he was innocent, why wouldn't they say something like "after looking at everything, it's clear to us that he didn't do anything wrong, and we feel he can be an integral part of our team"? Why would they talk to our veterans and see if they were okay with it? Why would he be totally okay with taking a 75-game suspension? If you didn't do something, you say you didn't do it. You don't play word games. 1. They could have said he deserved a second chance because he was being crucified in the media without any constructive evidence being presented. 2. They talked to our veterans because they have heard all about the Osuna case in the media and some like Verlander had strong convictions regarding domestic abuse. Verlander seems to have accepted his presence and appreciates his contributions to team success. 3. He could have been OK with the 75 game suspension to keep from dragging the mess out so he could get it over with and go on with his career which he seems to be doing rather nicely as the Astros closer. 4. Did anyone ever hear him say he did it? Do we know that he never denied doing it? If he did it, why did the victim not persist with the allegations? You hit the nail on the head.
I once accepted deferred adjudication because the fight would harm my family more than the piece of cake probation. I know the prosecutors see no difference between a guilty plea and a no contest plea, but I did. I reported the crime for which I was accused. The company used it to avoid accepting responsibility for environmental violations they had committed (pouring half a truck of milk down the drain, something they had been warned not to do again twice).
I trusted our justice system before that, but never again.
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Post by batman007 on Oct 22, 2019 15:45:07 GMT -6
Why else would our own FO say stuff like "we feel he deserves a second chance"? If he was innocent, why wouldn't they say something like "after looking at everything, it's clear to us that he didn't do anything wrong, and we feel he can be an integral part of our team"? Why would they talk to our veterans and see if they were okay with it? Why would he be totally okay with taking a 75-game suspension? If you didn't do something, you say you didn't do it. You don't play word games. 1. They could have said he deserved a second chance because he was being crucified in the media without any constructive evidence being presented. 2. They talked to our veterans because they have heard all about the Osuna case in the media and some like Verlander had strong convictions regarding domestic abuse. Verlander seems to have accepted his presence and appreciates his contributions to team success. 3. He could have been OK with the 75 game suspension to keep from dragging the mess out so he could get it over with and go on with his career which he seems to be doing rather nicely as the Astros closer. 4. Did anyone ever hear him say he did it? Do we know that he never denied doing it? If he did it, why did the victim not persist with the allegations? Damnit. This is one of the few times I agree with Coach. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 22, 2019 15:49:42 GMT -6
1. They could have said he deserved a second chance because he was being crucified in the media without any constructive evidence being presented. 2. They talked to our veterans because they have heard all about the Osuna case in the media and some like Verlander had strong convictions regarding domestic abuse. Verlander seems to have accepted his presence and appreciates his contributions to team success. 3. He could have been OK with the 75 game suspension to keep from dragging the mess out so he could get it over with and go on with his career which he seems to be doing rather nicely as the Astros closer. 4. Did anyone ever hear him say he did it? Do we know that he never denied doing it? If he did it, why did the victim not persist with the allegations? Damnit. This is one of the few times I agree with Coach. It's about time you woke up.  |
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Post by Saint on Oct 22, 2019 15:52:56 GMT -6
1. They could have said he deserved a second chance because he was being crucified in the media without any constructive evidence being presented. 2. They talked to our veterans because they have heard all about the Osuna case in the media and some like Verlander had strong convictions regarding domestic abuse. Verlander seems to have accepted his presence and appreciates his contributions to team success. 3. He could have been OK with the 75 game suspension to keep from dragging the mess out so he could get it over with and go on with his career which he seems to be doing rather nicely as the Astros closer. 4. Did anyone ever hear him say he did it? Do we know that he never denied doing it? If he did it, why did the victim not persist with the allegations? Damnit. This is one of the few times I agree with Coach. I could take the time to go over all of these points, but it's just not worth it. It doesn't matter what I think. I wouldn't have traded for him and his baggage. But he's here and I want the Astros to win. |
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Post by batman007 on Oct 22, 2019 15:58:56 GMT -6
Damnit. This is one of the few times I agree with Coach. It's about time you woke up. I’m so woke |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 22, 2019 16:05:14 GMT -6
In this day and Age, you have to believe everything a Liberal Woman says unlike Conservative Women
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Post by sempersmom on Oct 22, 2019 16:15:39 GMT -6
In this day and Age, you have to believe everything a Liberal Woman says unlike Conservative Women Don't you know conservative women don't think for themselves? Hillary said our husbands tell us what to do, how to think, who to vote for. (ha ha ha). Little do those liberal women know. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 16:28:02 GMT -6
just to give voodoo a little credit, he wanted Anthony Rendon way, way back in the day. Especially when he was cheap and under club control Voodoo has advocated trading for 90% of the players in pro ball at one time or another. He’s bound to get one right from time to time. I'm saying it now, I'm really hoping the Astros trade to get the #4 pick in the 2023 draft (after the draft). I have a feeling he will be a good one |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 22, 2019 16:28:37 GMT -6
In this day and Age, you have to believe everything a Liberal Woman says unlike Conservative Women Don't you know conservative women don't think for themselves? Hillary said our husbands tell us what to do, how to think, who to vote for. (ha ha ha). Little do those liberal women know. What you don't vote for Who your Husbands. The Shame then again you're both probably on the same Wave Length anyway. It's the Liberal Women who have allow themselves to be told how to vote and follow. God Forbid they step outside the boundaries of any of the People they know. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 22, 2019 16:31:23 GMT -6
Y'all be kind...@jayfree5 is one of those women you're talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 16:36:14 GMT -6
Y'all be kind...@jayfree5 is one of those women you're talking about.  |
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Post by batman007 on Oct 22, 2019 17:38:15 GMT -6
Y'all be kind...@jayfree5 is one of those women you're talking about. Stop the personal attacks |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 6:21:32 GMT -6
Lead Op-Ed headline at the Boston Herald today.....
MLB should suspend Astros’ Brandon Taubman to save the World Series
SJW Melodrama on an.epic scale.
Perp's name is Jason Mastrodonato. Wish that pu$$y would come here and spout shit like that.
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