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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 29, 2020 11:09:15 GMT -6
hinch allowed Bregman's antics to get out of control and was scared to deal with Correa's "issues" when he knew Correa had to be lying about how he fractured a rib. Hinch also allowed Altuve to make base running gaffes repeatedly and never stopped him. I don’t think Baker will let Altuve run amuck to the detriment of the team. The amount of times Altuve was allowed to run with reckless abandon while Straw parked himself at first base was ridiculous in amount. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 29, 2020 11:18:39 GMT -6
Hinch also allowed Altuve to make base running gaffes repeatedly and never stopped him. I don’t think Baker will let Altuve run amuck to the detriment of the team. The amount of times Altuve was allowed to run with reckless abandon while Straw parked himself at first base was ridiculous in amount. I agree....wasn't there one game, where the Astros were down one run late in the game...Straw, maybe the fastest player in baseball, lead off the inning and got on base....And that is where he stayed... Hinch had his moments, 2017 Game 7 going with Morton to finish the game....but he had some downright clueless ones... Luhnow will be greatly missed...Hinch, not nearly as much... |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 29, 2020 11:22:03 GMT -6
Hinch also allowed Altuve to make base running gaffes repeatedly and never stopped him. I don’t think Baker will let Altuve run amuck to the detriment of the team. The amount of times Altuve was allowed to run with reckless abandon while Straw parked himself at first base was ridiculous in amount. The difference was Jose had a green light, and was on his own. AJ mentioned it in some of his post game interviews. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 29, 2020 11:48:20 GMT -6
Hinch was the boringest interviewee in the history of baseball. I'd rather watcha Biggio interview after a feckless effort in a losing game.
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Post by Saint on Jan 29, 2020 12:17:17 GMT -6
Hinch was the boringest interviewee in the history of baseball. I'd rather watcha Biggio interview after a feckless effort in a losing game. Really? I thought Hinch was a pretty good interviewee. I don't want our manager to be a future Tank McNamara cartoon out there. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 29, 2020 12:25:46 GMT -6
Hinch was the boringest interviewee in the history of baseball. I'd rather watcha Biggio interview after a feckless effort in a losing game. Really? I thought Hinch was a pretty good interviewee. I don't want our manager to be a future Tank McNamara cartoon out there. Yes. Really. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 29, 2020 12:48:13 GMT -6
I am excited to have Baker. Maybe we can play some "small ball" every now and then.
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 29, 2020 12:58:16 GMT -6
I am excited to have Baker. Maybe we can play some "small ball" every now and then. The knock against Baker is he has inherited teams where he has gotten the reins with good talent and in some way or some how screwed it from making it to the top. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 29, 2020 13:01:01 GMT -6
I am excited to have Baker. Maybe we can play some "small ball" every now and then. The knock against Baker is he has inherited teams where he has gotten the reins with good talent and in some way or some how screwed it from making it to the top. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 29, 2020 13:24:59 GMT -6
I am excited to have Baker. Maybe we can play some "small ball" every now and then. The knock against Baker is he has inherited teams where he has gotten the reins with good talent and in some way or some how screwed it from making it to the top. In Baker’s defense, Alex Gonzalez booted a tailor-made double play grounder. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 29, 2020 13:32:50 GMT -6
The knock against Baker is he has inherited teams where he has gotten the reins with good talent and in some way or some how screwed it from making it to the top. In Baker’s defense, Alex Gonzalez booted a tailor-made double play grounder. Off the top of my head where he is considered of riding a pitcher to the end, the playoff of pulling Max in the playoffs against the Cubs in Wrigley, then pulling Max in a game at DC. It is easy to look at hindsight, but he looked lost in both key games. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 29, 2020 15:27:21 GMT -6
The amount of times Altuve was allowed to run with reckless abandon while Straw parked himself at first base was ridiculous in amount. I agree....wasn't there one game, where the Astros were down one run late in the game...Straw, maybe the fastest player in baseball, lead off the inning and got on base....And that is where he stayed... Hinch had his moments, 2017 Game 7 going with Morton to finish the game....but he had some downright clueless ones... Luhnow will be greatly missed...Hinch, not nearly as much... No doubt Luhnow turned this organization around, but he made some bonehead moves too. Releasing JD Martinez. Trading 4 prospects, including Brett Phillips and Josh Hader, the very best left handed pitcher we had on the farm, for Fiers and Gumpez. Trading Phillips would not have been so bad had it not been for the fact that only days earlier he rejected a deal with the Padres for Kimbrel because the Padres insisted that Phillips be included in the deal. I can’t help but wonder what might have been if we had Kimbrel to throw at KC in the playoff series against the Royals in 2015. Determining that Ramon Laureano was not worthy of a spot on the 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft (he did; however, leave AJ Reed on the 40-man roster) and trading him to the A’s for Brandon Bailey who in turn was not protected from the Rule 5 draft and is now with the Orioles. Luhnow was not perfect. |
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Post by sempersmom on Jan 29, 2020 15:38:25 GMT -6
I agree....wasn't there one game, where the Astros were down one run late in the game...Straw, maybe the fastest player in baseball, lead off the inning and got on base....And that is where he stayed... Hinch had his moments, 2017 Game 7 going with Morton to finish the game....but he had some downright clueless ones... Luhnow will be greatly missed...Hinch, not nearly as much... No doubt Luhnow turned this organization around, but he made some bonehead moves too. Releasing JD Martinez. Trading 4 prospects, including Brett Phillips and Josh Hader, the very best left handed pitcher we had on the farm, for Fiers and Gumpez. Trading Phillips would not have been so bad had it not been for the fact that only days earlier he rejected a deal with the Padres for Kimbrel because the Padres insisted that Phillips be included in the deal. I can’t help but wonder what might have been if we had Kimbrel to throw at KC in the playoff series against the Royals in 2015. Determining that Ramon Laureano was not worthy of a spot on the 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft (he did; however, leave AJ Reed on the 40-man roster) and trading him to the A’s for Brandon Bailey who in turn was not protected from the Rule 5 draft and is now with the Orioles. Luhnow was not perfect. It's always 20-20 hindsight. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 29, 2020 15:42:56 GMT -6
I agree....wasn't there one game, where the Astros were down one run late in the game...Straw, maybe the fastest player in baseball, lead off the inning and got on base....And that is where he stayed... Hinch had his moments, 2017 Game 7 going with Morton to finish the game....but he had some downright clueless ones... Luhnow will be greatly missed...Hinch, not nearly as much... No doubt Luhnow turned this organization around, but he made some bonehead moves too. Releasing JD Martinez. Trading 4 prospects, including Brett Phillips and Josh Hader, the very best left handed pitcher we had on the farm, for Fiers and Gumpez. Trading Phillips would not have been so bad had it not been for the fact that only days earlier he rejected a deal with the Padres for Kimbrel because the Padres insisted that Phillips be included in the deal. I can’t help but wonder what might have been if we had Kimbrel to throw at KC in the playoff series against the Royals in 2015. Determining that Ramon Laureano was not worthy of a spot on the 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft (he did; however, leave AJ Reed on the 40-man roster) and trading him to the A’s for Brandon Bailey who in turn was not protected from the Rule 5 draft and is now with the Orioles. Luhnow was not perfect. Brett Phillips is a good example on not putting a prospect on the top of the pedestal. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 29, 2020 15:48:48 GMT -6
No doubt Luhnow turned this organization around, but he made some bonehead moves too. Releasing JD Martinez. Trading 4 prospects, including Brett Phillips and Josh Hader, the very best left handed pitcher we had on the farm, for Fiers and Gumpez. Trading Phillips would not have been so bad had it not been for the fact that only days earlier he rejected a deal with the Padres for Kimbrel because the Padres insisted that Phillips be included in the deal. I can’t help but wonder what might have been if we had Kimbrel to throw at KC in the playoff series against the Royals in 2015. Determining that Ramon Laureano was not worthy of a spot on the 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft (he did; however, leave AJ Reed on the 40-man roster) and trading him to the A’s for Brandon Bailey who in turn was not protected from the Rule 5 draft and is now with the Orioles. Luhnow was not perfect. It's always 20-20 hindsight. A stitch in time saves nine. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 29, 2020 16:07:36 GMT -6
The Fiers-Gomez deal was the main flaw in Luhnow's tenure. But, Fiers did carry the load of the rotation (along with Peacock) for a good chunk of time in 2017 (June & July especially) so it wasn't a total loss. Sure would have been nice to have Hader in the bullpen the last couple years though...
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 29, 2020 16:12:28 GMT -6
The Fiers-Gomez deal was the main flaw in Luhnow's tenure. But, Fiers did carry the load of the rotation (along with Peacock) for a good chunk of time in 2017 (June & July especially) so it wasn't a total loss. Sure would have been nice to have Hader in the bullpen the last couple years though... All the years they wasted on Marisnick when they once had Laureano was pretty bad too. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 29, 2020 16:21:30 GMT -6
The Fiers-Gomez deal was the main flaw in Luhnow's tenure. But, Fiers did carry the load of the rotation (along with Peacock) for a good chunk of time in 2017 (June & July especially) so it wasn't a total loss. Sure would have been nice to have Hader in the bullpen the last couple years though... All the years they wasted on Marisnick when they once had Laureano was pretty bad too. Some players hang around on their personality and club house built presence, and Jake milked it to the hilt. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 29, 2020 16:29:23 GMT -6
All the years they wasted on Marisnick when they once had Laureano was pretty bad too. Some players hang around on their personality and club house built presence, and Jake milked it to the hilt. He ended up being better than Jake in everything except defense, but he made up for that with arguably the best arm in baseball. It’s one thing I could never figure out about this team. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 29, 2020 16:34:31 GMT -6
Some players hang around on their personality and club house built presence, and Jake milked it to the hilt. He ended up being better than Jake in everything except defense, but he made up for that with arguably the best arm in baseball. It’s one thing I could never figure out about this team. Jake can run down and shag a ball with the best of them. I haven't watched Laureano that much defensively, but most of his high lights I have seen are his arm gunning out runners that are ridiculous. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 29, 2020 16:35:31 GMT -6
The Fiers-Gomez deal was the main flaw in Luhnow's tenure. But, Fiers did carry the load of the rotation (along with Peacock) for a good chunk of time in 2017 (June & July especially) so it wasn't a total loss. Sure would have been nice to have Hader in the bullpen the last couple years though... All the years they wasted on Marisnick when they once had Laureano was pretty bad too. That's a pretty good point, but if you look at his production with us in the minors, he hadn't been that strong of a performer offensively. In fact his .800 OPS in the minors was almost identical to Jake's .797. And his OPS took a huge spike up when he got to Oakland's farm system or else it would have been even lower. Not that OPS is everything, but I can see how they might not of thought super highly of Laureano. It's another good case of our franchise not being as strong at developing offensive production over the last several years. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 29, 2020 16:57:39 GMT -6
All the years they wasted on Marisnick when they once had Laureano was pretty bad too. That's a pretty good point, but if you look at his production with us in the minors, he hadn't been that strong of a performer offensively. In fact his .800 OPS in the minors was almost identical to Jake's .797. And his OPS took a huge spike up when he got to Oakland's farm system or else it would have been even lower. Not that OPS is everything, but I can see how they might not of thought super highly of Laureano. It's another good case of our franchise not being as strong at developing offensive production over the last several years. Yeah, but it doesn’t explain Jake’s lock on a roster spot when he was hardly a reliable offensive producer. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 29, 2020 17:02:40 GMT -6
That's a pretty good point, but if you look at his production with us in the minors, he hadn't been that strong of a performer offensively. In fact his .800 OPS in the minors was almost identical to Jake's .797. And his OPS took a huge spike up when he got to Oakland's farm system or else it would have been even lower. Not that OPS is everything, but I can see how they might not of thought super highly of Laureano. It's another good case of our franchise not being as strong at developing offensive production over the last several years. Yeah, but it doesn’t explain Jake’s lock on a roster spot when he was hardly a reliable offensive producer. Well in regards to Laureano, why would they replace Jake with Laureano when they knew what they had with Jake and didn't know if they would get the same from Laureano. But yeah, Jake's value was limited at best after 2017. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 29, 2020 18:11:25 GMT -6
Yeah, but it doesn’t explain Jake’s lock on a roster spot when he was hardly a reliable offensive producer. Well in regards to Laureano, why would they replace Jake with Laureano when they knew what they had with Jake and didn't know if they would get the same from Laureano. But yeah, Jake's value was limited at best after 2017. Laureano was different from Martinez. He barely had big league experience, and his competition was Marisnick, who was already established as a mediocre performer. For crying out loud, Sparky said Jake couldn’t catch up to a fastball. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 30, 2020 5:04:58 GMT -6
Baker is about to be 71....Verlander, Greinke, Correa, McCullers will all be FAs after 2021 season...Do you realistically see Baker being the manager for 2022 season? FTR -I know week ago, I had Baker as one of the worst choices...But given the Astros current situation, I think Baker is the best hire.... Could this possibly be a simple ploy to play out this season and return Hinch and Luhnow to their roles next season? |
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Post by Saint on Jan 30, 2020 6:55:23 GMT -6
Baker is about to be 71....Verlander, Greinke, Correa, McCullers will all be FAs after 2021 season...Do you realistically see Baker being the manager for 2022 season? FTR -I know week ago, I had Baker as one of the worst choices...But given the Astros current situation, I think Baker is the best hire.... Could this possibly be a simple ploy to play out this season and return Hinch and Luhnow to their roles next season? To what benefit? |
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Post by m240 on Jan 30, 2020 7:39:33 GMT -6
Given that Baker just got a one year deal with an option and Rspada is staying as bench coach it probably Means Espada is being groomed to replace Baker but needs someone to fly cover during the shot storm
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 8:55:43 GMT -6
Given that Baker just got a one year deal with an option and Rspada is staying as bench coach it probably Means Espada is being groomed to replace Baker but needs someone to fly cover during the shot storm Ding ding ding. I think that is exactly the scenario that is playing out. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 30, 2020 9:06:37 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 30, 2020 10:05:26 GMT -6
I agree....wasn't there one game, where the Astros were down one run late in the game...Straw, maybe the fastest player in baseball, lead off the inning and got on base....And that is where he stayed... Hinch had his moments, 2017 Game 7 going with Morton to finish the game....but he had some downright clueless ones... Luhnow will be greatly missed...Hinch, not nearly as much... No doubt Luhnow turned this organization around, but he made some bonehead moves too. Releasing JD Martinez. Trading 4 prospects, including Brett Phillips and Josh Hader, the very best left handed pitcher we had on the farm, for Fiers and Gumpez. Trading Phillips would not have been so bad had it not been for the fact that only days earlier he rejected a deal with the Padres for Kimbrel because the Padres insisted that Phillips be included in the deal. I can’t help but wonder what might have been if we had Kimbrel to throw at KC in the playoff series against the Royals in 2015. Determining that Ramon Laureano was not worthy of a spot on the 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft (he did; however, leave AJ Reed on the 40-man roster) and trading him to the A’s for Brandon Bailey who in turn was not protected from the Rule 5 draft and is now with the Orioles. Luhnow was not perfect. Luhnow"s constant sitting on his ass and playing the waiting game is what I disliked nearly as much as some of the asinine trades he made with the worst being to deal Hader for Fiers and Gomez. Their decision to let Morton walk is still a boneead move in my opinion. Had we signed him, dealing those good prospects for Greinke would not have been necessary. His deals for Verlander and Cole could be said to make up for bonehead moves. We would not have won the 2017 WS without Verlander. Signing Brzntley was a great move. We also have to give him credit for stealing Yordan from the Dodgers for Josh Fields. I am not the least bit upset that Hinch is gone. I will always say he blew the 2019 WS by pulling Greinke, who was pitcbing a masterpiece, and bringing in Harris while Cole was ready in the bullpen. |
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