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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 13, 2019 10:35:07 GMT -6
What goal do the Cubs have? Are they more forward-looking and they want prospects in return? (Javier Báez still has two more years under team control.) Or are they looking to move Báez from SS to a different position? If this is a 'right-now' move, the Astros probably wouldn't need to include much with Correa to get Contreras. Correa only has two more years of team control and Contreras has three. But I think a year of Correa might have a bit more value than a year of Contreras. IIRC Baez played more 2B than SS until Russell got in trouble. I don’t recall where I found the article that I read, but I read somewhere that the Cubs wanted to “shake things up” a bit. One of the options mentioned was to acquire a SS and move Baez to 2B. Another option was to trade Contreras. If they really want to “shake things up,” they could always send Bryant to Houston for Correa 🙂. We could throw in Toro to play third base for them....and a minor league second baseman to play 2B for the half season that Baez will have to play SS while Correa is on his annual sabbatical. You're getting quite creative, Pops. 
I think your first idea, Correa for Contreras, makes a lot of sense on both sides.
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 12:36:25 GMT -6
Jake has never sniffed the on-base skills that Straw has demonstrated so far. There is no comparison. What did you sniff before making that post? Straw has more speed than Jake and that is it.......He hasn't proven to be a more intelligent base runner...they are about equal in that department. Straw has not proven he can get on base more than Jake, and, he certainly hasn't proven he has the defensive skills that Jake has and Jake obviously has the advantage in experience. Straw is good young player with raw talent that needs to be developed. But, for you to say t hat Jake "has never sniffed" Straws on-base skills is absurd. No, speed is not "it". He gets on base a ton more than Jake. A lot more. Straw OBP: .380 (elite) Jake OBP: .280 (far below average. Far.) That's a 10% difference. That's extreme. As far as intelligent baserunning: Straw SB success rate: 91% (elite) Jake SB success rate: 73% (average) Now Jake is still a good defensive OFer, but is he THAT much better than Straw? No. The only legitimate downside with Straw so far is his complete lack of power. That's it. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 12:38:11 GMT -6
If we didn't have a good replacement for Correa and/or an obvious hole to fill, I wouldn't want to trade Correa. But, both of those exist.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 13, 2019 12:43:10 GMT -6
What did you sniff before making that post? Straw has more speed than Jake and that is it.......He hasn't proven to be a more intelligent base runner...they are about equal in that department. Straw has not proven he can get on base more than Jake, and, he certainly hasn't proven he has the defensive skills that Jake has and Jake obviously has the advantage in experience. Straw is good young player with raw talent that needs to be developed. But, for you to say t hat Jake "has never sniffed" Straws on-base skills is absurd. No, speed is not "it". He gets on base a ton more than Jake. A lot more. Straw OBP: .380 (elite) Jake OBP: .280 (far below average. Far.) That's a 10% difference. That's extreme. As far as intelligent baserunning: Straw SB success rate: 91% (elite) Jake SB success rate: 73% (average) Now Jake is still a good defensive OFer, but is he THAT much better than Straw? No. The only legitimate downside with Straw so far is his complete lack of power. That's it. When Straw gets his playing time, I am confident he will show equally or better OF defensive ability as Marisnick.. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 13, 2019 12:53:23 GMT -6
No, speed is not "it". He gets on base a ton more than Jake. A lot more. Straw OBP: .380 (elite) Jake OBP: .280 (far below average. Far.) That's a 10% difference. That's extreme. As far as intelligent baserunning: Straw SB success rate: 91% (elite) Jake SB success rate: 73% (average) Now Jake is still a good defensive OFer, but is he THAT much better than Straw? No. The only legitimate downside with Straw so far is his complete lack of power. That's it. When Straw gets his playing time, I am confident he will show equally or better OF defensive ability as Marisnick.. I agree. He has made some elite level plays in the outfield already plus he shown that can play 2B and SS as well. He had never played in the infield in his pro career before he was asked to last season at AAA. He played well enough on the infield that Hinch used him some at the ML level during the season. With more work and experience I think he will prove to be a capable glove man on the infield. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 12:57:19 GMT -6
No, speed is not "it". He gets on base a ton more than Jake. A lot more. Straw OBP: .380 (elite) Jake OBP: .280 (far below average. Far.) That's a 10% difference. That's extreme. As far as intelligent baserunning: Straw SB success rate: 91% (elite) Jake SB success rate: 73% (average) Now Jake is still a good defensive OFer, but is he THAT much better than Straw? No. The only legitimate downside with Straw so far is his complete lack of power. That's it. When Straw gets his playing time, I am confident he will show equally or better OF defensive ability as Marisnick.. I agree but I'm just going by what we know for sure so far. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 13, 2019 13:00:06 GMT -6
When Straw gets his playing time, I am confident he will show equally or better OF defensive ability as Marisnick.. I agree. He has made some elite level plays in the outfield already plus he shown that can play 2B and SS as well. He had never played in the infield in his pro career before he was asked to last season at AAA. He played well enough on the infield that Hinch used him some at the ML level during the season. With more work and experience I think he will prove to be a capable glove man on the infield. The versatility is the edge. People can crown Jake as the defensive specialist on the team, but he can’t play infield. Straw is like Marwin with the tradeoff of speed for power. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 13, 2019 13:11:17 GMT -6
If Straw starts hitting then Díaz becomes a bit superfluous.
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 13:12:50 GMT -6
I wouldn't give up Diaz.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 13, 2019 13:20:37 GMT -6
If Straw starts hitting then Díaz becomes a bit superfluous. Not so much. It's a great advantage to be able to move the pieces around. I think Jork is the one who becomes superflous. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 13, 2019 13:20:43 GMT -6
I agree. He has made some elite level plays in the outfield already plus he shown that can play 2B and SS as well. He had never played in the infield in his pro career before he was asked to last season at AAA. He played well enough on the infield that Hinch used him some at the ML level during the season. With more work and experience I think he will prove to be a capable glove man on the infield. The versatility is the edge. People can crown Jake as the defensive specialist on the team, but he can’t play infield. Straw is like Marwin with the tradeoff of speed for power. Jake's entire reputation is based on 3 or 4 circus catches per season. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 13:23:11 GMT -6
Jake had a breakthrough 2017 before his injury but never found "it" again. He should be toast.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Nov 13, 2019 13:26:42 GMT -6
Jake had a breakthrough 2017 before his injury but never found "it" again. He should be toast. He still has value. But he's expendable. I could see him being tendered a contract, then included in a trade. JMO. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 13:30:22 GMT -6
Jake had a breakthrough 2017 before his injury but never found "it" again. He should be toast. He still has value. But he's expendable. I could see him being tendered a contract, then included in a trade. JMO. Sure, he has value to plenty of teams. But not for more than $1.5-2 million a season. We don't need him, and we'll need all the money we can get if we're going to try and make some runs at some free agents. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 13, 2019 13:35:23 GMT -6
If Straw starts hitting then Díaz becomes a bit superfluous. I agree. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 13:37:05 GMT -6
Diaz can play plenty of positions as well, and is solid or better with the bat. He should be a keeper until he gets expensive.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 13, 2019 14:33:02 GMT -6
If we didn't have a good replacement for Correa and/or an obvious hole to fill, I wouldn't want to trade Correa. But, both of those exist. We need to move Correa in order to spare the team from wondering when his next "issue" will arrive that will lead to a 4-6 week vacation while other player have to pick up the slack. We can move Bregman to SS. if necessary. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 13, 2019 14:36:47 GMT -6
I agree. He has made some elite level plays in the outfield already plus he shown that can play 2B and SS as well. He had never played in the infield in his pro career before he was asked to last season at AAA. He played well enough on the infield that Hinch used him some at the ML level during the season. With more work and experience I think he will prove to be a capable glove man on the infield. The versatility is the edge. People can crown Jake as the defensive specialist on the team, but he can’t play infield. Straw is like Marwin with the tradeoff of speed for power. Straw has not had enough time in the infield to know what kind of job he can do. He was more or less put there last year out of necessity when both Correa and Diaz were out. When Diaz was playing 2B regularly while Altuve was hurt. he was hitting because he had regular at bats and did the job defensively. I don't think we need to cast him to the side to play Straw in the infield. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 13, 2019 14:43:24 GMT -6
Jake had a breakthrough 2017 before his injury but never found "it" again. He should be toast. Interesting.............If Jake is toast then the guy you thought we had to have.....Tyler White.......was burnt to a crisp.  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 13, 2019 14:45:50 GMT -6
Teams in the NL West won't have to worry about the Giants for awhile....they replaced one of the best managers in baseball with Gape Kapler. LOL LOL That is like trading in a Mercedes for a used Volkswagon.
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 15:24:53 GMT -6
Jake had a breakthrough 2017 before his injury but never found "it" again. He should be toast. Interesting.............If Jake is toast then the guy you thought we had to have.....Tyler White.......was burnt to a crisp. White is gone, son. Just like Jake should/will be. It's time to move on. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 13, 2019 15:32:02 GMT -6
Interesting.............If Jake is toast then the guy you thought we had to have.....Tyler White.......was burnt to a crisp. White is gone, son. Just like Jake should/will be. It's time to move on. Did you see the article where the Dodgers and White are claiming that White became a blimp due to some medical issue which the Astros never addressed? They posted a picture of him showing him when he was a fat Astro and now he's all slim and svelte. I can't remember if it was discussed here. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 15:34:38 GMT -6
White is gone, son. Just like Jake should/will be. It's time to move on. Did you see the article where the Dodgers and White are claiming that White became a blimp due to some medical issue which the Astros never addressed? They posted a picture of him showing him when he was a fat Astro and now he's all slim and svelte. I can't remember if it was discussed here. I saw it on Facebook. Ridiculous. It's not the team's responsibility for making a fat guy get skinny. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 15:36:54 GMT -6
But, if any team can turn around a stocky bearded hitter, it's the Dodgers lately. Just look at what they've done with Muncy and Turner.
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 13, 2019 15:41:22 GMT -6
Did you see the article where the Dodgers and White are claiming that White became a blimp due to some medical issue which the Astros never addressed? They posted a picture of him showing him when he was a fat Astro and now he's all slim and svelte. I can't remember if it was discussed here. I saw it on Facebook. Ridiculous. It's not the team's responsibility for making a fat guy get skinny. I don't care how much he weighs. Can he hit? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 13, 2019 15:41:42 GMT -6
Interesting.............If Jake is toast then the guy you thought we had to have.....Tyler White.......was burnt to a crisp. White is gone, son. Just like Jake should/will be. It's time to move on. I am not opposed to moving Jake, junior........Just as soon as we have someone who can prove he is better........Straw might be able to do it, but, he hasn't yet. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 15:42:17 GMT -6
I saw it on Facebook. Ridiculous. It's not the team's responsibility for making a fat guy get skinny. I don't care how much he weighs. Can he hit? He couldn't this year. Maybe now that he's a supermodel he'll be better? |
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2019 15:43:08 GMT -6
White is gone, son. Just like Jake should/will be. It's time to move on. I am not opposed to moving Jake, junior........Just as soon as we have someone who can prove he is better........Straw might be able to do it, but, he hasn't yet. Straw is better. If you factor all things including cost, upside, and club control, Straw is considerably better. |
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Post by sempersmom on Nov 13, 2019 15:43:36 GMT -6
So his ability to see the ball got better when he lost weight? LOL!
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 13, 2019 15:44:02 GMT -6
White is gone, son. Just like Jake should/will be. It's time to move on. Did you see the article where the Dodgers and White are claiming that White became a blimp due to some medical issue which the Astros never addressed? They posted a picture of him showing him when he was a fat Astro and now he's all slim and svelte. I can't remember if it was discussed here. That lard ass had a medical issue created by his inability to know when to stop eating.. Maybe the Dodgers made him go on a diet and conditioning program to keep from having to release him. |
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