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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2019 10:01:18 GMT -6
Name a number 1 you'd put ahead of Verlander (and consider what he did this season...low, low ERA, 300 SO, a no hitter, likely CYA (2nd place, at worst), and on and on.) You're crazy if you really think JV is number 2 to anyone. You're letting his couple of bad starts at the end of a long season color your opinion because your feelings are hurt. Cole, Scherzer, and Strasburg to name a couple. I don’t say Verlander is more of a #2 now because I don’t like him or am mad. I just think he’s a little long in the tooth. Speaking of Cole, I don’t like his snippy remarks after the game. He can go. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2019 10:05:05 GMT -6
Cole was never going to stay. Some of us said that from the beginning. He's going to get a huge payday back playing closer to home. He did well for us and I wish him the best. Hopefully he doesn't move to an AL west team where we have to face him multiple times. He didn’t have to be a dick about it, though. I think he’s pretty pissed about Game 7 and being passed up in favor of Harris. When was he dick? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2019 10:06:56 GMT -6
He didn’t have to be a dick about it, though. I think he’s pretty pissed about Game 7 and being passed up in favor of Harris. When was he dick? Changing immediately into a Boras hat and saying he’s no longer an employee of the Astros. No shit, you’re a free agent. Part of it is understandable watching Harris shit away a championship but the rest is like okay I get it, Cole. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2019 10:11:39 GMT -6
Changing immediately into a Boras hat and saying he’s no longer an employee of the Astros. No shit, you’re a free agent. Part of it is understandable watching Harris shit away a championship but the rest is like okay I get it, Cole. Eh, I think you're taking it too personally. He was pretty complimentary of the clubhouse, coaches, and Hinch. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 31, 2019 10:18:35 GMT -6
Name a number 1 you'd put ahead of Verlander (and consider what he did this season...low, low ERA, 300 SO, a no hitter, likely CYA (2nd place, at worst), and on and on.) You're crazy if you really think JV is number 2 to anyone. You're letting his couple of bad starts at the end of a long season color your opinion because your feelings are hurt. Cole, Scherzer, and Strasburg to name a couple. I don’t say Verlander is more of a #2 now because I don’t like him or am mad. I just think he’s a little long in the tooth. Ridiculous. he was dominant nearly the entire year. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 31, 2019 10:23:47 GMT -6
They just need to ease up on him late in the year. And Greinke next year too. Homefield advantage (as finally proven) doesn't matter as much as health.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 31, 2019 10:38:47 GMT -6
Time to do some retooling. If Tucker and Straw are not ready for the big show now, they never will be. The same can be said about Stubbs. There is no need to waste another year of any of those guy’s pro career by having them at AAA. Luhnow needs to find a way to move Reddick this offseason. The team will have to eat some of the $13 million owed to him in 2020 and/or send some prospects along with him in order to move him. Whatever it takes, he needs to go now to make room for Tucker. Marisnick needs to go to make room for Straw. Stubbs should be given a shot at one of the catcher slots on the roster. Abraham Toro looks to be ready. He has hit well with runners in scoring position in the minor leagues. Even if he struggles a bit at first, I am confident that he can produce enough with the bat to replace the half season we would get from Correa. Carlos has two seasons left before he becomes a free agent in 2022. Luhnow should be able to get a decent return for him in a trade. Trade him, move Bregman to SS and install Toro at 3B. Bryan Abreu should make the 2020 OD roster. Whitley? Who knows? Cristian Javier, Tyler Ivey and Brandon Bielak should start the season at AAA and make their ML debut at some point during the season. I would like to see Luhnow sign Pomeranz for a LH pitcher in the bullpen. Wouldn’t mind seeing Luhnow re-sign Joe Smith and Harris. Would like to see Luhnow sign Wheeler to replace Cole. Would like to see the team put less emphasis on launch angles and more emphasis on hitting the ball where they ain’t. I like and agree with everything you said above. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 31, 2019 10:41:19 GMT -6
Should we attempt to bring Dallas back?
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 31, 2019 10:42:10 GMT -6
Should we attempt to bring Dallas back? No thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 10:42:39 GMT -6
Name a number 1 you'd put ahead of Verlander (and consider what he did this season...low, low ERA, 300 SO, a no hitter, likely CYA (2nd place, at worst), and on and on.) You're crazy if you really think JV is number 2 to anyone. You're letting his couple of bad starts at the end of a long season color your opinion because your feelings are hurt. You are correct, as it refers to the regular season. He is a No.1 Most of our concerns are whether at his age (36) is he running out of gas by Game No. 170. No knock on this future HOF'er. Just a cruel fact of grwing old. Going 0-6 in the WS defies randomness. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 31, 2019 10:42:47 GMT -6
We really need nathangarza now!
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 31, 2019 10:55:56 GMT -6
We really need nathangarza now! If this doesn't bring back Jayfree, then I don't know what will. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2019 12:51:30 GMT -6
Cole, Scherzer, and Strasburg to name a couple. I don’t say Verlander is more of a #2 now because I don’t like him or am mad. I just think he’s a little long in the tooth. Ridiculous. he was dominant nearly the entire year. Personally, I think he’s our ace. At this stage in his career, he’s an ideal #2. The fatigue he showed in the postseason was an eye-opener. He just wasn’t nearly the same pitcher as he was in the regular season. Either that or he was figured out somehow. That pitch to Soto was near his head and was launched into orbit. His breaking pitches out of the zone weren’t fooling many hitters. To me, part of being an ace is handling a ton of innings without losing much effectiveness, and he was spent in the postseason. |
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Post by talshill on Oct 31, 2019 14:08:22 GMT -6
Didn't see anything in Cole to think he acted tacky. He may have been upset that the Astros didn't try to re-up him (and maybe he has a right to be upset about that), but I knew as soon as they traded for Greinke and his $20mil plus contract that Cole was a goner. Luhnow had already decided he wouldn't get into a bidding war for him and went with a less costly option. Looking back, I really wish he had re-signed Morton. Looking forward, I think he'll pick up a FA starter (like Bumgarner) and Whitley will be here next year. Reddick, Marisnick, Chirinos, Smith, McHugh, Miley, Devenski and yes, probably Harris are gone. Plus, Felipe Paulino's 555k drops off the books as well as Singleton's money drops from 500k to 250k. In total, that's about $53 mil off the books next season.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 31, 2019 14:22:58 GMT -6
Reddick is under contract next year.
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Post by talshill on Oct 31, 2019 14:29:59 GMT -6
The money for 2020:
Verlander 33 mil
Altuve 29 mil
Greinke 24.667 mil
Springer 21.4 mil (estimated-last arb year)
Brantley 16 mil
Reddick 13 mil
Bregman 12.667 mil
Osuna 10.2 mil (estimated- 3rd arb year)
Presley 8.75 mil
Gurriel 8.4 mil
Correa 7.4 mil (estimated- 2nd arb year)
Sanchez 5.6 mil (estimated- 3rd arb year)
Peacock 4.6 mil (estimated- last arb year)
McCullers 4.1 mil (set in stone. Injured players don't get arb raises or cuts)
Diaz 2.4 mil (estimated- 1st arb year)
Biagini 1.5 mil (estimated- 1st arb year)
Singleton 250K
Benefits 15 mil
That's 16 players plus benefits locked up for next year for a total of 217.93 mil, which is about 10 mil over the cap.
Probably won't be back:
Cole Not happening
Smith 8 mil
McHugh 5.8 mil
Chirinos 5.575 mil
Miley 5.5 mil
Rondon 4.5 mil
Harris 4.225
Maldonado 2.5 mil
Devenski 2.825 mil
Marisnick 3 mil (estimated- last arb year)
Luhnow has some horse trading to do if he wants to stay under the cap, plus he has to come up with 9 players to round out the roster. You'll see a lot of call-ups next year, I'd wager.
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Post by talshill on Oct 31, 2019 14:30:36 GMT -6
Reddick is under contract next year. I know. Still don't think he'll be here next year. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 31, 2019 15:41:23 GMT -6
Reddick is under contract next year. I know. Still don't think he'll be here next year. We need to find a taker for Osuna too. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 31, 2019 15:45:22 GMT -6
They just need to ease up on him late in the year. And Greinke next year too. Homefield advantage (as finally proven) doesn't matter as much as health. I totally agree with you. Like I said in another post, I think Verlander burned himself out in September chasing after the 300 strikeouts for the season and 3,000 for the career. Lost sight of the real prize and paid a price for it in October. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2019 15:46:19 GMT -6
That is how he sounded to me.......he is gone.............forget him. He was good while he was here and I thnk he leaves with a bad taste in his mouth due to HInch not using him last. I hope the Padres sign him. There are other free agent pitchers out there.......Baumgarner, Odorizzi, etc. Strom will find someone he can make over and Luhnow will get him. I even heard it mentioned that since we won't be paying out money to Cole that we could make a run at Rendon and move Bregman to SS......I can't see that unless Rendon just wants to come home and would sign for less than he can get elsewhere. In any case, we need to move Correa....we can't take another year of his vacations. We can get some good prospects and possibly a good utility player or reliever in the deal. Trade Reddick and turn RF over to Tucker. Will they find a position for Yordan Alvarez?? If Correa is dealt, one option would be to convert Yordan into a first baseman, move Yuli to third, and Bregman at SS. We still have Diaz and I can see Toro making the team in ST. Get rid of Rondon and Devenski.....Re-sign Harris and make Smith a take-it-or-leave it offer. If he walks, don't worry about it. Abreu can fit into the pen. A pen of Harris, Abreu, Peacock, Pressly, and Osuna would be pretty good........I still see them putting McCullers in the rotation even though I think he would make a good closer. We need to find a quality lefty reliever. James has the stuff to eventually close. Don't even consider bringing Miley back......move on and find another lefty starter....one that can break a pane of glass with his fastball. Re-sign Chirinos......he earned it, Keep Stubbs as backup and let Maldonado go.....he can go sign wherever Cole lands and catch him. Urquidy should fit into the rotation behind Verlander and Greinke. I think it is likely that Whitley is in the rotation next season...Verlander, Greinke, Urquidy, Whitley, and McCullers is a good 1-5 if we don't sign a FA. To me, the top priority this winter must be to extend George Springer.........get it done!!! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2019 15:48:25 GMT -6
They just need to ease up on him late in the year. And Greinke next year too. Homefield advantage (as finally proven) doesn't matter as much as health. I totally agree with you. Like I said in another post, I think Verlander burned himself out in September chasing after the 300 strikeouts for the season and 3,000 for the career. Lost sight of the real prize and paid a price for it in October. Part of Verlander's problem was being burned out, but, most of it was being too stubborn to know he can't throw fastballs by good hitters that are looking for it. How many times did he get burned on the fastball in the post-season....that punk Soto embarrassed him. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 31, 2019 15:56:45 GMT -6
I hope folks aren't too disappointed if Reddick's on the roster next season It's gonna be hard to deal someone making 8 figures whose bat was below replacement-level the past 2 years
Only way I see it happening is if the trade partner is also looking to unload payroll, which doesn't help us
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Post by olpapa on Oct 31, 2019 16:02:08 GMT -6
Changing immediately into a Boras hat and saying he’s no longer an employee of the Astros. No shit, you’re a free agent. Part of it is understandable watching Harris shit away a championship but the rest is like okay I get it, Cole. The changing into a Boras cap and saying he is no longer an employee of the Astros was obviously something he had planned ahead of time to do. Why else would he have a Boras cap in the clubhouse to put on after the game? It was/is just his way of saying, “I’m going to the highest bidder.” |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2019 16:05:47 GMT -6
I know. Still don't think he'll be here next year. We need to find a taker for Osuna too. I never cared for him. It was a season where I tried to like him but failed. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2019 16:05:59 GMT -6
Changing immediately into a Boras hat and saying he’s no longer an employee of the Astros. No shit, you’re a free agent. Part of it is understandable watching Harris shit away a championship but the rest is like okay I get it, Cole. The changing into a Boras cap and saying he is no longer an employee of the Astros was obviously something he had planned ahead of time to do. Why else would he have a Boras cap in the clubhouse to put on after the game? It was/is just his way of saying, “I’m going to the highest bidder.” With that news.....F*ck Gerrit Cole and good riddance........I didn't know about the Boras cap.....He can shove that up his ass. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 31, 2019 16:06:42 GMT -6
Changing immediately into a Boras hat and saying he’s no longer an employee of the Astros. No shit, you’re a free agent. Part of it is understandable watching Harris shit away a championship but the rest is like okay I get it, Cole. The changing into a Boras cap and saying he is no longer an employee of the Astros was obviously something he had planned ahead of time to do. Why else would he have a Boras cap in the clubhouse to put on after the game? It was/is just his way of saying, “I’m going to the highest bidder.” Yes, it told me, “Guys, I’m fielding offers immediately.” |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 31, 2019 16:19:10 GMT -6
The changing into a Boras cap and saying he is no longer an employee of the Astros was obviously something he had planned ahead of time to do. Why else would he have a Boras cap in the clubhouse to put on after the game? It was/is just his way of saying, “I’m going to the highest bidder.” Yes, it told me, “Guys, I’m fielding offers immediately.” Screw Cole.....spend money extending Springer........I would have said to talk to Rendon's agent but I see that Boras represents him, too. We can sign a quality starter for about half what we would have had to pay Cole. |
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Post by koolade2 on Oct 31, 2019 16:32:56 GMT -6
The changing into a Boras cap and saying he is no longer an employee of the Astros was obviously something he had planned ahead of time to do. Why else would he have a Boras cap in the clubhouse to put on after the game? It was/is just his way of saying, “I’m going to the highest bidder.” Yes, it told me, “Guys, I’m fielding offers immediately.” I wonder if he would have done that if the Astros had won instead. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 31, 2019 16:48:38 GMT -6
Yes, it told me, “Guys, I’m fielding offers immediately.” Screw Cole.....spend money extending Springer........I would have said to talk to Rendon's agent but I see that Boras represents him, too. We can sign a quality starter for about half what we would have had to pay Cole. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 31, 2019 18:12:59 GMT -6
I hope folks aren't too disappointed if Reddick's on the roster next season It's gonna be hard to deal someone making 8 figures whose bat was below replacement-level the past 2 years
Only way I see it happening is if the trade partner is also looking to unload payroll, which doesn't help us
The only way I see that scenario helping us is if the trade partner has a need for an outfielder and has a player whose contract they need to unload and who plays a position where we have a need...like catcher. |
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